[quote]G.O.A.T wrote:
I think most would expect a decent sized sports guy.
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Brayshaw? That whinging little coat-tail hanger?
“Briiiian, Briiiiian, when’s he gonna snaffle the prune?”
[quote]belligerent wrote:
And he is obviously a drone since his whole identity revolved around being a Chek desciple.
What do you know of my whole identity? How can you claim to know me from a few posts? Could it possibly be that this example of gross exaggeration could have contributed to making you a grumpy, whining, hater?
I’ll never be able to consider myself an intelligent person because of it.
Here’s something we can all agree on.
Most of what Paul Chek says is sheer bullshit, and this bench press thing falls squarely under that umbrella.
Exactly what is bullshit about what I originally posted? You remember, in relation to shoulder injury? I’d love to hear your thoughts, that’s why I posted to begin with.
Benching on a swiss ball does nothing other than train you to bench on a swiss ball.
You simple-minded pleb.
And that “standing cable push” exercise that Paul uses is bordering on worthless since you can’t use enough resistance to produce an appreciable strength gain.
If you can’t stabilise yourself well enough to use enough resistance, that’s your problem, don’t blame the exercise.
The bench press has no less “functional carryover” than anything else.
Have you put any thought into the topic at all? If what you’re saying is true, we can all sit at home exercising to the tune of the internet’s finest!
WOW, you can blindly repeat everything Paul says. Forgive me for being unimpressed.
I can guarantee you’d be impressed if you understood any of it.
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[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
I am still wondering why someone with sub par pec development is not willing to try an exercise that may actually enhance his pecs.[/quote]
Although I’m not a fan of the man’s, I don’t think it’s too nice of you to point out Kratos’s lagging pec development in such a public forum.
[quote]RagingBull wrote:
“Briiiian, Briiiiian, when’s he gonna snaffle the prune?”
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He’s an arrogant little fuck but who cares? He’s not supposed to make comments on the game, but rather call the play. BT, Dermie and Lyon are there to comment on the game. IE style of play and etc.
Like Bruce used to do on CH 7.
If you keep this shit up I will start raving on about how much better a bench is than a swiss ball.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
The bench press has no less “functional carryover” than anything else. The correct strategy for athletes, therefore, is to use the bench press to develop the musculature, and then incorporate that strength into the relevant movements through practice.
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Good answer. Possibly the first thought out one by the anti Chek’s in this thread.
And then you fuck it up with a comment like this.
Chek weak? You idiot.
I agree, there are some weak practitioners but there are some even worse PT’s who throw around BB’s and DB’s.
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Paul Chek is nothing more than an evangelistic pseudo-guru and an aggressive marketer. He is a joke and a fraud and all of his “students” are unsophisticated drones who think they’re critical thinkers just because they take a position that goes against the conventional wisdom.
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Sweet fucking shit. Belligerent is fucking right! What the fuck was I thinking, I should follow the masses. CHEKonIT - This case is closed. Time to go on with the old mantra of “Lift heavy and eat more.” It is all so clear now.
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WOW, you can blindly repeat everything Paul says. Forgive me for being unimpressed.[/quote]
Nice little blanket statement there. He has made one comment about benching and you come out with this one.
You are a full on dickhead and your well thought out (by your standards) response does nothing other than fuel the fire that the masses in here are so wrong that it is beyond a joke.
I’m out for the weekend. Have fun, and we will continue this discussion next week.
Could she be wrong?
[quote]RagingBull wrote:
I can guarantee you’d be impressed if you understood any of it.
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I understand it better than anyone, indeed better than “CHEKonIT” does. I can tell he hasn’t been doing this long because he’s still in the “start a dumb thread on T-Nation for no reason other than to stir the pot” phase, and he clearly thinks he’s coming with something that everybody hasn’t heard before. NEWS FLASH, there was a debate on this five or six years ago when Paul’s article on the bench press first came out. It’s been done. Oh and Mel Siff ripped the article to shreds on his forum… it’s a joke at this point
I think the saddest thing is that all (95%) of these 2 guys posts are in this thread. It’s obvious the intention here.
You are feeding the trolls candy. But trolls are needed to keep it spicy. They are the cilantro of the site.
Da Sleepin-
Paul Chek is not particularly strong. He is good at doing a lot of stupid unusual exercises that nobody cares about because he has trained to do them and developed a lot of skill. However, if you put him under the bar for a generic ass 1RM squat, dead, clean, BENCH, etc. I predict that his numbers will be unremarkable by T-Nation standards. I also predict that any reasonably-trained athete on this site will kill him on the football feild, track, etc.
Sure he’ll make us all look bad at single arm dumbell swiss ball lunge-snatches. Who gives a shit? That isn’t “functional”, it’s fucking retarded. No sport or “everday” activity requires those skills. Paul Chek’s exercises just make you better at Paul Chek’s exercises, and that’s all he’s got.
And yes, CHEKonit is blindly repeating what Paul says- even the title of this thread is copied word for word from Paul’s article. The guy is a classical Chek drone and I know that breed better than anybody
[quote]michael2507 wrote:
Could she be wrong?[/quote]
Best thing on this thread.
DB
[quote]belligerent wrote:
Da Sleepin-…
Thought out, sensible response.
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Trying to reason with this guy will get you nowhere. Anyone who doesn’t agree with him is a “dickhead.” This troll always ignores things that cut into his regurgitated dogma. I read that Chek outperforms the athletes he trains all the time. I wonder. It’s easy to beat someone at something you’re good at, and new to them.
RagingBull-
I could care less what any of you guys think about my pecs. I don’t see anyone ragging on them posting pics. If my ego were that easy to bruise, I sure wouldn’t have posted them. Honest feedback I can deal with, but I give not a damn about the rantings of some lil’ Schoolboy Bitch Crybaby trolling this forum.
[quote]Kratos wrote:
belligerent wrote:
Da Sleepin-…
Thought out, sensible response.
Trying to reason with this guy will get you nowhere. Anyone who doesn’t agree with him is a “dickhead.” This troll always ignores things that cut into his regurgitated dogma. I read that Chek outperforms the athletes he trains all the time. I wonder. It’s easy to beat someone at something you’re good at, and new to them.
RagingBull-
I could care less what any of you guys think about my pecs. I don’t see anyone ragging on them posting pics. If my ego were that easy to bruise, I sure wouldn’t have posted them. Honest feedback I can deal with, but I give not a damn about the rantings of some lil’ Schoolboy Bitch Crybaby trolling this forum.
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BOOM
[quote]Kratos wrote:
I don’t see anyone ragging on them posting pics.[/quote]
I’d like to take this moment to remind everyone that both CHEKonIT and De sleepliln have promised to post pics at some point on this thread.
Question for chekonit and sleepin:
I have seen you post that you don’t beleive swiss ball pressing is the be all and end all of pressing. So where do you fit it in?
How do you fit in in your routine? And how to you fit bench pressing (on a bench of course) with DB’s in your routine?
[quote]kheaslim wrote:
Question for chekonit and sleepin:
I have seen you post that you don’t beleive swiss ball pressing is the be all and end all of pressing. So where do you fit it in?
How do you fit in in your routine? And how to you fit bench pressing (on a bench of course) with DB’s in your routine?[/quote]
No exercise is the be all and end all. Anyone who thinks that is an idiot.
For some of you knuckledraggers, maybe you could lay off the BB bench for 6-8 weeks and give the SB DB Bench a go as the primary chest exercise. What’s the worst that could happen? Other than Kratos falling off.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
I think the saddest thing is that all (95%) of these 2 guys posts are in this thread. It’s obvious the intention here.
You are feeding the trolls candy. But trolls are needed to keep it spicy. They are the cilantro of the site.[/quote]
The wisdom of Rockscar. Always a brilliant read!
[quote]Kratos wrote:
Trying to reason with this guy will get you nowhere. Anyone who doesn’t agree with him is a “dickhead.” This troll always ignores things that cut into his regurgitated dogma. I read that Chek outperforms the athletes he trains all the time. I wonder. It’s easy to beat someone at something you’re good at, and new to them.
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I think I’ve really only called you a dickhead. You are the worst person on this thread. I’ve listened to other peoples opinions where as you are blatantly ignoring that there may be something more out there.
The other thing that astounds me about you, is that you WILL NOT consider a new chest exercise when you describe your own pec development as lagging.
What are you waiting for. Your chest to wake up and grow? If the exercises you are doing currently are leaving you behind in development, try something new.
Yet you in all your wisdom, whinge about any new idea. Keep benching, but don’t don’t go bitching that your pecs are lagging.
[quote]kheaslim wrote:
Question for chekonit and sleepin:
I have seen you post that you don’t beleive swiss ball pressing is the be all and end all of pressing. So where do you fit it in?
How do you fit in in your routine? And how to you fit bench pressing (on a bench of course) with DB’s in your routine?[/quote]
Where to fit it in? Depends on what else you plan on training that day, but especially if you’re new to the exercise it’d be a good idea to put it close to the start of your workout when your nervous system is at it’s freshest.
Then, if that’s what you’re training for, you could progress to pressing exercises that don’t require as much stabilizer control.
And don’t forget, the topic is about SB presses vs. bench presses for shoulder health, so if shoulder health was a priortity of yours, traditional pressing on bench may not be a good idea at any stage of your workout.
[quote]Kratos wrote:
RagingBull-
I could care less what any of you guys think about my pecs. I don’t see anyone ragging on them posting pics. If my ego were that easy to bruise, I sure wouldn’t have posted them. Honest feedback I can deal with, but I give not a damn about the rantings of some lil’ Schoolboy Bitch Crybaby trolling this forum.
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Good for you, I wouldn’t take their unconstructive comments either.
[quote]RagingBull wrote:
Good for you, I wouldn’t take their unconstructive comments either.
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They were constructive. Read my last post. I hinted to him to ditch what he was doing and try something new.
I didn’t just flat out say, your pecs are shit and leave it at that. I’ll leave that for the bulk of the posters on Physique and Performance Photos.