[quote]Professor X wrote:
There are many who find the focus on all of these “problems” your body supposedly has to be overstated. It helps sell a program though. If there are major structural issues, then by all means, focus on that. However, why is it all of a sudden nearly every human being on the planet has some major structural issue that needs to be taken care of before they start training? Have some of you truly begun to believe that this is “normal”?[/quote]
[quote]Kratos wrote:
Second. Balance becomes more and more of an issue as the weight goes up. A slight wobble with 45 lbs. becomes a soft tissue injury with 105 or so.
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This goes back to one of the previous post about athletes pushing the limits despite the chance of injury.
And I’m sure they progressed the exercise properly and professionally.
What’s the matter, Sparticus, does it sound like too much work for you?
[quote]Kratos wrote:
Whatever. I can bench 315, and I still wouldn’t use heavy DB’s on a ball. It’s not worth the risk. It doesn’t matter how big you are. Loss of balance is loss of balance. And like Prof.X said, 400 lb bench doesn’t necessarily translate into heavy DB’s. They are different lifts.[/quote]
Not worth the risk? I contend that they are worth the risk. Firstly, for the point of the topic in the first place concerning shoulder injury. Secondly, it’s worth the extra shoulder and core stability that some sports require.
Does anyone else hear “I’m too lazy to comprehend it, let alone put it into practice” from Sparticus?
[quote]CHEKonIT wrote:
Kratos wrote:
Second. Balance becomes more and more of an issue as the weight goes up. A slight wobble with 45 lbs. becomes a soft tissue injury with 105 or so.
This goes back to one of the previous post about athletes pushing the limits despite the chance of injury.
And I’m sure they progressed the exercise properly and professionally.
What’s the matter, Sparticus, does it sound like too much work for you?
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OK, 160 lb. Smartguy, outline to me the benefits of Swiss Ball DB Presses versus DB’s used on a flat bench. At least I have some photos to back up my progress.
Gravity is gravity. A 100+ DB swinging around isn’t good in any case. On a ball I wouldn’t trust a spotter too much, there are a lot of ways for both of us to get hurt. I do use the ball, though, but I use it for my ab and core exercises. Most gyms don’t have 800lb. rated balls around here. I doubt commercial gyms would spend that sort of money. I also don’t see what benefits it would have over DB presses on a bench.[/quote]
Finally, he admits to being ignorant. Have you read any of the first 5 pages of this thread?
[quote]Stl Ram wrote:
Good point, Zap. I have always thought the same thing whenever I hear someone mention the fact that the strongest guys on most football teams are always 2nd or 3rd string.
If they weren’t so strong, then they probably wouldn’t even be on the team! It seems that their strength has helped them accomplish quite a bit after all.
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True. But there are plenty of 2nd and 3rd string guys that lift weights all the time and don’t focus on the things that will make them a starter. IE ball skills, movement patterns, speed, agility and quickness.
I have a friend that played pro football in Australia. He thought he was a skinny cunt at 16 so he did weights flat out and when he hit the AFL he was 6-2 115 kg and lean.
When he got drafted he kept going his gym work up at levels way higher than the rest of the team and was delisted at the end of the year because he neglected the other things that make a complete athlete.
Still, he had a physique most bodybuilders would kill for!
Not being a Troll or anything, but he was a 3rd string forward and the strongest guy in the team.
It’s an integral part, but not the be all and end all of overall athletic performance. Without it he would have been nothing though.
Sorry. How did we get onto this from Big Bench = Bad Shoulders?
What’s with your love affair with balls? Come on, now you are gettiing offended by people who don’t like them. I have persona;;y never seen anyone use a ball with any more than a 35lb db. It’s not for me. I’ll stick with a nice, stable bench and not obsess so much about the tiny “stabilizer” muscles.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
What is the opposite of “functional”? Non-functional, right? The guys who are working “functional” exercises are using less weight across the board. Does this imply that guys who lift big and screw the functional thing are non-functional? Does Prof X sit around his house wishing he could open the door or carry his groceries because his muscles have become non-functional? How can he type so much if his muscles haven’t been functionally trained on a swiss ball?
You don’t seem to realise that not much in life is black and white. Console yourself by knowing that it’s easier to think of it that way.
Functional is stupid. There is no such thing as muscle-bound. I think that’s the root of the problem. Many people still think big muscles are inflexible, so enterprising trainers capitalize on this by advertising “functional training”. The great thing about this is that you don’t have to lift heavy (that would be bad for some reason) and your everyday couch-potato likes that idea.
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Name me one good coach who still thinks big muscles are inflexible.
Your everyday couch-potato doesn’t give a shit how much he bench presses or deadlifts. Why would most people need to benchpress 400lb?
there is alot of that around here X, it gets old really, but guys like us that have done this crap for 20 years at least get a good laugh. … I am an expert because, well, because i said so and look 20 nameless internet posters say i am great too so it must be true. As for Paul Chek like most he has some good ideas and some bad ideas, i agree teh swiss ball dumbell press can be a nice rehab exercise but give it a go with the 150’s and let me know how it works out.
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Is it hard typing with your lips firmly planted on prof x’s arse?
Gravity is gravity. A 100+ DB swinging around isn’t good in any case. On a ball I wouldn’t trust a spotter too much, there are a lot of ways for both of us to get hurt. I do use the ball, though, but I use it for my ab and core exercises. Most gyms don’t have 800lb. rated balls around here. I doubt commercial gyms would spend that sort of money. I also don’t see what benefits it would have over DB presses on a bench.
Finally, he admits to being ignorant. Have you read any of the first 5 pages of this thread?
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You are an absolute fool of the highest caliber. None of the verbal diarrhea you have spewed out has shown any beneftit from your obsession with balls. Core and stabilizer muscles can be trained with better, safer methods. Let’s see you put your money where your mouth is, Mr. Still Don’t Have a Pic Up.
You need to know a bit more about your equipment brands. Australian Barbell Company are one of the best quality manufacturers in Oz, none of their stuff is crap. I’ve been researching prices for a home gym and most of their gear is outside of my price range!
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I need to know more about MY brands?
At least I don’t shop solely according to price.
[quote]Matgic wrote:
I basically loss all control of my right arm immediatly and the dumbell bounced off my chest. For anything sudden like this, there is no way that your spotter can react effectivley in a 2.5 or 3 feet free fall to do you any good.
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Sure, there’s not much a spotter can do in a serious situation, but he’s a great help for the little things.
Your everyday couch-potato doesn’t give a shit how much he bench presses or deadlifts. Why would most people need to benchpress 400lb?
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It is not a matter of need. No one NEEDS to play football or rugby or lift weights. It’s a matter of want. Read this and I hope it’ll make things clearer.
I’m not agreeing with a lot of what the OP and his troll friends are saying. but believe me when I say some of those rugby league guys are extremely strong, and they were training at an Institute of Sport gym, which would have the best equipment capable of holding that weight.
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Thanks for the backup, bg. Good thing that you added that little disclaimer in at the start just in case you’re thrown out of the “cool group”
There is a very interesting characteristic being exposed here. It’s obvious that you have bought in to Cheks system of holistic wellness, blah blah and blah.
You found something that you did not previously have. Thats great, but it does not make you any smarter than you were before. You have only just scratched the surface of knowledge about strength and conditioning. Funny thing is that the part you have stuck under your nail is full of smugness, pretense and mostly bullshit, or light fluffy fecal matter that is not foul smelling.
Congradulations! You have just been bamboozled in to paying for a bunch of stuff that a lot of people allready know! That “think outside of the box” line empties the pockets every time.
Put a lid on the “I’m so intelligent” thing. You are buying info that could be found for free, without all of the guru smuggness and pretense.[/quote]
No one ever said my fecal matter wasn’t foul smelling.
On the other hand, I’d say that the main purpose of the forum is to put up and discuss relevant information, not to bag unnecessarily.
Hopefully for your sake it never does. I, at least, have never made such an exaggerated claim.
Logically, by denouncing the use of the BB Bench Press as non-functional and stating that they should therefore be replaced by Swiss Ball DB presses, you have made such a claim.
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Find a quote of me saying that the BB Bench Press is non-functional. All I’ve ever said was that it wasn’t as good for your shoulders and was not as functional as the SB DB press.
I’ve seen excellent lifters with years of experience blow-out their knee while squatting…should everyone then stop squatting because you might get injured?
I’ve seen excellent lifters with years of experience blow-out their lower back while deadlifting and spend two weeks straight lying in bed because they couldn’t stand up withoug severe pain…should everone stop deadlifting because they might get injured?
I’ve seen excellent lifters with years of experience fuck-up their shoulder so bad from military presses that they had to get surgery…should military presses be avoided at all cost because someone might get injured doing them?
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By all means, keep doing them. Shit happens. I’m simply offering a safer alternative that has the potential to be just as effective.
