If you don’t understand enough to enter into this intellectual conversation at this point, I invite you to come back and post when you are.
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being that my IQ is probably around 75 I doubt I’ll be able to say anything ‘intellectual’, but I’ll add some thought anyways…
I’ve seen excellent lifters with years of experience blow-out their knee while squatting…should everyone then stop squatting because you might get injured?
I’ve seen excellent lifters with years of experience blow-out their lower back while deadlifting and spend two weeks straight lying in bed because they couldn’t stand up withoug severe pain…should everone stop deadlifting because they might get injured?
I’ve seen excellent lifters with years of experience fuck-up their shoulder so bad from military presses that they had to get surgery…should military presses be avoided at all cost because someone might get injured doing them?
squats, bench, deadlift, military press, and rows are the best strength/mass building exersizes…all of them include the possible risk of injury…but if you want to get big and strong, do them…
Louis Simmons - “any exersize that is perfectly safe is perfectly worthless”
i think it’s pretty obvious from the very first post of this thread that the thread starter is ‘one of those’… you know what i mean: inexperienced, weak, hater-type guy who makes excuses for why there are others who are far stronger and more developed than he is.
i imagine ‘chek on it’ had maybe even been training for a few years, yet still looks like your average lethargic couch potato. i could be wrong, but my instincts tell me that.
one thing is for sure: he doesn’t know what he’s talking about regarding bench press and shoulders.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
G.O.A.T wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
Functional carry over to what? Strength is strength. Getting stronger on any type of lift will carry over to you being able to pick up heavy shit, period. Sorry, you’re “carry over” jive holds no water.
This may be opening a can of worms but the “carry over” does hold water.
There are plenty of guys I have played Aussie Rules Football with who were strong fuckers in the gym, but weak as piss in a ruck or something similar.
Sometimes strength in the gym is only that.
And if those same people didn’t lift in the gym they would be weaker yet.
This criticism is often used to put down weight training but it is meaningless.
Lifting weights helps one become the best athlete he or she can be. It has nothing to do with anyone else.[/quote]
Good point, Zap. I have always thought the same thing whenever I hear someone mention the fact that the strongest guys on most football teams are always 2nd or 3rd string.
If they weren’t so strong, then they probably wouldn’t even be on the team! It seems that their strength has helped them accomplish quite a bit after all.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
monkey_space wrote:
Kratos wrote:
What’s next, are you going to recommend we deadlift with rollerskates on? Squats on a teeter-totter? What next?
Catherine and I did overhead one leg squats last night on a balance board that was on top of a swiss ball. This definitely recruited more core muscles and really challenged our balance.
You should really give it a try. It was awesome!
Christopher
That must be the advanced class. I am still doing the one armed behind the neck triceps extensions while doing one legged sissy squats while riding a skateboard on the treadmill.
Try it on a seatless unicycle. Make sure you do a cleansing first![/quote]
I literally burst out laughing from all this. That’s some funny shit.
[quote]CHEKonIT wrote:
Who really cares how much you bench? For all the macho bodybuilders out there that think that pressing a lot of weight from a flat bench is the be-all and end-all of manhood, think again.
Paul Chek states that “because the bench press is performed on a flat weight lifting bench, normal movement of the shoulder blades (scapulae) is disrupted. This demands that more movement must occur in the shoulder joint itself”
And just how much functional carryover will it have to your real-life anyhow? Just how much pectoralis involment is there in typing on a keyboard or pushing a pencil?
And if you’re one of the knuckleheads on this site that’d rather trade pain free shoulders for a nice set of pecs, try pressing whilst lying on a swiss-ball. (see attached image) Your shoulders will thank you for it. [/quote]
Ah Gawd, like totally passe mi amigo! You obviously are only at level 12 of Douchebaggerie, while I hold a level 1,000 in Douchebaggerie.
Do a quick search for SHIIT training, because your new-found religion does not hold up to the standards of SHIIT you gotta’ know SHIIT to know SHIIT. If you don’t understand that statement than you are obviously too inferior to ever master the techniques of SHIIT.
While using a Swiss Ball you are activating some Stabilizing Muscles, but you are not activating the Coordinating and the DeCoordinating Muscles within the Myostatin Mitosectional. Let’s not even discuss muscle cytoreflexes…yeah you don’t want to go there.
Look it up…if you can comprehend the language I use.
If your shoulders could talk, they would sing my praise.
I am at a loss to see why anyone would be dubbed a troll for simply posting something like this.
Holy shit. Two people agree while the masses do not, they must be trolls.
By the way, rather than jump on at the end of a discussion, have a read through the full 4 pages and you will probably find it educational.
Perhaps you will be able to add a little more in future than a failed attempt at humour by accusing people of trolling.
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i have had the misfortune of stumbling upon your other ridiculous posts, specifically the one about how pushups and other bodyweight exercises are functional and weightlifting is all show no go.
i’m not using just this one thread to evaluate you, which contrary to what you wrote, i have read in its entirety. your posts are ridiculous and you’re a pathological liar.
by the way, here’s how a debate works: state your position, then back it up with valid information. and don’t be a dick about it.
[quote]John Cowell wrote:
It really serves no purpose and I can bet that Paul doesn’t appreciate what you’re doing.
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No. I reckon Paul Chek would love this. He is nothing but a marketing guru who consistantly gets skinny ass trainers to follow his programs. The reason why they follow him - because he claims to have all the answers and offer a way for them to feel comfortable that they weren’t able to get big in the normal way (lift heavy and eat).
Chek would be loving every bit of this and I reckon he honestly did write this as a provocative article.
Read the article and in my eyes it is written to piss people like the majority of T-Nation users off.
I won’t take this crap. 5-8, 210. You wish punk. If you are that size, no doubt it is 40% fat.
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by the way, here’s how a debate works: state your position, then back it up with valid information. and don’t be a dick about it. [/quote]
Where’s the valid information here? Nobody has put anything in other than Matgic and CHEKonIT. Those two put their comments in with thought and evident research. Prof X to a lesser extent. But the rest of you come up with useless trash over and over.
Keep it up and X might put you on his friends list.
What are we going to do today, Spike? Are we going to piss off bodybuilders? How about start a thread about push-ups? Maybe go look at each others’ poop? Huh, Spike?
[quote]AgentOrange wrote:
What are we going to do today, Spike? Are we going to piss off bodybuilders? How about start a thread about push-ups? Maybe go look at each others’ poop? Huh, Spike?[/quote]
I’m sorry for the fact that people have posted something different to what you believe.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
AgentOrange wrote:
What are we going to do today, Spike? Are we going to piss off bodybuilders? How about start a thread about push-ups? Maybe go look at each others’ poop? Huh, Spike?
I’m sorry for the fact that people have posted something different to what you believe.
There was a guy like you once…[/quote]
And he had millions of people like you to follow him.
I won’t take this crap. 5-8, 210. You wish punk. If you are that size, no doubt it is 40% fat.
Where’s the valid information here? Nobody has put anything in other than Matgic and CHEKonIT. Those two put their comments in with thought and evident research. Prof X to a lesser extent. But the rest of you come up with useless trash over and over.
Keep it up and X might put you on his friends list.[/quote]
Useless trash? You just nailed all of CHEKonIT’s posts to the ground. Your opinions aren’t just different, they are insipid and idiotic. You guys haven’t put up much that makes any sense at all. Why don’t you go troll over at the Dimensions magazine forums? I’m sure you could “convert” plenty of them. If not you could at least do your Swiss Ball Presses of of their fat, round bellies.
I won’t take this crap. 5-8, 210. You wish punk. If you are that size, no doubt it is 40% fat.
Where’s the valid information here? Nobody has put anything in other than Matgic and CHEKonIT. Those two put their comments in with thought and evident research. Prof X to a lesser extent. But the rest of you come up with useless trash over and over.
Keep it up and X might put you on his friends list.
Useless trash? You just nailed all of CHEKonIT’s posts to the ground. Your opinions aren’t just different, they are insipid and idiotic. You guys haven’t put up much that makes any sense at all. Why don’t you go troll over at the Dimensions magazine forums? I’m sure you could “convert” plenty of them. If not you could at least do your Swiss Ball Presses of of their fat, round bellies.
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Sorry Spartacus. I didn’t give you kudos like Matgic and Chek. You have made some good points. I will put you with Prof X.
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Matgic wrote:
But the truth is, I’ve never seen someone become a powerful athletic beast from training on a swiss ball as a primarly focus.[/quote]
[quote]CHEKonIT wrote:
Swiss Ball training is still relatively new. Give 10 years and some solid advice, you will.[/quote]
You can’t be fucking serious. Do you actually believe the shit that comes out of your mouth? Nobody will ever become “a powerful athletic beast from training on a swiss ball as a primarly focus.” Swiss balls are for assistance training at best, and you’d have to be fucking delusional to believe otherwise.
[quote]Kratos wrote:
Ok, CHEK, have you ever used DB’s heavier than say, 70 lbs.? If you have, and had any sense you wouldn’t recommend using them on a Swiss ball.
Let’s hear why, and then why you can’t be bothered properly progressing the activity and using a spotter.
What’s next, are you going to recommend we deadlift with rollerskates on? Squats on a teeter-totter? What next?
Funny thing is, in extreme (although improbable) cases, those activities would be worthwhile.
[quote]CHEKonIT wrote:
Matgic wrote:
But the truth is, I’ve never seen someone become a powerful athletic beast from training on a swiss ball as a primarly focus.
Swiss Ball training is still relatively new. Give 10 years and some solid advice, you will.
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Actually Peter Twist (google him) trains his athletes primarily on Swiss balls and BOSUs. Their success is worth writing home about.
