[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I have a new found admiration for the lat pulldown, I had dropped it for years preferring to do chins and weighted chins, but as far as targeting specific areas of your back I do feel they are better than chins, and I love chins.
Aw, what do you know? Your back is only freaking humongous. Genetics/Roids.
Also
“Big guys don’t know how to train because they were born that way”
and
“No one can get that big without boatloads of drugs”
and
“Didn’t “insert name of author” say something different which is the final word in all things training?”[/quote]
LOL, to be honest X I am running a cycle that consists of the followimg:
500 mg of Big Mac Special Sauce along with 40mg of chicken nuggets for the following 8 weeks
MattyXL–You do dumbbell rows for 15-20…I’m surprised that you haven’t trying to run up the weight on those high rep rows Kroc style (or maybe you had and decided against it, since you mentioned heavy rows ~140+ didn’t help, but it sounded like you were low repping those??). I friggin love Kroc rows, they made my back a lot thicker. I’m not doing them currently, but I do love to go back to them. Anyway, you’re a thick bastard so awesome job you roid monkey (Joking joking…for anybody with sarcasm fail)[/quote]
Sooo what your saying is stop being a pussy and rep out the heavier DBs LOL! Your right bro, I will definitely revisit Kroc Rows.
Good thread! Quite a lot of talk about high rep work (10+) and this is pretty interesting to me as I’ve never really gone above 10 reps for accessory work. I suppose case in point in relation to back exercises are Krok Rows and Facepulls etc where lifters often advocate high rep ranges. Anyone know why this approach is so effective?
I’ve never used DB rows as a main exercise, and have never had access to more than 100lb DB, if I do them it’s late in the workout, but more guys lately, have been asking me to buy heavier DB’s for the gym, I was only asking because you guys are useing these monster DB’s, why it’s so much better than other options,I didn’t mean to come off like a dick, but to upgrade from 100lb to 200lb is a huge outlay, I’m struggleing with the purchase, on a cost to benifit ratio, just like anything else. With most exercises when the weight gets heavier you switch to Barbells, for safty and convienance, thanks
Concerning the pullup/pulldown debate a couple of pages ago, I’ve always wondered: what does it matter?
My understanding is that we need to do verical rows and horizontal rows, but that the details aren’t terribly significant; just row. I also understand that incorporating heavy weight relative to one’s maximal strength is important, but it should be alternated with a slightly more moderate weight for higher rep sets, and that the weekly total of rowing reps should be greater than the weekly total of pressing reps.
I don’t mean to trivialize anyone’s training, but basically I think if a guy will pull a lot weight towards himself, either as a cumulative total and/or on a per-rep basis, then the details of what a guy does or how he does it are insignificant. Of course, “a lot of weight” as defined by strong people is likely completely different than it is as defined by weak people, so maybe there is some significance after all.
The insurance won’t change unless someone hurts themself, I worry about the kid that has to lift the biggest DB he see’s, the handle seems like a good solution, but guys will want two for pressing, and if they’re pressing, I’d rather they were fixed DB’s, this is the debate I have, for two years I have been putting this off, out of 700 members, mabey 4-5 could really handle over 100lb properly, but everyone will try.
Myself I just grab the end of the T Bar with one hand (Meadow Row) works fine, but the guys that want them bug me everyday,can’t please em all
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I’ve never used DB rows as a main exercise, and have never had access to more than 100lb DB, if I do them it’s late in the workout, but more guys lately, have been asking me to buy heavier DB’s for the gym, I was only asking because you guys are useing these monster DB’s, why it’s so much better than other options,I didn’t mean to come off like a dick, but to upgrade from 100lb to 200lb is a huge outlay, I’m struggleing with the purchase, on a cost to benifit ratio, just like anything else. With most exercises when the weight gets heavier you switch to Barbells, for safty and convienance, thanks[/quote]
Heavy DB rows are the core of my back workout. T-Bars and HS when I have access to them. Cable pulldowns (and other stuff).
I stopped deadlifting, seated cable rows, and BB rows at least a year ago. The weight forward angle (where I’m bent at waist) of them are uncomfortable and flair up a lower back injury. I’ve decided I don’t need either in my training.
You can add weight to DB’s (There’s a thread in “T-Cell Alpha” where I illustrate this) and you can add almost 50# easily.
“Meadows Rows” on a T-Bar are great, too. You can add more weight than a DB if you progress that far, and the ROM of the bar mimics a ‘natural’ oar row (and feels like a Hammer Strength Machine which are the best things since Chloroform on ‘date night’).
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I’ve never used DB rows as a main exercise, and have never had access to more than 100lb DB, if I do them it’s late in the workout, but more guys lately, have been asking me to buy heavier DB’s for the gym, I was only asking because you guys are useing these monster DB’s, why it’s so much better than other options,I didn’t mean to come off like a dick, but to upgrade from 100lb to 200lb is a huge outlay, I’m struggleing with the purchase, on a cost to benifit ratio, just like anything else. With most exercises when the weight gets heavier you switch to Barbells, for safty and convienance, thanks[/quote]
I train at home in my garage. A DB handle is way more space efficient than a machine, and the movement is awesome.
[quote]InTheCity wrote:
Good thread! Quite a lot of talk about high rep work (10+) and this is pretty interesting to me as I’ve never really gone above 10 reps for accessory work. I suppose case in point in relation to back exercises are Krok Rows and Facepulls etc where lifters often advocate high rep ranges. Anyone know why this approach is so effective?
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I’m honestly starting to think that you simply can’t overtrain the upperback, and that is soaks up volume like a sponge. The more I throw at it, the more it grows.
I Have used both heavy and light weights my entire lifting career. I fully believe that High volume and high weight will get you best results for back training. What I mostly do is pick my first movement and go heavy on it (10+ rep range) then the rest of my back workout will consist of more focusing on stretching and squeezing the muscles. Often times I also use drop or double drop sets, rest pause sets or half rep progression reps. Utilizing all these techniques and mixing it up is really important too. No two back workouts are ever the same-been at this for about 14 years now.
