Better Than the Best

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
Actually we are arguing that there are randos out there with great abilities we don’t know about.

As quoted from the op:

[quote]Background - it seems some members of this site seem to think there are members of society walking around that are better than the best of all time. Regular street ball players that are better than Michael Jordan. Powerlifters (w/o videos) with better lifts than world record holders, etc.

Continue discussion.[/quote]
[/quote]

How are you so great at Trivial Pursuit? Does someone else read you the questions because it seems like your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

NO ONE has denied that there are “randos” (<–is this kinda like a plural version of Rambo… like multiple Rambo? Rambos) that have great abilities that we dont know of.

what has been said OVER AND OVER is that there aren’t (as in are not) randoms (or randos as you call them) that are “better than the best” of all time. (like the thread is titled)

what is so hard about that?[/quote]

Can you prove this statement?

Can you without a doubt prove that there has been no one on the planet since Michael first got into the NBA who could match his talent if they were trained to do so?
[/quote]

The burden of proof falls on those making ridiculous claims, not those sticking with truths instead of hypothetical situation.

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[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
Actually we are arguing that there are randos out there with great abilities we don’t know about.

As quoted from the op:

[quote]Background - it seems some members of this site seem to think there are members of society walking around that are better than the best of all time. Regular street ball players that are better than Michael Jordan. Powerlifters (w/o videos) with better lifts than world record holders, etc.

Continue discussion.[/quote]
[/quote]

How are you so great at Trivial Pursuit? Does someone else read you the questions because it seems like your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

NO ONE has denied that there are “randos” (<–is this kinda like a plural version of Rambo… like multiple Rambo? Rambos) that have great abilities that we dont know of.

what has been said OVER AND OVER is that there aren’t (as in are not) randoms (or randos as you call them) that are “better than the best” of all time. (like the thread is titled)

what is so hard about that?[/quote]

Can you prove this statement?

Can you without a doubt prove that there has been no one on the planet since Michael first got into the NBA who could match his talent if they were trained to do so?
[/quote]

The burden of proof falls on those making ridiculous claims, not those sticking with truths instead of hypothetical situation.[/quote]

Wrong answer. We might as well be debating whether God exists.

If you can not prove it, then the possibility remains that yes, someone could have been alive within the last 30 years who could have matched his talent with the right training.

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[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
Actually we are arguing that there are randos out there with great abilities we don’t know about.

As quoted from the op:

[quote]Background - it seems some members of this site seem to think there are members of society walking around that are better than the best of all time. Regular street ball players that are better than Michael Jordan. Powerlifters (w/o videos) with better lifts than world record holders, etc.

Continue discussion.[/quote]
[/quote]

How are you so great at Trivial Pursuit? Does someone else read you the questions because it seems like your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

NO ONE has denied that there are “randos” (<–is this kinda like a plural version of Rambo… like multiple Rambo? Rambos) that have great abilities that we dont know of.

what has been said OVER AND OVER is that there aren’t (as in are not) randoms (or randos as you call them) that are “better than the best” of all time. (like the thread is titled)

what is so hard about that?[/quote]

Actually yes, in tp someone else does read the question.

What I’ve been trying to get across is that you can’t be certain of that. With 100% infallibility you can sit there and tell me that there are no randos our there that are better than best? If you can honestly sit there with a straight face and no doubt in your mind that this is the case then I will concede.
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We can entertain all amount of hypothetical situations, but until some random joe goes out and dominates his sport/activity/event, those arguing that that GOAT does exist in some cave, have nothing to base their argument on.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
Actually we are arguing that there are randos out there with great abilities we don’t know about.

As quoted from the op:

[quote]Background - it seems some members of this site seem to think there are members of society walking around that are better than the best of all time. Regular street ball players that are better than Michael Jordan. Powerlifters (w/o videos) with better lifts than world record holders, etc.

Continue discussion.[/quote]
[/quote]

How are you so great at Trivial Pursuit? Does someone else read you the questions because it seems like your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

NO ONE has denied that there are “randos” (<–is this kinda like a plural version of Rambo… like multiple Rambo? Rambos) that have great abilities that we dont know of.

what has been said OVER AND OVER is that there aren’t (as in are not) randoms (or randos as you call them) that are “better than the best” of all time. (like the thread is titled)

what is so hard about that?[/quote]

Can you prove this statement?

Can you without a doubt prove that there has been no one on the planet since Michael first got into the NBA who could match his talent if they were trained to do so?
[/quote]

are we really going back to the “without a doubt prove” that there hasnt been argument?

wait… hold on… superman is back from his beach trip with santa clause and the tooth fairy. We’re all going to hang out now. Prove that I’m not hanging with superman.

also, superman said he challenges kothreat to a match of trivial pursuit

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
Actually we are arguing that there are randos out there with great abilities we don’t know about.

As quoted from the op:

[quote]Background - it seems some members of this site seem to think there are members of society walking around that are better than the best of all time. Regular street ball players that are better than Michael Jordan. Powerlifters (w/o videos) with better lifts than world record holders, etc.

Continue discussion.[/quote]
[/quote]

How are you so great at Trivial Pursuit? Does someone else read you the questions because it seems like your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

NO ONE has denied that there are “randos” (<–is this kinda like a plural version of Rambo… like multiple Rambo? Rambos) that have great abilities that we dont know of.

what has been said OVER AND OVER is that there aren’t (as in are not) randoms (or randos as you call them) that are “better than the best” of all time. (like the thread is titled)

what is so hard about that?[/quote]

Can you prove this statement?

Can you without a doubt prove that there has been no one on the planet since Michael first got into the NBA who could match his talent if they were trained to do so?
[/quote]

The burden of proof falls on those making ridiculous claims, not those sticking with truths instead of hypothetical situation.[/quote]

Wrong answer. We might as well be debating whether God exists.

If you can not prove it, then the possibility remains that yes, someone could have been alive within the last 30 years who could have matched his talent with the right training.

[/quote]

So, prove it then. I can show you thousands of hours of MJ dominating, or someone from a different sport if you, show me your random guy dominating something.

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[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
Actually we are arguing that there are randos out there with great abilities we don’t know about.

As quoted from the op:

[quote]Background - it seems some members of this site seem to think there are members of society walking around that are better than the best of all time. Regular street ball players that are better than Michael Jordan. Powerlifters (w/o videos) with better lifts than world record holders, etc.

Continue discussion.[/quote]
[/quote]

How are you so great at Trivial Pursuit? Does someone else read you the questions because it seems like your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

NO ONE has denied that there are “randos” (<–is this kinda like a plural version of Rambo… like multiple Rambo? Rambos) that have great abilities that we dont know of.

what has been said OVER AND OVER is that there aren’t (as in are not) randoms (or randos as you call them) that are “better than the best” of all time. (like the thread is titled)

what is so hard about that?[/quote]

Actually yes, in tp someone else does read the question.

What I’ve been trying to get across is that you can’t be certain of that. With 100% infallibility you can sit there and tell me that there are no randos our there that are better than best? If you can honestly sit there with a straight face and no doubt in your mind that this is the case then I will concede.
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…which is why this debate is ridiculous. Even in religion, the most logical viewpoint is the agnostic, not the atheist and not the believer.

These people are now arguing against logic. There is no point in going further.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
If you can not prove it, then the possibility remains that yes, someone could have been alive within the last 30 years who could have matched his talent with the right training.

[/quote]

but this isnt what we are arguing here X. We are talking about now. what everyone is saying is that “no streetballer right now on the streets of harlem is better than MJ was”

that is the original point/argument… that is what’s being debated here. thats the heart of this whole issue.

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[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
Actually we are arguing that there are randos out there with great abilities we don’t know about.

As quoted from the op:

[quote]Background - it seems some members of this site seem to think there are members of society walking around that are better than the best of all time. Regular street ball players that are better than Michael Jordan. Powerlifters (w/o videos) with better lifts than world record holders, etc.

Continue discussion.[/quote]
[/quote]

How are you so great at Trivial Pursuit? Does someone else read you the questions because it seems like your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

NO ONE has denied that there are “randos” (<–is this kinda like a plural version of Rambo… like multiple Rambo? Rambos) that have great abilities that we dont know of.

what has been said OVER AND OVER is that there aren’t (as in are not) randoms (or randos as you call them) that are “better than the best” of all time. (like the thread is titled)

what is so hard about that?[/quote]

Can you prove this statement?

Can you without a doubt prove that there has been no one on the planet since Michael first got into the NBA who could match his talent if they were trained to do so?
[/quote]

The burden of proof falls on those making ridiculous claims, not those sticking with truths instead of hypothetical situation.[/quote]

Wrong answer. We might as well be debating whether God exists.

If you can not prove it, then the possibility remains that yes, someone could have been alive within the last 30 years who could have matched his talent with the right training.

[/quote]

So, prove it then. I can show you thousands of hours of MJ dominating, or someone from a different sport if you, show me your random guy dominating something.[/quote]

I’m sorry, you want proof that a player who was very good ended up in jail, dead or decided they really wanted to be a neurosurgeon instead?

Is that what you want proof of?

That is the point. To make the clam you are, you would have to believe that NO ONE ever ON THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET could have ever been really great at sports but done something else entirely.

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[quote]kothreat wrote:
Actually yes, in tp someone else does read the question.
[/quote]

hahahahahahahaha of course they do. amazing!

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
If you can not prove it, then the possibility remains that yes, someone could have been alive within the last 30 years who could have matched his talent with the right training.

[/quote]

but this isnt what we are arguing here X. We are talking about now. what everyone is saying is that “no streetballer right now on the streets of harlem is better than MJ was”

that is the original point/argument… that is what’s being debated here. thats the heart of this whole issue.[/quote]

…and all I am saying is if you know this as a fact, then you should be able to prove it…otherwise, you do NOT know it as a fact and the possibility remains.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
Actually we are arguing that there are randos out there with great abilities we don’t know about.

As quoted from the op:

[quote]Background - it seems some members of this site seem to think there are members of society walking around that are better than the best of all time. Regular street ball players that are better than Michael Jordan. Powerlifters (w/o videos) with better lifts than world record holders, etc.

Continue discussion.[/quote]
[/quote]

How are you so great at Trivial Pursuit? Does someone else read you the questions because it seems like your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

NO ONE has denied that there are “randos” (<–is this kinda like a plural version of Rambo… like multiple Rambo? Rambos) that have great abilities that we dont know of.

what has been said OVER AND OVER is that there aren’t (as in are not) randoms (or randos as you call them) that are “better than the best” of all time. (like the thread is titled)

what is so hard about that?[/quote]

Can you prove this statement?

Can you without a doubt prove that there has been no one on the planet since Michael first got into the NBA who could match his talent if they were trained to do so?
[/quote]

The burden of proof falls on those making ridiculous claims, not those sticking with truths instead of hypothetical situation.[/quote]

Wrong answer. We might as well be debating whether God exists.

If you can not prove it, then the possibility remains that yes, someone could have been alive within the last 30 years who could have matched his talent with the right training.

[/quote]

For the last time, for those of us who are more thick headed than most.

There is a big difference between saying there are people out there with the POTENTIAL of being something, and saying there are currently people out there that are flat out better than the GOAT.

You. Are. Dense.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is the point. To make the CLAM you are, you would have to believe that NO ONE ever ON THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET could have ever been really great at sports bit done something else entirely.[/quote]

my clam must interject here…

no one said anything about anyone being “really great at sports bit done something else entirely”… we are talking about streetballers right now who are or are not better than the greatest basketball player ever to play the game. (MJ)

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I’m sorry, you want proof that a player who was very good ended up in jail, dead or decided they really wanted to be a neurosurgeon instead?

Is that what you want proof of?

That is the point. To make the clam you are, you would have to believe that NO ONE ever ON THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET could have ever been really great at sports bit done something else entirely.[/quote]

I want proof of a random guy who can beat the best to ever play. That was a claim you made, so back it up.

Thats not my belief at all (and telling me what I have to believe is a piss poor argument), I am arguing against what you said because it was ridiculous. I am sure there a tremendous athletes who chose a different path, I however do not for a second believe that someone who could beat MJ is not in the NBA/hall of fame. I am still waiting for proof of this. Thats what this is about. Want proof of Jordans greatness? Google. If someone has the natural talent to be that good, they would pursue it and be filthy fucking rich.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
Actually we are arguing that there are randos out there with great abilities we don’t know about.

As quoted from the op:

[quote]Background - it seems some members of this site seem to think there are members of society walking around that are better than the best of all time. Regular street ball players that are better than Michael Jordan. Powerlifters (w/o videos) with better lifts than world record holders, etc.

Continue discussion.[/quote]
[/quote]

How are you so great at Trivial Pursuit? Does someone else read you the questions because it seems like your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

NO ONE has denied that there are “randos” (<–is this kinda like a plural version of Rambo… like multiple Rambo? Rambos) that have great abilities that we dont know of.

what has been said OVER AND OVER is that there aren’t (as in are not) randoms (or randos as you call them) that are “better than the best” of all time. (like the thread is titled)

what is so hard about that?[/quote]

Can you prove this statement?

Can you without a doubt prove that there has been no one on the planet since Michael first got into the NBA who could match his talent if they were trained to do so?
[/quote]

The burden of proof falls on those making ridiculous claims, not those sticking with truths instead of hypothetical situation.[/quote]

Wrong answer. We might as well be debating whether God exists.

If you can not prove it, then the possibility remains that yes, someone could have been alive within the last 30 years who could have matched his talent with the right training.

[/quote]

For the last time, for those of us who are more thick headed than most.

There is a big difference between saying there are people out there with the POTENTIAL of being something, and saying there are currently people out there that are flat out better than the GOAT.

You. Are. Dense.[/quote]

? I do believe everyone here debating you has discussed the potential and that there is a possibility. You seem to be the only one acting like the use of Michael as the GOAT means there can be no one with that potential out there.

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Ur on ignore ^^^

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[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
I am sure there a tremendous athletes who chose a different path, I however do not for a second believe that someone who could beat MJ is not in the NBA/hall of fame. [/quote]

Why do you believe this? Why would you believe that everyone with that ability would even go into basketball at all? Part of what makes these athletes that good is their training and coaching…and we keep saying over and over that the debate is the existence of someone who WITH THE RIGHT TRAINING could do so.

You are claiming this is impossible…that no one could ever be good at it and not go into basketball.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:
Greg this thread is black vs white,…[/quote]

woah woah woah! no need to make this into a race thing

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Ur on ignore ^^[1]

LOL. Thank you.

  1. /quote ↩︎

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
I am sure there a tremendous athletes who chose a different path, I however do not for a second believe that someone who could beat MJ is not in the NBA/hall of fame. [/quote]

Why do you believe this? Why would you believe that everyone with that ability would even go into basketball at all? Part of what makes these athletes that good is their training and coaching…and we keep saying over and over that the debate is the existence of someone who WITH THE RIGHT TRAINING could do so.

You are claiming this is impossible…that no one could ever be good at it and not go into basketball.[/quote]

PART of what makes them so good is their training and coaching… but MOST of what makes them great is their skill and God given physical talent/abilities. Look at three of the best players in the NBA right now (KOBE, LBJ and Dwight Howard)

All three of those players went to the NBA straight from highschool! They werent getting the best coaching/training as highschool kids and they were still great enough to go to the NBA and tear shit up.

Coaching and training are important but they arent going to turn joe schmo into an all star. Give me all the training and coaching in the world and I would never get 1 minute of playing time in the NBA.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
I am sure there a tremendous athletes who chose a different path, I however do not for a second believe that someone who could beat MJ is not in the NBA/hall of fame. [/quote]

Why do you believe this? Why would you believe that everyone with that ability would even go into basketball at all? Part of what makes these athletes that good is their training and coaching…and we keep saying over and over that the debate is the existence of someone who WITH THE RIGHT TRAINING could do so.

You are claiming this is impossible…that no one could ever be good at it and not go into basketball.[/quote]

Because if someone has that natural ability they will (most likely) be driven to it. Almost all the rest of your post is irrelevant, show me tape of a harlem baller better than MJ and I will shut my ass up and leave this thread alone.

Im sure there are people blessed at sports without coaching who didnt make, but until you have proof, it doesnt much matter. Lebron James HS teammate comes to mind, he however, has not, and will never be in contention for goat.