Better Than the Best

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
All I will say here is why are scouts going all over the nation and abroad looking for talent? [/quote]

Scouts hear rumors about a talented player and then they go check it out and see if its legit.[/quote]

Exactly my point. If pro teams know that there may be a diamond in the rough out there they are turning over every rock. However we are arguing on here that we know better than owners and GM’s of pro teams?[/quote]

bro… you’re talking to the great Trivial Pursuit Champion of all time. you cant argue with that[/quote]

LOL.

How many of you think that if LHW was white Prof X would be calling bullshit? ME!

What’s funny is ALL the people arguing for LHW making this lift is that plenty of guys make claimed lifts and these SAME PEOPLE are the ones calling bullshit for shit like 275x8 bench for a small guy.

Oh the irony.[/quote]

100%, but if I wrote that the mods would’ve erased it [frowney face]. Just like he defended Max “I deadlift 9,000lbs” Charles and every other brother that’s made absolutely retarded claims. Sad that it’s like that.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Miyamoto Musashi trained in complete solitude for years until he perfected his sword fighting technique. He eventually revealed his skills, killed some folks, and is considered one of the greatest if not the greatest sword wielder of all time.

The thing is was he the best in the world upon completion of his training or was he the best once he proved his worth against the other greats.

Personally I think you have to beat the best to be the best. This goes for street fighters vs. MMA guys, and1 guys vs. NBA, or anything else for that matter.

Chris[/quote]

Great fucking post, Musashi also battled 2 (!!!) sword schools on his own and lived to tell the tale… Eiji Yoshikawas novel “Musashi” I think is a must read for anyone who likes history or badassery.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
No matter how good you are, there’s always someone better.

Eventually.[/quote]

They are really arguing against this. Truly ridiculous.[/quote]

Until there is some evidence of some random dude being better than MJ or some other stud anyone opposing the majority view point is arguing in hypothetical situations, when we are arguing with facts. [/quote]

Youtube wasn’t always around. Considering some of you take the word of pro athletes who commented about another player to be false, no one could ever provide proof. Like someone wrote about the Negro League, there is no way in hell we even know about all of the truly best at all sport endeavors throughout even the last 100 years.[/quote]

1 pro athlete said that guy was the goat, how many say the same about MJ? Doesn’t that massive amount of support from not just average joes but nba studs for Jordan to be goat mean something?

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[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
No matter how good you are, there’s always someone better.

Eventually.[/quote]

They are really arguing against this. Truly ridiculous.[/quote]

Until there is some evidence of some random dude being better than MJ or some other stud anyone opposing the majority view point is arguing in hypothetical situations, when we are arguing with facts. [/quote]

This isn’t something that can be argued with facts. On either side. Yeah, one side has facts in the from of world records, etc. But, those only say what someone did in a competition. Don’t many competitors beat these recorded records, but can not be used because there wasn’t whatever parameters in place to record it “officially”? But, we believe these people because they have recorded world records before.

So, why is it so hard for some to believe that there are people out there that have never been recorded in an “official” way that can accomplish world record breaking feats?
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Because if someone had the ability that an all star or record holder does they would show case. You have be vague and hypothetical all you want, but that bball player you brought up, how many mvps does he have?

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That’s the thing. LWH was not just claiming a world record incline as a natural lifter. He was claiming 3x the amount of reps of a man who at one point had the largest raw powerlifting total and is running a lot of juice.

SH makes great points about Scot Mendelson and I agree with Way that that should have eneded it.

Like I said before who the fuck cares about potential if it goes unused. Just because you had the potential to be the best doesn’t mean you are or were if you couldn’t maximize your potential.

Just a lame, pussy excuse. Yeah I could have been the best, I didn’t want to or I couldn’t.

Also, I feel more sorry for the people who belive LWH than he himself embelishing his lifts. Either people are very naive and don’t realize how much 495 x any reps on bench is let alone 15 or those who don’t free weight bench don’t understand how weight on other lifts compares to the magnitude of a 495 x 15 incline.

85lb DB curls, yeah nothing compared to 495 x 15 on inclines. Maybe 150 x 15 on alt DB curls.

5 PPS or 6 PPS on iso rows, yeah can’t compare HS machines to 495 x 15 inclines in any respect.

405 x 20 on bench is nothing compared to 495 x 15 on inclines.

Furthermore, quite a few people have hit all of the above especially the 85lb DB curls and HS movement numbers so with that being said, for anyone to get upset that someone knows that 495 x 15 incline is a bull shit lift is beyond me.

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ok i will say one thing tho…

there were some very strong olympic russian weightlifters who didn’t compete in powerlifting, yet there are stories of them squatting 900+ raw…

now a days that is not the case as powerlifting is world wide and the guys who are more suited for powerlifting tend to gravitate torwards that than oly lifting…

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
I can appreciate this post. Now when someone claims to be the best they should have to prove it.

I could dunk from almost the free throw line in highschool. Hope nobody needs proof cuz I don’t have it. There was no Youtube in the early 90’s.[/quote]

That’s a completely different story. You didn’t say you could dunk further away from the basket than anyone else has before.[/quote]

I agree. Totally different story.

Do I think Loudog could “dunk from almost the freethrow line in highschool”? Sure why not. Thats a logical claim.

If you would have said “I could dunk from the three point line in highschool” then you can see why no one would believe that.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
That’s the thing. LWH was not just claiming a world record incline as a natural lifter. He was claiming 3x the amount of reps of a man who at one point had the largest raw powerlifting total and is running a lot of juice.

SH makes great points about Scot Mendelson and I agree with Way that that should have eneded it.

Like I said before who the fuck cares about potential if it goes unused. Just because you had the potential to be the best doesn’t mean you are or were if you couldn’t maximize your potential.

Just a lame, pussy excuse. Yeah I could have been the best, I didn’t want to or I couldn’t.

Also, I feel more sorry for the people who belive LWH than he himself embelishing his lifts. Either people are very naive and don’t realize how much 495 x any reps on bench is let alone 15 or those who don’t free weight bench don’t understand how weight on other lifts compares to the magnitude of a 495 x 15 incline.

85lb DB curls, yeah nothing compared to 495 x 15 on inclines. Maybe 150 x 15 on alt DB curls.

5 PPS or 6 PPS on iso rows, yeah can’t compare HS machines to 495 x 15 inclines in any respect.

405 x 20 on bench is nothing compared to 495 x 15 on inclines.

Furthermore, quite a few people have hit all of the above especially the 85lb DB curls and HS movement numbers so with that being said, for anyone to get upset that someone knows that 495 x 15 incline is a bull shit lift is beyond me.
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495 x 15 on squats would be fucking wild… much less incline bench

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[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
No matter how good you are, there’s always someone better.

Eventually.[/quote]

They are really arguing against this. Truly ridiculous.[/quote]

Until there is some evidence of some random dude being better than MJ or some other stud anyone opposing the majority view point is arguing in hypothetical situations, when we are arguing with facts. [/quote]

This isn’t something that can be argued with facts. On either side. Yeah, one side has facts in the from of world records, etc. But, those only say what someone did in a competition. Don’t many competitors beat these recorded records, but can not be used because there wasn’t whatever parameters in place to record it “officially”? But, we believe these people because they have recorded world records before.

So, why is it so hard for some to believe that there are people out there that have never been recorded in an “official” way that can accomplish world record breaking feats?
[/quote]

Because if someone had the ability that an all star or record holder does they would show case. You have be vague and hypothetical all you want, but that bball player you brought up, how many mvps does he have?[/quote]

Heyzeus Christo, it’s hard for me to believe there are people out there that think that every single person that is great at something likes to compete.

NO, if someone has the ability to be an all star IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY WILL WANT TO SHOWCASE THEIR TALENT. Thick.

If you still think, and if, this is about MVP’s and world records then I’m completely wrong. It’s not about not living up to potential. It’s about the fact that there is certainly people out there that are better than world record holders, people that have realized their potential who perhaps could care less what other people think about them.

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[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
No matter how good you are, there’s always someone better.

Eventually.[/quote]

They are really arguing against this. Truly ridiculous.[/quote]

Until there is some evidence of some random dude being better than MJ or some other stud anyone opposing the majority view point is arguing in hypothetical situations, when we are arguing with facts. [/quote]

Youtube wasn’t always around. Considering some of you take the word of pro athletes who commented about another player to be false, no one could ever provide proof. Like someone wrote about the Negro League, there is no way in hell we even know about all of the truly best at all sport endeavors throughout even the last 100 years.[/quote]

1 pro athlete said that guy was the goat, how many say the same about MJ? Doesn’t that massive amount of support from not just average joes but nba studs for Jordan to be goat mean something? [/quote]

? Is the issue here that we used Michael’s name at all? The point is that there are people with great potential and great abilities that you may never know about. If you are arguing that, something is wrong with you.

Everyone who has the potential to be great or is great at bench pressing will not automatically end up in strongman contests or on ESPN.

Either way, that will be my last post in this thread. It seems to always be the same guys and if I had to guess, most of T-Nation isn’t proud of it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
No matter how good you are, there’s always someone better.

Eventually.[/quote]

They are really arguing against this. Truly ridiculous.[/quote]

Until there is some evidence of some random dude being better than MJ or some other stud anyone opposing the majority view point is arguing in hypothetical situations, when we are arguing with facts. [/quote]

Youtube wasn’t always around. Considering some of you take the word of pro athletes who commented about another player to be false, no one could ever provide proof. Like someone wrote about the Negro League, there is no way in hell we even know about all of the truly best at all sport endeavors throughout even the last 100 years.[/quote]

1 pro athlete said that guy was the goat, how many say the same about MJ? Doesn’t that massive amount of support from not just average joes but nba studs for Jordan to be goat mean something? [/quote]

? Is the issue here that we used Michael’s name at all? The point is that there are people with great potential and great abilities that you may never know about. If you are arguing that, something is wrong with you.

Everyone who has the potential to be great or is great at bench pressing will not automatically end up in strongman contests or on ESPN.

Either way, that will be my last post in this thread. It seems to always be the same guys and if I had to guess, most of T-Nation isn’t proud of it.[/quote]

This isn’t even the argument, way to side step it as usual.

We aren’t arguing against there being randoms with great potential/abilities we don’t know about. We are arguing that A NATURAL LIFTER is not breaking every bench/incline press record KNOWN TO MAN done by assisted lifters. Jesus Christ.

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Last Post:
That ignore feature is fucking awesome.

Suddenly all of the dumb just disappeared.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
No matter how good you are, there’s always someone better.

Eventually.[/quote]

They are really arguing against this. Truly ridiculous.[/quote]

Until there is some evidence of some random dude being better than MJ or some other stud anyone opposing the majority view point is arguing in hypothetical situations, when we are arguing with facts. [/quote]

Youtube wasn’t always around. Considering some of you take the word of pro athletes who commented about another player to be false, no one could ever provide proof. Like someone wrote about the Negro League, there is no way in hell we even know about all of the truly best at all sport endeavors throughout even the last 100 years.[/quote]

1 pro athlete said that guy was the goat, how many say the same about MJ? Doesn’t that massive amount of support from not just average joes but nba studs for Jordan to be goat mean something? [/quote]

? Is the issue here that we used Michael’s name at all? The point is that there are people with great potential and great abilities that you may never know about. If you are arguing that, something is wrong with you.

Everyone who has the potential to be great or is great at bench pressing will not automatically end up in strongman contests or on ESPN.

Either way, that will be my last post in this thread. It seems to always be the same guys and if I had to guess, most of T-Nation isn’t proud of it.[/quote]

This isn’t even the argument, way to side step it as usual.

We aren’t arguing against there being randoms with great potential/abilities we don’t know about. We are arguing that A NATURAL LIFTER is not breaking every bench/incline press record KNOWN TO MAN done by assisted lifters. Jesus Christ.

[/quote]

Actually we are arguing that there are randos out there with great abilities we don’t know about.

As quoted from the op:

[quote]Background - it seems some members of this site seem to think there are members of society walking around that are better than the best of all time. Regular street ball players that are better than Michael Jordan. Powerlifters (w/o videos) with better lifts than world record holders, etc.

Continue discussion.[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

? Is the issue here that we used Michael’s name at all? The point is that there are people with great potential and great abilities that you may never know about. If you are arguing that, something is wrong with you.

Everyone who has the potential to be great or is great at bench pressing will not automatically end up in strongman contests or on ESPN.

Either way, that will be my last post in this thread. It seems to always be the same guys and if I had to guess, most of T-Nation isn’t proud of it.[/quote]

Please quote where someone said there arent people with great potential and great abilities that we may never know about. No one has made a point remotely similar to that. But if its your last post in this thread I guess I dont need to go on.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Last Post:
That ignore feature is fucking awesome.

Suddenly all of the dumb just disappeared.[/quote]

You have got to be the most delusional, condescending and illogical person on this site. You get proven wrong time and again and when making shit up that has nothing to do with what’s going on stops working for you, you just ignore people so you can continue to feel “right”. Good luck with that.

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I’ve always wondered ‘what if’ certain people had chosen to focus on 1 sport rather than another. A lot of these guys grew up dominating multiple sports and then eventually focused on one.

For instance, Lebron James was named first team all state as a wide receiver in high school. Had he focused on football, perhaps he would’ve become a great NFL wide receiver. Who knows.

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[quote]kothreat wrote:
Actually we are arguing that there are randos out there with great abilities we don’t know about.

As quoted from the op:

[quote]Background - it seems some members of this site seem to think there are members of society walking around that are better than the best of all time. Regular street ball players that are better than Michael Jordan. Powerlifters (w/o videos) with better lifts than world record holders, etc.

Continue discussion.[/quote]
[/quote]

How are you so great at Trivial Pursuit? Does someone else read you the questions because it seems like your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

NO ONE has denied that there are “randos” (<–is this kinda like a plural version of Rambo… like multiple Rambo? Rambos) that have great abilities that we dont know of.

what has been said OVER AND OVER is that there aren’t (as in are not) randoms (or randos as you call them) that are “better than the best” of all time. (like the thread is titled)

what is so hard about that?

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Greg this thread is black vs white, young vs old. everything else is just fluff and fun.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
Actually we are arguing that there are randos out there with great abilities we don’t know about.

As quoted from the op:

[quote]Background - it seems some members of this site seem to think there are members of society walking around that are better than the best of all time. Regular street ball players that are better than Michael Jordan. Powerlifters (w/o videos) with better lifts than world record holders, etc.

Continue discussion.[/quote]
[/quote]

How are you so great at Trivial Pursuit? Does someone else read you the questions because it seems like your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

NO ONE has denied that there are “randos” (<–is this kinda like a plural version of Rambo… like multiple Rambo? Rambos) that have great abilities that we dont know of.

what has been said OVER AND OVER is that there aren’t (as in are not) randoms (or randos as you call them) that are “better than the best” of all time. (like the thread is titled)

what is so hard about that?[/quote]

Can you prove this statement?

Can you without a doubt prove that there has been no one on the planet since Michael first got into the NBA who could match his talent if they were trained to do so?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
Actually we are arguing that there are randos out there with great abilities we don’t know about.

As quoted from the op:

[quote]Background - it seems some members of this site seem to think there are members of society walking around that are better than the best of all time. Regular street ball players that are better than Michael Jordan. Powerlifters (w/o videos) with better lifts than world record holders, etc.

Continue discussion.[/quote]
[/quote]

How are you so great at Trivial Pursuit? Does someone else read you the questions because it seems like your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

NO ONE has denied that there are “randos” (<–is this kinda like a plural version of Rambo… like multiple Rambo? Rambos) that have great abilities that we dont know of.

what has been said OVER AND OVER is that there aren’t (as in are not) randoms (or randos as you call them) that are “better than the best” of all time. (like the thread is titled)

what is so hard about that?[/quote]

Actually yes, in tp someone else does read the question.

What I’ve been trying to get across is that you can’t be certain of that. With 100% infallibility you can sit there and tell me that there are no randos our there that are better than best? If you can honestly sit there with a straight face and no doubt in your mind that this is the case then I will concede.