Better Than the Best

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
The funny thing is that the people who are agreeing with LHW are expanding the argument because they refuse to admit he’s full of shit. This is the equivalent of saying that there is some random natural bodybuilder out there who could not only defeat Ronnie Coleman in his prime for the Olympia title but absolutely crush him.

LOL[/quote]

Still waiting for one of the proponents of this nonsense to tell me that the above scenario could/would happen.[/quote]

Way I know your a smart guy and you know your shit. So why argue with someone that has said some of the stupidest shit I’ve ever read and then try’s to turn it around and side step and babble and fight til no one wants to argue with him? Hes a fuckin idiot!

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[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
You know what, I bet there are recreational lifters out there that have better lifts than world record holders. Different paths in life. One got into competitive lifting while another derives joy by doing it alone.
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you bet there are “recreational lifters out there that have better lifts than world record holders”???

You cant be serious with this.

I bet there are recreational runners out there who would win the Boston Marathon… but they just love the joy of doing it alone.

I bet there are recreational swimmers out there who would out swim Michael Phelps… But they just love the joy of doing it alone.

I bet there are recreational sprinters out there who would beat Usain Bolt in the 100m… but they just love the joy of doing it alone.

do you see how absolutely dumb that is?

Records are made to be broken and, theoretically, they all will be broken in time… but saying that a “recreational” anything would beat the greatest person at that sport is absolutely ridiculous.[/quote]

I see how absolutely dumb it is on both sides.
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You act like people of this caliber would not be noticed by others, are they hermits living completely apart from society?[/quote]

This is a possibility. I’m pretty much a hermit and distance myself from society. Although, no superpowers how would anyone know?

You act like everybody that is great at something wants to showcase it.
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Out of all your retarded posts in this thread so far (and I’ve only read 2 pages), this wins the Earmuff Award.

If there was a streetballer so freaking good he could be an NBA player, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE that others wouldn’t know. There are 9 other people on the court, to begin with. Factor in crowds at the more famous playground courts, and word spreading about how good player X is, etc etc. This is essentially how Marbury and Telfair made the NBA.

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[quote]randman wrote:
I came late to this thread but I think it’s utterly ridiculous to suggest some streetballer could have haad the potential to be greater than MJ if he was “discovered”.

What people fail to realize is even if you had some guy who’s supremely gifted athletically can just go into the NBA and dominate the league like MJ is smoking something. People overlook the mental aspects of this argument. To have the drive, fortitude, obsession, dedication to spend every waking hour honing your craft; studying tape; having an overwhelming will to crush opponents, spend hours upon hours going through each move, shot, dribbling exercise, etc.

The best analogy I can come up with is Tracy McGrady. This guy did make it into the NBA and has had a pretty good career. The reason I bring him up, however, is that anyone who knows him, scouts, coaches, etc says that he has the most natural talent and perfect physical attributes of a basketball player that they have ever seen. Many agree he could have been one of the greatest. So it begs the question; why wasn’t he? Why didn’t he reach that potential to take MJ’s throne or knock Kobe Bryant off his perch?

They all say the same thing. He was damn talented that he took his gifts for granted and never really had the maniacal drive to really work at his craft. He rode on his talents. And now he’s an afterthought in the NBA playing on the Pistons with a career that could have been so much more.

It is an extremely rare individual to have the physical gifts and the mental makeup of an MJ. It’s much easier to find someone that has these awesome physical gifts that lit up for years in a random New York basketball court and became a local legend in the process. It’s a whole different scenario to find that same dude that has the mental capacity to achieve success at the highest levels in life.

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No one overlooked the mental aspects. They were the main focus. read the thread first before commenting.

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[quote]doubleh wrote:
Out of all your retarded posts in this thread so far (and I’ve only read 2 pages), this wins the Earmuff Award.

If there was a streetballer so freaking good he could be an NBA player, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE that others wouldn’t know. There are 9 other people on the court, to begin with. Factor in crowds at the more famous playground courts, and word spreading about how good player X is, etc etc. This is essentially how Marbury and Telfair made the NBA.[/quote]

Bingo.

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Mj was the best because he played in the best league with the best players and dominated in a way no one else ever has. Period. Athletics and ability and potential don’t factor into it.

Someone on the street can’t be as good as MJ because they haven’t done those things regardless of what there potential/talent/skill set is.

Potential without actualization is worthless.

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The ability for a GOAT to remain undiscovered in inversely proportional to the financial rewards of being discovered.

The idea that there is a GOAT streetballer in harlem, a GOAT soccer player in the favelas of Rio, or a GOAT cricket player in the slums of Mumbai who is undiscovered is ridiculous on it’s face. The financial rewards to the buyers of that talent (The GM’s and owners) and to the sellers of that talent (the individuals themselves as well as their entourages) is too great. As numerous others have said, to be the best means to have won. It is impossible to win at the highest levels of amateur competition without garnering attention, therefore, it’s nearly impossible that a potential GOAT in any activity with outsized financial rewards remains undiscovered.

Hell, even things like Pokemon and video games have their versions of championships.

That being said, is it possible that the worlds greatest quilter lives a quiet life, sobbing at night knowing she will never receive the accolades she so desires? It’s possible.

Is it possible the worlds greatest stenographer toils thanklessly in some courtroom in the US knowing he’ll never be destined for greatness? It’s possible.

It’s even possible that the world’s best amateur Trivial Pursuit player is in our very midst…

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[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
neelydan left for a few months and came back to see the professor the the bouncer at odds with each other?

SAME TEAM SAME DREAM GUYS COME ON, HEADS IN THE GAME[/quote]

Go read some of his other threads. Dude has become quite the prick suddenly. The ignore feature works great though.

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Why are people making this about street ballers? Like fuck me. I quite posting in this thread for a reason. It’s a useless debate. People want proof of these no name randos. Yeah, good luck with that. Fucking thick motherfuckers in here. Trying to get shit across, and people only focus on one thing. Guess what, the variables that one must take into consideration in this instance are not all known. All I’ve tried to say in this goddamned thread is that no on can know for certain, and if you are arguing with that claim then I would hate to be as close minded and ignorant as them. Tried to keep it civil, but no. People gotta resort to bullshit. Like fuck me.

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You guys have caused me to eat too much popcorn. Now that it’s all gone, I’ll just throw this out there.

This is what X ACTUALLY wrote, since it’s been miss-quoted:
“To believe otherwise would be to believe that no regular guy on the streets of Harlem could ever play basketball as well as Michael Jordan…simply because you never heard of them.”

He never actually said there is someone, right now, greater than MJ. He said “could ever” which allows for the “potential” argument some of you guys have been complaining about. He also said “as well as” not “better”.

Do I think this was a good analogy for defending Lew’s claim? Maybe not. Possible, yes. Is it a big claim? Hell yeah it is.

But I have to mention that Lew wrote “for 6-15”. You guys calling BS have gone straight to the end of range to argue with, though. Do you guys calling BS have as much problem with 495x6? If his working rep range was 6-15 and that’s all he was really talking about was a rep range, then maybe he never actually hit 15 for that top set. Granted, he hasn’t come back to qualify it in that manner though.

Anyway, just some things I’ve been thinking about while you guys have been duking out.

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[quote]cueball wrote:
You guys have caused me to eat too much popcorn. Now that it’s all gone, I’ll just throw this out there.

This is what X ACTUALLY wrote, since it’s been miss-quoted:
“To believe otherwise would be to believe that no regular guy on the streets of Harlem could ever play basketball as well as Michael Jordan…simply because you never heard of them.”

He never actually said there is someone, right now, greater than MJ. He said “could ever” which allows for the “potential” argument some of you guys have been complaining about. He also said “as well as” not “better”.

Do I think this was a good analogy for defending Lew’s claim? Maybe not. Possible, yes. Is it a big claim? Hell yeah it is.

But I have to mention that Lew wrote “for 6-15”. You guys calling BS have gone straight to the end of range to argue with, though. Do you guys calling BS have as much problem with 495x6? If his working rep range was 6-15 and that’s all he was really talking about was a rep range, then maybe he never actually hit 15 for that top set. Granted, he hasn’t come back to qualify it in that manner though.

Anyway, just some things I’ve been thinking about while you guys have been duking out.[/quote]

This has never been about what I actually wrote. This is a chance for the exact same people to act like I am clueless. It is an opportunity for them to put people down, not discuss anything.

Yes, I would hope most here can see what they are doing by now because it has gotten old as hell.

Being pricks isn’t a good look…but no one ever called them pretty.

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[quote]kothreat wrote:
Yeah, and if you would actually read anything I’ve written then you wouldn’t have to resort to name calling. Fucking steroid monkey. Yeah, I went there. Don’t resort to names cunt puncher. Fucking now, that’s juvenile, and if you want to get juvenile I can do it with the best. Not once did I resort to such douchebaggery. You can go fuck yourself if that’s what you feel you need to resort to. Prick. I may respect you in the lifting game, but you can get fucked asshole.
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How would The International Trivial Pursuit Federation (ITPF) feel about their Champion using such language?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

Because if someone has that natural ability they will (most likely) be driven to it.[/quote]

Bullshit. That may happen in many cases, but not all. There will always be that guy with the talent who lacks the desire…or the guy with the talent who chooses another pursuit.

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Hence the “(most likely)” still waiting for some proof of these outlandish claims[/quote]

Outlandish claims? Like “it is possible for someone to exist with great talent and NOT be thrown into pro sports”? Claims like that?

Yeah, I can see how outlandish that is.[/quote]

You’re terrible at having a mature argument aren’t you? No by outlandish I meant when you said there are ball players in Harlem better then MJ. Still waiting for proof by the way

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I just like to see people lift heavy weight.

I don’t know either of these guys lifting and if someone had told me that moving that kind of weight was possible I would have lol. But having been in a weight room and seeing other people move tremendous amounts of weight allows me to open my mind to possibilities.

Neither of these guys look intimidating so pics wouldn’t support the lifts to me.

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[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

Because if someone has that natural ability they will (most likely) be driven to it.[/quote]

Bullshit. That may happen in many cases, but not all. There will always be that guy with the talent who lacks the desire…or the guy with the talent who chooses another pursuit.

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Hence the “(most likely)” still waiting for some proof of these outlandish claims[/quote]

Outlandish claims? Like “it is possible for someone to exist with great talent and NOT be thrown into pro sports”? Claims like that?

Yeah, I can see how outlandish that is.[/quote]

You’re terrible at having a mature argument aren’t you? No by outlandish I meant when you said there are ball players in Harlem better then MJ. Still waiting for proof by the way[/quote]

I didn’t say that. I said this:

You see, things get much harder to debate when you actually quote what was actually written.

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[quote]Loudog75 wrote:

Why would you post this?

FTR quite a few guys have pressed over 1000 pounds equipped. This lift is pretty common amongst SHW equiped bench pressers…

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[quote]luvtolift wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
The funny thing is that the people who are agreeing with LHW are expanding the argument because they refuse to admit he’s full of shit. This is the equivalent of saying that there is some random natural bodybuilder out there who could not only defeat Ronnie Coleman in his prime for the Olympia title but absolutely crush him.

LOL[/quote]

Still waiting for one of the proponents of this nonsense to tell me that the above scenario could/would happen.[/quote]

Way I know your a smart guy and you know your shit. So why argue with someone that has said some of the stupidest shit I’ve ever read and then try’s to turn it around and side step and babble and fight til no one wants to argue with him? Hes a fuckin idiot! [/quote]

lol it’s addicting because he goes further and further down the retard rabbit hole with every post.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:

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Why would you post this?

FTR quite a few guys have pressed over 1000 pounds equipped. This lift is pretty common amongst SHW equiped bench pressers…[/quote]

that girl spotter in the back is huge!

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
Yeah, and if you would actually read anything I’ve written then you wouldn’t have to resort to name calling. Fucking steroid monkey. Yeah, I went there. Don’t resort to names cunt puncher. Fucking now, that’s juvenile, and if you want to get juvenile I can do it with the best. Not once did I resort to such douchebaggery. You can go fuck yourself if that’s what you feel you need to resort to. Prick. I may respect you in the lifting game, but you can get fucked asshole.
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How would The International Trivial Pursuit Federation (ITPF) feel about their Champion using such language? [/quote]

LOL!!!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
This has never been about what I actually wrote. This is a chance for the exact same people to act like I am clueless. It is an opportunity for them to put people down, not discuss anything.

Yes, I would hope most here can see what they are doing by now because it has gotten old as hell.

Being pricks isn’t a good look…but no one ever called them pretty.[/quote]

X, I am not putting anyone down or acting as if anyone is clueless. I simply want proof of your claim, you keep skirting around and going on about “them” and “they” which has nothing to with your statement. If you cant present proof, just say so and I will gladly drop it. If some noob on tnation made the same claim you would be dogging him for proof just the same. Nothing wrong with it, I am actually enjoying most of the discussion save for a few unnecessary comments (from both sides).

Also, I think the only constant in all these threads turned to shit has been you

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
Yeah, and if you would actually read anything I’ve written then you wouldn’t have to resort to name calling. Fucking steroid monkey. Yeah, I went there. Don’t resort to names cunt puncher. Fucking now, that’s juvenile, and if you want to get juvenile I can do it with the best. Not once did I resort to such douchebaggery. You can go fuck yourself if that’s what you feel you need to resort to. Prick. I may respect you in the lifting game, but you can get fucked asshole.
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How would The International Trivial Pursuit Federation (ITPF) feel about their Champion using such language? [/quote]

HA! Probably get kicked out. I feel bad for it now, and would like to apologize to Waylander. I took it a bit too personally.