In my opinion and experience. Pay attention to whats happening and avoid getting into the situation in the first place.
If that fails or wasn’t a factor - hit hard and run like your getting chased by a bleeding man with AIDS.
If the hit hard don’t sound like a clever idea, the run like fuck usualy works a charm.
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LOL.
Dick.
To be fair to the French, they have their own pretty badass art.
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
more realistic aproach
That video has boat loads of crap in it as well. I agree that the Krav video sucks too. The problem with the Krav video is that it does not show the whole technique. It is showing what they do teach in Many many schools across the nation and is part of the watered down krav that people see all the time because they want to wait until the later levels to teach the whole technique.
You are seeing the first step to defend that knife attack and then right to the last part with the take away. You do not see the most imortant part which is Bursting where when you defend the knife you also , at the same time, smash his face in and there is no pause or breaks in there if they swind the knife in that dumbass fashion you block, make space with your hips and smash his face in all at the same time, If that is effective then you can go for the takeaway or roll him, stab him with his own knife or whatever but the basics are to block hit and get away.
Watch the Human Weapon segment on Krav. It works and better than the crap hippy boy is spouting in the other video.
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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
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LOL.
Dick.
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You know its funny.
You ever going to send DB his Avi, I think he is about to have a fucking stroke.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
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LOL.
Dick.
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You know its funny.
You ever going to send DB his Avi, I think he is about to have a fucking stroke. [/quote]
Oh yes. I’m picking the gayest possible picture of steve jobs I can find. I’m going to send it over tonight.
bwahahahahahahah.
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
If that’s the definition of self defense that you’re using, that’s fine, but it’s not the only definition of self defense, nor even a very comprehensive one IMO.
Let’s take your definition and put it in another context to illustrate my and batman’s points. Let’s take cavity defense since it’s something we can all pretty much relate to. By your definition the only thing that would. Constitute cavity defense would be drilling out the decayed parts of the tooth and then filling that area, pulling the tooth, or performing a root canal procedure. Ask any good dentist though and they’ll likely tell you that cavity defense consists of:
- Avoiding extremely sugary foods or at least only eating them occasionally
- Brushing and flossing daily (multiple times would be even better)
- Getting regular professional cleanings and X-rays
- Getting cavities filled early if they are present
- Getting root canals of extractions if you failed to do all of the above and then start at #1.
2/3 of the above cavity defense is prevention, why would self defense be any different? [/quote]
Does it really matter?
I think making decision to be safe are lifestyle decision and dealing with situation when you are actually /about to be attacked is self defence.
Most street fights are around nightclubs,discos,bars,etc. on a Saturday night.I dont want to stay safe in front of TV at home on Saturday night.I d rather go and party,chase women,drink and go wherever the hell I want to go.And I dont consider myself bad ass at all for that lifestyle.I consider it just normal.And I still want to be able to defend myself and not resort to sprinting away in fear if faced with situation.
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No one is telling you that you can’t choose to go out and do as you please, we’re just saying that doing so puts you at greater risk of winding up in fights and you’re therefore not defending yourself as effectively as you could be.
You could also choose not to lock your car or house when you leave it, or get a security system/alarm/dog, but you’ll be at a greater risk of having it broken into.
You could choose to eat at MacDonald’s for all of your meals, but you’ll be at a greater risk for stroke, heart attack, high blood pressure, and a host of other health conditions.
You could choose to eat Candy 24/7 and not brush your teeth or floss, but you’ll probably wind up with more cavities.
In other words, you can choose to forgo prevention, but you’ll be missing out on a huge part of defense. Your choice to make.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
If that’s the definition of self defense that you’re using, that’s fine, but it’s not the only definition of self defense, nor even a very comprehensive one IMO.
Let’s take your definition and put it in another context to illustrate my and batman’s points. Let’s take cavity defense since it’s something we can all pretty much relate to. By your definition the only thing that would. Constitute cavity defense would be drilling out the decayed parts of the tooth and then filling that area, pulling the tooth, or performing a root canal procedure. Ask any good dentist though and they’ll likely tell you that cavity defense consists of:
- Avoiding extremely sugary foods or at least only eating them occasionally
- Brushing and flossing daily (multiple times would be even better)
- Getting regular professional cleanings and X-rays
- Getting cavities filled early if they are present
- Getting root canals of extractions if you failed to do all of the above and then start at #1.
2/3 of the above cavity defense is prevention, why would self defense be any different? [/quote]
Does it really matter?
I think making decision to be safe are lifestyle decision and dealing with situation when you are actually /about to be attacked is self defence.
Most street fights are around nightclubs,discos,bars,etc. on a Saturday night.I dont want to stay safe in front of TV at home on Saturday night.I d rather go and party,chase women,drink and go wherever the hell I want to go.And I dont consider myself bad ass at all for that lifestyle.I consider it just normal.And I still want to be able to defend myself and not resort to sprinting away in fear if faced with situation.
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No one is telling you that you can’t choose to go out and do as you please, we’re just saying that doing so puts you at greater risk of winding up in fights and you’re therefore not defending yourself as effectively as you could be.
You could also choose not to lock your car or house when you leave it, or get a security system/alarm/dog, but you’ll be at a greater risk of having it broken into.
You could choose to eat at MacDonald’s for all of your meals, but you’ll be at a greater risk for stroke, heart attack, high blood pressure, and a host of other health conditions.
You could choose to eat Candy 24/7 and not brush your teeth or floss, but you’ll probably wind up with more cavities.
In other words, you can choose to forgo prevention, but you’ll be missing out on a huge part of defense. Your choice to make.[/quote]
I choose to have ice cream regardless of huge insulin spike :))
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That is amazing.
As many of the previous posters stated, it’s best to get a mix among a multitude of arts/styles. That way you can choose where you are strongest and weakest and work there for improvement and all techniques in between, but in actuality, the best self defense is avoidance of the situation (violence) albeit as a former bouncer I know that is easier said than done.
Bump!!
along with boxing iv been doing alot of padwork for muay thai and have been working on elbows, knees and thai kicks… What do you guys think the effectiveness of throwing some of these techniques in a self defense scenario (im thinking elbows would be the best suited for this)
Also do any of you guys have any tips for throwing the thai elbows more effectively because iv been having trouble getting the elbow down pat
Are you being coached for MT or are working it on your own?
IMO knees and elbows are both applicable in a self defence situation and potentially highly effective if used correctly.
Like anything else you will need training/practice to be able to reliably use these techniques in a “real” situation.
[quote]yoitspmart wrote:
Bump!!
along with boxing iv been doing alot of padwork for muay thai and have been working on elbows, knees and thai kicks… What do you guys think the effectiveness of throwing some of these techniques in a self defense scenario (im thinking elbows would be the best suited for this)
Also do any of you guys have any tips for throwing the thai elbows more effectively because iv been having trouble getting the elbow down pat [/quote]
You sound like you’re spoiling for a fight there buddy. The most effective technique is what ever works in the situation. Sometimes it might mean twisting someone’s nipples. Seriously though, the punch they don’t see coming is what knocks them out. If you really have to fight, don’t make it obvious with lots of talking and bullshit about how hard you are. Disguise what you’ve decided to do, and throw first. That’s the only way to be confident of winning.
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
[quote]yoitspmart wrote:
Bump!!
along with boxing iv been doing alot of padwork for muay thai and have been working on elbows, knees and thai kicks… What do you guys think the effectiveness of throwing some of these techniques in a self defense scenario (im thinking elbows would be the best suited for this)
Also do any of you guys have any tips for throwing the thai elbows more effectively because iv been having trouble getting the elbow down pat [/quote]
You sound like you’re spoiling for a fight there buddy. The most effective technique is what ever works in the situation. Sometimes it might mean twisting someone’s nipples. Seriously though, the punch they don’t see coming is what knocks them out. If you really have to fight, don’t make it obvious with lots of talking and bullshit about how hard you are. Disguise what you’ve decided to do, and throw first. That’s the only way to be confident of winning. [/quote]
the thing is that there can be only one winner.So,in a fight it doesnt only matters how well you can fight,but also who do you fight against.
I take your point SKELAC. In the few bar fights I’ve found myself in, I’ve found sucker punching someone while they are busy telling you how hard they are, and how many different ways they are going to fuck you up, is a good way of making sure you can limit the ‘who you are fighting’ element of the equation (ie drop someone a lot bigger than you).
I’ve grown up in a pretty rough area, and in my experience the guys who can really fight, who dont do the stupid posturing shit, can always be avoided if you don’t go around being a prick and trying to act tough.
yea im doing some muay thai training and i kind of just wanted to see if any of you guys had any tips or anything for mastering the strikes and which ones would be able to be thrown in real life scenario not the gym
Oh, for goodness sake. You’ve chosen a style and found a school. Now train. Train as often and hard as you can. Rest if you’re injured, but keep showing up if you’re just sore and train train train.
If you’re unsure of how a technique y’all are working that session applies to a street fight, ask your instructor. Politely!
Right now you’re obsessing over details so you can be sure to focus on what applies to you personally in your real past or imagined future fights, which is a waste of your time and energy. Get on the mat and try this stuff out.
Muay Thai is a respected style for a good reason.
Now go freaking train and if you have a question about a particular technique and your instructor and fellow trainees haven’t been able to help you, ask us. We’ll be happy to brainstorm answers those questions any time.
[quote]yoitspmart wrote:
yea im doing some muay thai training and i kind of just wanted to see if any of you guys had any tips or anything for mastering the strikes and which ones would be able to be thrown in real life scenario not the gym [/quote]
The problem with that question is that it’s pretty damn impossible for us to answer it given that a real life scenario can have a nearly infinite number of variables which would change the answer.
In a combat sport you pretty much always know
- where the fight will take place
- who you will fight (and what age, approximate size, and gender they will be)
- how many people you will fight
- when you will fight
- what types of attacks you will face (depending on the rules of the fight)
- approximately how long the fight will last
- what position(s) the fight will start in
And a host of other variables/questions
In a real self defense situation though, you don’t know the answers to any of the above questions ahead of time and therefore it’s impossible to say which techniques or tactics are going to be applicable to any given situation.
The only real answer that we can give you is basically what Miss Parker said above; train hard and should an appropriate situation ever come up in a real self defense situation/fight, then you will hopefully be able to execute the desired technique at that time.
yoitspsmart: Just train, you dumb motherfucker.
This shit takes time.
come at me brah im just trying to find some tips to help with throwing the thai elbows… i understand it takes time and i have been training was just looking for some other help