After reading some of the articles here, I’m still nor clear on how to best stack MAG-10, 4-AD-EC and Test, for longer term cycles. Because of the improved AR binding of A1E, Start w/MAG-10, then switch to Test w/ 4-AD-EC, then stay on the 4AD for the term? I think this belongs here, rather than the drug column. thanks
Brock, Bill, Chris, TC, Tim?
I wouldn’t look at it as a stacking issue really.
If you have access to injectable testosterone and preferably Arimidex and Proscar as well to counteract side effects of conversion to estrogen and DHT, and the price of all this does not bother you (it’s probably more money than a MAG-10 cycle or at least as much) then you don’t need to stack MAG-10 or 4-AD-EC. I’d recommend a gram per week. Now, unless you use propionate, this is suitable only for longer cycles e.g. 8 weeks, and you’d want to have recovery agents, namely Clomid, or Tribex + Vitex, or Tribex + M afterwards.
You could also do a MAG-10 cycle and get I believe the same results, with the same things needed afterwards if you do a longer cycle. You don’t need drugs to counter side effects during the cycle. You also have the option of doing shorter cycle e.g. two weeks, which among other things has the advantage of letting you get back on sooner, having fewer weeks off. Recovery agents are then optional but still preferable.
For a cycle of that length with either MAG-10
or testosterone, HCG during the cycle would be preferable, 500 IU per day or at least every other day, to avoid testicular atrophy. It can optionally be omitted but some testicular atropy (don’t worry, it will reverse within a few weeks after the end of the cycle) would be likely though does not always occur.
For a milder cycle that will still give good
results but with less effect on inhibition, you could use 4-AD-EC. It would also I’d think be useful as a bridging agent (lower dose, low inhibitory) during some off weeks, but particular dosing is not yet established.
Bill, why would you refer to or recommend agents that counteract estrogen and DHT side effects when using MAG-10 or 4-AD? I thought that there are no estrogen or DHT side effects with these products. Did I misunderstand your post? Can you please clarify.
Thanks for the response, Bill. Definitely something to think about.
I certainly didn’t mean to say that Arimidex
or Proscar were called for during a cycle
of only MAG-10 or 4-AD-EC (or both) and
didn’t think I did in the above post. Perhaps
my sentence structure was unclear somewhere.
Unless I take care, I have a tendency towards
overly-long sentences and too many parenthetical comments, which can lead to unclear communication.
Bill talks funny. 