After GSP’s tactical demolition of Penn, he has to be one of the 3 top fighters in the world right there with Spiderman Silva and Fedor. Lyoto Machida has to be one of the most underrated! Thoughts welcome.
I’d also add Urijah Faber, and Kid Yamamoto to the list of best P4P fighters.
why yama and faber. Kid hasnt fought recently and Faber got TKO’d. I would say Miguel Torres.
Faber’s TKO is not the reason I’d ecxlude him.
I think a pound for pound champ must transcend the limitations of his weight class, meaning, if you’d shrink or enlarge him, his style, his technique would still be superior.
Faber, while a magnificent champion, has Featherweight all over him. Would a 180 lbs or 220 lbs Urijah be still such a dominating beast? I don’t know.
Fedor, GSP and Silva sure would after such a magical surgery.
[quote]drewh wrote:
why yama and faber. Kid hasnt fought recently and Faber got TKO’d. I would say Miguel Torres.[/quote]
Yeah, Torres would be up there too.
Kid hasn’t fought recently, but the guy has only lost one fight (due to a cut, much the same as Fedor) and really doesn’t have any weaknesses in his game.
Faber did just lose recently, but it’s only his second career loss (Anderson has 4 career losses, well 3 if you don’t count the DQ due to illegal kick), and he has dominated the featherweight division for quite some time now.
Schwarz,
When I think of best P4P I think in terms of who is the most well rounded, dominant fighter in their weight class. Who is good at everything, has no glaring weaknesses and finds a way to win tough fights. I think both Kid an Urijah fall into that category.
Very few (hardly any) fighters are capable of moving up weight classes and dominating like they do in their natural weight class. And if you could magically make the little guys bigger, or the big guys smaller their performance would change with their new size.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Faber’s TKO is not the reason I’d ecxlude him.
I think a pound for pound champ must transcend the limitations of his weight class, meaning, if you’d shrink or enlarge him, his style, his technique would still be superior.
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I agree. When you say “pound for pound”, you’re trying to eliminate the limits nature puts on fighters (mostly on us little guys).
gotta be GSP. I don’t want to sound like a broken record on this guy, but…
He decides where the fight takes place. Can take anyone down and can avoid the takedown.
Huge gas tank.
Very powerful for his size.
Mental toughness has to go to either Silva, Fedor, or Torres.
Id say no to Faber just b cuz the loss was recent. Silvas still my top because he finishes GSP doesn’t. I actually think Brown has Urijahs number good chin and he pushes the for the fight something Urijahs not used to. Itll be interesting to see them fight again granted Brown beats Garcia.
Rashad Evans, undefeated Lightheavy Weight Champion of the World. The man stopped the Iceman in his tracks, dead stop! Gave Forrest a beating as well. His like GSP, is a constantly evolving fighter. He continues to impress me with every fight.
Rashad has been under estimated right from the start. Now he could go up in weight and still be an awesome fighter.
The man has three split decisions and a draw with Tito (because of an infraction) so no Rashad’s not even close, and he is a small light heavy so he would get mauled at heavy.
[quote]streamline wrote:
Rashad Evans, undefeated Lightheavy Weight Champion of the World. The man stopped the Iceman in his tracks, dead stop! Gave Forrest a beating as well. His like GSP, is a constantly evolving fighter. He continues to impress me with every fight.
Rashad has been under estimated right from the start. Now he could go up in weight and still be an awesome fighter.[/quote]
Forrest was dominating the fight up to the point where he was knocked out,im not taking anything away from Rashad,hes a good fighter but no way is he the best pound for pound fighter in the world.
[quote]drewh wrote:
The man has three split decisions and a draw with Tito (because of an infraction) so no Rashad’s not even close, and he is a small light heavy so he would get mauled at heavy.[/quote]
A fighter goes from the bottom to the top. Doesn’t lose a single fight and then takes the championship title. All this and he’s NOT EVEN CLOSE!
Exactly what is the criteria for being the best Pound 4 Pound fighter. To me undefeated with the championship title makes you the best.
Rashad is going to hold that title for sometime to come. I bet if he defends his title multiple times people will still say he’s not good enough.
He fought as a heavy weight on the ultimate fighter and tore down a fuck’n giant to become the Ultimate Fighter. Every single fight he has had shows his game improving.
Everyone seems to be missing the boat on this one. Rashad is still young and a little raw. He has a great coach and is going to continue improving his game. I’m not exactly sure how one improves on undefeated, other than continuing his winning streak! Go Rashad!
[quote]streamline wrote:
drewh wrote:
The man has three split decisions and a draw with Tito (because of an infraction) so no Rashad’s not even close, and he is a small light heavy so he would get mauled at heavy.
A fighter goes from the bottom to the top. Doesn’t lose a single fight and then takes the championship title. All this and he’s NOT EVEN CLOSE!
Exactly what is the criteria for being the best Pound 4 Pound fighter. To me undefeated with the championship title makes you the best.
Rashad is going to hold that title for sometime to come. I bet if he defends his title multiple times people will still say he’s not good enough.
He fought as a heavy weight on the ultimate fighter and tore down a fuck’n giant to become the Ultimate Fighter. Every single fight he has had shows his game improving.
Everyone seems to be missing the boat on this one. Rashad is still young and a little raw. He has a great coach and is going to continue improving his game. I’m not exactly sure how one improves on undefeated, other than continuing his winning streak! Go Rashad![/quote]
I agree with some of what you said. He does show improvement every match, and yes he has been lucky enough not to have lost (especially in his fight with Tito, in which he only got the draw because Tito held the fence) and I’ll agree, has had some impressive wins (especially his TKFO of Chuck).
But I’ve gotta disagree with naming him the best P4P (at this point anyway). If he defends his title several more times and does so in dominant fashion, then I think he deserves consideration. At this point he just hasn’t been dominant enough for long enough for me to put him on that list.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
I agree with some of what you said. He does show improvement every match, and yes he has been lucky enough not to have lost (especially in his fight with Tito, in which he only got the draw because Tito held the fence) and I’ll agree, has had some impressive wins (especially his TKFO of Chuck).
But I’ve gotta disagree with naming him the best P4P (at this point anyway). If he defends his title several more times and does so in dominant fashion, then I think he deserves consideration. At this point he just hasn’t been dominant enough for long enough for me to put him on that list.[/quote]
I can understand your point of view. He’s like a fictional character, no one can really determine if he’s real or not. Personally I believe he will successfully defend his title with dominance. His coach (Jackson) trains his fighters to dominate in the ring.
If BJ would get serious I’d have my favorite fighters in every division holding the title. I can’t support BJ until I see a greater degree of focus and training. Being a great fighter and loving to fight just isn’t enough in this sport. If he got his shit together he could dominate the lightweight division for years.
[quote]streamline wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
I agree with some of what you said. He does show improvement every match, and yes he has been lucky enough not to have lost (especially in his fight with Tito, in which he only got the draw because Tito held the fence) and I’ll agree, has had some impressive wins (especially his TKFO of Chuck).
But I’ve gotta disagree with naming him the best P4P (at this point anyway). If he defends his title several more times and does so in dominant fashion, then I think he deserves consideration. At this point he just hasn’t been dominant enough for long enough for me to put him on that list.
I can understand your point of view. He’s like a fictional character, no one can really determine if he’s real or not. Personally I believe he will successfully defend his title with dominance. His coach (Jackson) trains his fighters to dominate in the ring.
If BJ would get serious I’d have my favorite fighters in every division holding the title. I can’t support BJ until I see a greater degree of focus and training. Being a great fighter and loving to fight just isn’t enough in this sport. If he got his shit together he could dominate the lightweight division for years.[/quote]
Cool. I can agree with that.
Rocky Balboa.
He definitely beat more odds than any other fighter in existence. He went the distance with Apollo, then beat him, took on Mr. T (a real bad-ass), then a HUGE Russian dude and at the same time ended the cold war single-handedly, trained a kid who he eventually thumped on in the street, and last but not least, at age 60 he came back and goes the distance with Mason “the Line” Dixon.
Better yet, we have raw footage from Rocky’s original reality-tv shows, or movies: Rocky 1-6.
GSP. If Anderson beats Okami it will tough to pick.
Huh Okami sucks.
[quote]Eddie_would_tow wrote:
Rocky Balboa.
He definitely beat more odds than any other fighter in existence. He went the distance with Apollo, then beat him, took on Mr. T (a real bad-ass), then a HUGE Russian dude and at the same time ended the cold war single-handedly, trained a kid who he eventually thumped on in the street, and last but not least, at age 60 he came back and goes the distance with Mason “the Line” Dixon.
Better yet, we have raw footage from Rocky’s original reality-tv shows, or movies: Rocky 1-6.
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You forgot the match with Thunderlips!
Rashad is not there yet but could be. Yes he is undefeated, and the Tito he fought was ready to go. His last 3 fights were against Liddell who as we all know he lost, and he beat Shamrock quickly twice. Before that he decisioned over Griffin, Belfort, and Cote three pretty good fighters. And Rashad is not very young anymore either he turns 30 in September.
While looking up the stats for a potential Rampage Evans fight, you see Rampage is just 1 year older. I think Evans can hold onto the title for a bit, but the way that belt moves around now, it is anyone’s quess.