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[quote]Professor X wrote:
They try to out-think the effort. I haven’t seen one person yet who this actually works for, and I’ve honestly been on this site long enough that the idiots claiming they are going to “lose body fat and gain muscle at the same time” should have grown to extreme proportions by now.[/quote]

Here’s what gets me. It’s not like no one has tried gaining muscle and losing fat simultaneously before. Yet everyone logs it for the first time and say they are going to do it.

I get that the world needs trail blazers. And I’m sure there is a guy out there somewhere who just knows in that little heart of his that he will be the first to turn lead into gold.

There is a different between science and alchemy.

I truly think that society’s general lack of critical thinkers is what causes so many people to log on saying, “I will gain muscle and lose fat!” These people are going on what people who are trying to sell them shit are telling them.

On one hand, countless people on these forums and in gyms across the country who have made real-world progress have said, “You can’t do both.” In fact, I don’t know of a single person who has made progress who has said otherwise.

On other hand is the guy trying to sell his book. He says you can do both - if you buy his book and follow his programs.

Who would a thinking person believe? A disinterested person who has nothing to gain or lose if you follow his advice? Or the guy trying to reach into his pocket?

That question, sadly, sums it up. People just aren’t thinking.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Professor X wrote:
They try to out-think the effort. I haven’t seen one person yet who this actually works for, and I’ve honestly been on this site long enough that the idiots claiming they are going to “lose body fat and gain muscle at the same time” should have grown to extreme proportions by now.

Here’s what gets me. It’s not like no one has tried gaining muscle and losing fat simultaneously before. Yet everyone logs it for the first time and say they are going to do it.

I get that the world needs trail blazers. And I’m sure there is a guy out there somewhere who just knows in that little heart of his that he will be the first to turn lead into gold.

There is a different between science and alchemy.

I truly think that society’s general lack of critical thinkers is what causes so many people to log on saying, “I will gain muscle and lose fat!” These people are going on what people who are trying to sell them shit are telling them.

On one hand, countless people on these forums and in gyms across the country who have made real-world progress have said, “You can’t do both.” In fact, I don’t know of a single person who has made progress who has said otherwise.

On other hand is the guy trying to sell his book. He says you can do both - if you buy his book and follow his programs.

Who would a thinking person believe? A disinterested person who has nothing to gain or lose if you follow his advice? Or the guy trying to reach into his pocket?

That question, sadly, sums it up. People just aren’t thinking.[/quote]

I agree, to an extent.

There are some situations where a person can lose fat while building muscle; most notably if they’re taking anabolic steroids or if they’re just starting out. But in the case of “newbie gains”, this certainly doesnt last long.

Also, don’t techniques that utilize hormones claim, sometimes, to be both muscle building and fat burning (lactic acid training, for example)?

My thinking on the subject, currently, is that its possible to get “ok” results with both, or “excellent” results in one while sacrificing the other. Meaning its possible to gain (some) muscle and come out of the experience having lost (a little) fat. Or the other way around.

But its not possible to lose (considerable) fat while building muscle, or build (considerable) muscle while losing fat.

And, you’re going to make better gains in the long run by going for excellent results instead of just trying to be “ok” in both areas.

Sound reasonable?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
<<< Why 1/2 a cup of egge whites and not simply several whole eggs? >>>

Why not some meat? Fish? Chicken? Why the almost total avoidance of fat outside of “tablets” (this here is very telling) and yes some whole eggs. This reads like an early 90’s fat free Fitness America Pageant lab experiment.

Why whole body training if you aren’t gaining? I suspect your fear of fat has you trying to train to lose because you read, probably here that full body routines burn more fat. They may, but at least in your case this move everything while not REALLY pushing anything method is not working.

For all your “knowledge” you haven’t demonstrated the intuition to apprehend this simple state of affairs and adjust accordingly.

You are the quintessential poster boy for why the hell so few people are progressing these days. Head stuffed full of information and body going nowhere. Don’t take me as picking on you. You are not alone. I’ll say it again. I started with nothing.

No internet, no books, just a bunch of equipment and I really think guys like you would be better off like that than being blitzkrieged with mountains of resources like it is now.

They try to out-think the effort. I haven’t seen one person yet who this actually works for, and I’ve honestly been on this site long enough that the idiots claiming they are going to “lose body fat and gain muscle at the same time” should have grown to extreme proportions by now.

One can only wonder why that isn’t happening and why those who actually focused on gaining as a primary goal have made the most significant progress.

It is like the concept of lifting hard is foreign. They run around chanting specific routines as if “full body training”, simply because you do certain exercises, is the key to building muscle.

One thing you can’t write down is how HARD you fucking lifted. You can’t write down the intensity level. You can’t calculate it out.

This is why you never needed to show off how many books you’ve read in the gym. This is what separates those that try to show off how much they think they know…from those who actually show it in their own bodies.

Most of these guys need to actually put the books down until they figure out how to balance EFFORT with what they think they know.

The specific program you are doing is LEAST important, regardless of who says it is the best one way to train.

Until you figure that out, no one gives a shit how many authors you can quote or how many name brand routines you can rattle off from memory.

Your professed IQ means shit when the game involves sheer will, intensity, focus and consistency.[/quote]

I’m sorry if asking this just n00bs up your simple “Dont substitute information for hard work” message, but:

I get the impression you lift heavy as often as possible. What kind of de-loading/rest techniques have worked for you?

Once you stop making gains with an exercise, do you switch to another so you can continue with the high intensity? Or do you reduce the intensity for a period then go back to being intense?

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<<

I get the impression you lift heavy as often as possible. What kind of de-loading/rest techniques have worked for you?

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I get the impression this guy needs to forget 98% of everything he thinks he knows and start over with some manfood and a workable routine. I believe he believes he’s lifting heavy, but as often as possible, even if her were doing that, is certainly not the automatic way to go either.

I’d be delighted to be wrong, but this kind of mindset is an addiction. Once you get yourself convinced of the elitetness of your knowledge it’s a rare individual who can break down and accept that almost nothing they’ve learned is of any real world use to them. These are usually the same guys who snicker about how the mammoths in their gym don’t know what they’re doing.

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I’m sorry if asking this just n00bs up your simple “Dont substitute information for hard work” message, but:

I get the impression you lift heavy as often as possible. What kind of de-loading/rest techniques have worked for you?[/quote]

De-loading and rest techniques? I don’t even use those terms. You’ll have to excuse me if I don’t know the latest lingo being pushed by whatever authors you’ve read. It really means little to nothing to me so I don’t know what you are talking about. Mind you, that is NOT coming from someone uneducated. That is coming from someone who knows more than most about the human body and also cares the least about what every trainer is trying to sell.

If I’m tired (emphasis on truly being tired and not just lazy) I take a rest day. I am not sure how much “technique” you think is involved with that. As far as always lifting heavy, yes, I do that as much as possible. I am also adding in more sets of higher reps lately. Why? Because it feels right.

[quote]
Once you stop making gains with an exercise, do you switch to another so you can continue with the high intensity? Or do you reduce the intensity for a period then go back to being intense?[/quote]

Why would an exercise be the determining factor in whether someone is making gains or not? Like many others, you are falling for the “specific routine” bullshit. If someone’s gains have come to a halt completely, the first place you look is FOOD INTAKE, not what specific exercise they are doing unless their training is so backwards they are leaving basic “mass builders” out of it or their intensity is severely lacking.

Here’s what I get for not paying close enough attention. You were asking Professor X. Ain’t I jist silly.

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
There are some situations where a person can lose fat while building muscle; most notably if they’re taking anabolic steroids [/quote]

First, have you ever done steroids or trained with others who have? Few steroid users “gain muscle and lose fat.” Many lower their bodyfat % due to a gaining a greater proportion of muscle to fat. But lowering one’s bodyfat % due to an increase in LBM is not gaining muscle and losing fat.

With the right drugs, sure, it can happen. But it’s not usually what happens. Besides, most people who use steroids are trying to gain muscle and don’t mind some fat gain. And people who use steroids while cutting are generally more concerned with preserving muscle mass.

I cannot think of anyone I know who used steroids who thought, “I want to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time.” All of them either wanted to get much bigger overall; or to cut down for a contest.

Second, why do people always bring up the newbie example? No one has ever said on this site that newbies can’t gain muscle and lose fat. It’s a complete non-issue and totally irrelevant to what I wrote.

It’s like you’re looking for very narrow exceptions to make it seem you are hip or knowledgeable. But brining up rare exceptions doesn’t give off that impression. It just makes me think you’re just reaching to find something to say.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
There are some situations where a person can lose fat while building muscle; most notably if they’re taking anabolic steroids

First, have you ever done steroids or trained with others who have?
[/quote]

No, I have not. I should have prefaced that with “From what I’ve read”. Sorry.

Ok, I see what you’re saying.

I just mentioned it as a situation where people tend to build muscle and lose fat. Thats all.

[quote]
It’s like you’re looking for very narrow exceptions to make it seem you are hip or knowledgeable. But brining up rare exceptions doesn’t give off that impression. It just makes me think you’re just reaching to find something to say.[/quote]

Ok, I’m done. I tried being civil with you, and you apparently need to turn everything into some form of insult. Take care.

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Ok, I’m done. I tried being civil with you, and you apparently need to turn everything into some form of insult. Take care.[/quote]

I’m glad you posted that. There is a new trend wherein when someone who clearly doesn’t know much is told he doesn’t know much replies: “You are being mean and uncivil.”

You have clearly read a few articles, but that is where you knowledge ends. There is nothing uncivil or insulting about my stating this.

I can list numerous things I do not know anything about. E.g., I am a white belt in jiu jitsu. I suck. If someone said, “You are a white belt. You shouldn’t be telling black belts how to do arm bars,” I would not be insulted or consider the person telling me as such was uncivil. (Of course, I would not presumptuous enough to even open my mouth up on the subject.)

You can either keep deluding yourself into thinking that reading a few articles on the Internet has given you all of this knowledge and that anyone who doesn’t recognize your wisdom is an asshole; or you can recognize your ignorance and address it. You sound young, so you have time.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Ok, I’m done. I tried being civil with you, and you apparently need to turn everything into some form of insult. Take care.

I’m glad you posted that. There is a new trend wherein when someone who clearly doesn’t know much is told he doesn’t know much replies: “You are being mean and uncivil.”

You have clearly read a few articles, but that is where you knowledge ends. There is nothing uncivil or insulting about my stating this.

I can list numerous things I do not know anything about. E.g., I am a white belt in jiu jitsu. I suck. If someone said, “You are a white belt. You shouldn’t be telling black belts how to do arm bars,” I would not be insulted or consider the person telling me as such was uncivil. (Of course, I would not presumptuous enough to even open my mouth up on the subject.)

You can either keep deluding yourself into thinking that reading a few articles on the Internet has given you all of this knowledge and that anyone who doesn’t recognize your wisdom is an asshole; or you can recognize your ignorance and address it. You sound young, so you have time. [/quote]

Hm. Funny. I noticed a trend too. That is, throwing up your hands in disgust at nearly every question a beginner has. Perhaps the two trends are correlated, no?

You’ve even gone so far as the intellectual dishonesty of refrencing an obvious troll (the 138lber who wanted an ab routine, refused protein powder because his coach would test him for steroids, and cautioned everyone not to take creatine because it would give them heart attacks). You repeatedly referenced that thread as though it was a serious poster, while knowing it was obviously a prank.

I don’t understand people like you. You come to a website where people of all different levels of experience are welcome to read articles and discuss these topics. Those with experience are encouraged to help those with less, and beginners are encouraged to try out different things and see what works best for them.

But when a beginner starts to ask about damn near any training variable (read up when I asked about deloading/rest techniques), they’re told to “shut up and train”.

So one side of the mouth says “You need to experiment”. The other side barks “You dont need to experiment, you just need to train hard!”.

Why come to a website that publishes articles, only to berate anyone who mentions things they’ve learned from those articles? If someone wants to try employing something they picked up from an article, why not give them advice on how to make the most of it, instead of putting them down as trying to sound like they know more than they do?

Furthermore, you were rude in your response. You accused me of “trying to sound hip and knowledgeable” and “reaching for something to say”… simply because my input didn’t live up to your qualifications.

Lastly, your analogy between our exchange and a white belt telling black belts how to do arm bars is ridiculous. At no point in this thread did I tell you (or anyone) how to do anything, or what is best. I simply asked a few questions on the topic of intensity, and gave my thoughts on the “gaining muscle while losing fat” issue. That in no way even resembles me telling a more exprienced lifter how to do anything.
A better analogy would be a white belt saying to a black belt “Someone told me this is a good way to apply an armbar, what do you think?”

You’re obviously an experienced lifter with a good deal of knowledge. Your attitude, however, makes you a terrible person to talk to on the subject. Best of luck reaching whatever goals you have, but I’d suggest not attempting to be a trainer or coach of any kind.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
De-loading and rest techniques? I don’t even use those terms. You’ll have to excuse me if I don’t know the latest lingo being pushed by whatever authors you’ve read.
[/quote]

Its almost funny that your attempt to be rude results in you sounding as though you’re somehow not intelligent enough to infer the meaning of “rest technique” or “deloading” (since they’re very elaborate and esoteric terms indeed).

You couldn’t have just replied with “I dont schedule less intense workouts, I just take the day off if I feel like I need it”? Does reminding people that they arent as experienced as you make up for something you’re lacking in your life?

[quote]
Why would an exercise be the determining factor in whether someone is making gains or not? Like many others, you are falling for the “specific routine” bullshit. If someone’s gains have come to a halt completely, the first place you look is FOOD INTAKE, not what specific exercise they are doing unless their training is so backwards they are leaving basic “mass builders” out of it or their intensity is severely lacking.[/quote]

Some training advice I’ve commonly heard is that if you stop making gains with one exercise, you should try a similar exercise for a while. Usually, when you go back to the original, you can break continue progressing. For instance, if your bench stops going up, switching from BB to DB bench, then going back.

I dont see how that constitutes a “specific routine” or “bullshit”.

I’m sorry for wasting your time with such ignorance. It wont happen again. Take care.

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<< I’m sorry for wasting your time with such ignorance. It wont happen again. Take care.[/quote]

You’re getting a little touchy and taking these comments too personally. While they were directed at you in this instance, try to understand that this stuff has been coming up like every 30 seconds for a while now. Nobody is saying there’s anything wrong with learning or being knowledgeable, who would try to defend rank ignorance?

It’s just that so many people nowadays accumulate information instead of muscle. The point is, mastering lingo and canned ideas isn’t helping most of these guys and it does wear thin pretty quick. Information is great and there’s plenty of it here, but guys try to know there way forward many times drastically overcomplicating things to their own detriment.

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

You’re obviously an experienced lifter with a good deal of knowledge. Your attitude, however, makes you a terrible person to talk to on the subject. Best of luck reaching whatever goals you have, but I’d suggest not attempting to be a trainer or coach of any kind.
[/quote]

lololol
In time you will learn that T-Nation forums are actually for flame wars rather than intelligent exchange of experienced information. THIS IS THE INTERNET remember. An overload of information that has infected millions with what Zap would say paralysis by analysis.

It’s not purely the Nation OG’s fault. You must realize that many of the questions asked by someone new can be answered with the search button. And to be honest either I’m a genius or I don’t see this “so much information can’t decipher it stuff”. They all say the same thing just in different words. “go to the gym workout with a purpose, eat with a purpose.”

Once you do this you can pose your questions disclaiming them with your stats. Then you can go to war because whatever anybody on here says you know if they give you b.s. advice.

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
But when a beginner starts to ask about damn near any training variable (read up when I asked about deloading/rest techniques), they’re told to “shut up and train”.[/quote]

I said that? Where?

Training hard and experimenting are not mutually exclusive. In fact, you should be doing both.

Let me give you an example. I train my chest hard. But through experimentation, I learned that I cannot bench press hard. If I do, I ruin my shoulders. I can do dips at really funky angles well below parallel (which people say is a way to hurt your shoulders, but which feels great to me). But perfect form with even a trivial amount of weight on the bench ruins me.

So I trained hard and learned through experimentation that dips were right for me.

It’s the parroting of everything written in an article that’s the problem. It’s treating an article like Gospel that’s annoying.

If you take the right route and train hard and analyze less, you will realize that probably 75% of articles are just full of made-up shit.

Also, the very way you framed your question to Trib. When Trib said, “Train hard,” you started talking about some concepts you read in the article, as if to say: “But Thib, clearly you know nothing or you would know [insert concepts someone wrote in some article on the Internet].”

But you gave you opinion in “gaining muscle while losing fat” in such a way as to argue. You did this in another thread. There, I mentioned that training hard while doing sprints would burn more fat overall than training in the “target heart rate,” you came back with: “But you burn a greater percentage of fat in you stay in the target heart zone.” But the point I made (which was clear) was that worrying about the proportion of fat was counter-productive, and worrying about total fat burned was what was really important.

When I wrote that people are not losing fat while gaining muscle, you said, “steroids and newbies can.” Well, no shit. I never said otherwise. So why even introduce that when the context was clear that I was not talking about either subset of people.

It’s like you just want to find a way to be argumentative. Either that, or you want to show everyone how much you “know.” Neither motivation is particularly good.

Plus, you were the guy who didn’t know the different uses for Surge and Metabolic Drive. Some guy who doesn’t know when to use a high-glycemic-carb-and-protein mixture vs. when to use a slow-digesting-protein-only substance really doesn’t have many thoughts.

As I noted, above, that is not how you phrase things. You would say this: “But I read on Sherdog that you’re supposed to do it this way.” Even someone more “civil” than I would say, “Why don’t you shut the fuck up and just listen?”

Oh, and you need to just stop repeating everything you read in some article. I guarantee that if you literally never read another lifting article again but simply trained hard, experimented, and reflected on what works and what doesn’t, you would be better off than the guy who sits around reading every article as if God herself wrote it.

In a perfect world, you’d read the article and realize that most authors have an agenda. Most want your money: They want you to buy their books or to hire them. Few are writing articles because they genuinely care about moving knowledge forward. Hence, why you see, “Best program ever” crap in articles, and why many articles read like infomercials.

That doesn’t mean articles are worthless. It simply means that you should realize most authors have an agenda, and many have a dubious truth telling ability when it comes to their background. Once you read the article in that light, you know what is crap - and what isn’t crap - in what you read.

Now look at the people on this thread. Do I want your money? Does X? Does Trib? We obviously care enough about your development that we have responded to you.

Yet because we don’t tell you what you want to hear or treat you like you know a lot of stuff, you get offended.

If you want people to kiss your ass, start paying them. People who want your money will be polite as hell. People who don’t want your money will be less tactful but more truthful.

You are young and impressionable. (If I had to guess, I would put you at 19.) Stop believing the hype and start training harder and eating smarter. You will learn more from hard work than you will from one-thousand articles.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<< I’m sorry for wasting your time with such ignorance. It wont happen again. Take care.

You’re getting a little touchy and taking these comments too personally. While they were directed at you in this instance, try to understand that this stuff has been coming up like every 30 seconds for a while now. Nobody is saying there’s anything wrong with learning or being knowledgeable, who would try to defend rank ignorance?

It’s just that so many people nowadays accumulate information instead of muscle. The point is, mastering lingo and canned ideas isn’t helping most of these guys and it does wear thin pretty quick. Information is great and there’s plenty of it here, but guys try to know there way forward many times drastically overcomplicating things to their own detriment.[/quote]

I understand.

Its kind of like when if you break your wrist, and have a cast on. At the beginning of the day, you dont mind explaining what happened. But by the end of it, when someone sees you and asks (for the first time for them) “What happened to your wrist?” you roll your eyes, annoyed that you have to tell the whole damn story again.

But thats really no excuse to be rude to the person who asks you later in the day. Its not their fault 800 people asked before them, for them, its their first time.

The same way, in this area, you have to accept that amost every day there will be a beginner asking how to lose the fat around their abs, or if lifting light weights really makes you tone, etc. But don’t get pissed off at them, because its their first time asking. Either come to help them, or ignore the thread if you’re getting frustrated.

And please, don’t spend all day bitching about the quality of this FREE WEBSITE. If you were paying for these forums, that would be one thing. But you aren’t. So get over it.

And how can T-Nation/Biotest afford to keep the website free? By selling products. And who probably accounts for a sizable percent of sales? Thats right! The “trolls” who ask stupid questions!!!

Just like another poster said in another thread about membership costs. Imagine if a gym kicked out anyone who did curls in the squat rack, or only lifted the pink weights. They’d be closed in a month. Then where would you train?

Economically, its the same people that piss you off that keep your gym operating and your T-Nation hot, fresh, and free.

So you can either be a t-man, accept the bad with the good, and try to help, or you can be rude and arrogant because you can’t cope.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:

Also, the very way you framed your question to Trib. When Trib said, “Train hard,” you started talking about some concepts you read in the article, as if to say: “But Thib, clearly you know nothing or you would know [insert concepts someone wrote in some article on the Internet].”
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The question was to Prof. X.

My thought process went like this: "He says to train intensely, however, I wonder if he means to simply train intensly all the time. Also, I wonder what he does if/when his progress stalls. I’ll ask his opinion on scheduled deloading/rest techniques and if he uses them, and what he does if/when his progress with a lift stalls.

His response: You are buying into bullshit.

[quote]
You did this in another thread. There, I mentioned that training hard while doing sprints would burn more fat overall than training in the “target heart rate,” you came back with: “But you burn a greater percentage of fat in you stay in the target heart zone.” But the point I made (which was clear) was that worrying about the proportion of fat was counter-productive, and worrying about total fat burned was what was really important.[/quote]

Again, dishonest. Here is the post I made. Read the whole thing, please.

"Well, you burn a higher percentage of fat when you’re just walking, compared to when you’re “sugar burning” for sprints.

What these people dont want to hear, though, is that your total calories burned during the sprints are greater, the amount of fat burned is greater, the EPOC is greater, and the resulting loss of adipose tissue will be greater.

All they want is reinforcement that they “shouldnt work too hard”.

The other classic case of this is the “after an hour you start burning muscle” mantra. Yes, this applies to steady state cardio, however, some assume it means if you’re inside the gym for anything more than an hour, you start burning muscle. "

Second paragraph.

What these people dont want to hear, though, is that your total calories burned during the sprints are greater, THE AMOUNT OF FAT BURNED IS GREATER, the EPOC is greater, and the resulting loss of adipose tissue will be greater.

So you just read the first line and ignored the rest of the post wherein

I WAS FUCKING AGREEING WITH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, BUT I STARTED BY EXPLAINING THE POOR LOGIC THEY USE.

You misinterpreted my post because you only responded to a small portion of it completely out of context. You owe me an apology.

Allow me to fix your post.

[quote]matt_t2004 wrote:

Meal 1:
1 whole egg, 1/2 cup of egg whites, 1/4 cup fat free cheese, 1/2 cup breakstone’s live bacteria cottage cheese. 1/2 grapefruit, 1/2 cup old fashioned oats, 1/4 cup almonds.

Meal 2: pre w/o
a scoop of protein powder

Meal 3: post w/o
a protein shake

Meal 4:
a salad

Meal 5:
a couple eggs and strawberries.

Meal 6:
Chicken and vegetables.

Meal 7:
a little bit of cottage cheese and peanut butter.

plus 1 fish oil tablet with every meal (WHOOPIE!!!)

[/quote]

A salad is not a meal. I don’t care care what fraction of a can of tuna you put on it.

You need more food. Meal#1 was alright, but it still looks lacking in overall calories.

Either double what you are eating or stop eating like a girl and get some more calorically dense foods(less health food).

Some suggestions: Lots of pasta, lots of bread, lots of milk. Beef won’t kill you.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
<<< Why 1/2 a cup of egge whites and not simply several whole eggs? >>>

Why not some meat? Fish? Chicken? Why the almost total avoidance of fat outside of “tablets” (this here is very telling) and yes some whole eggs. This reads like an early 90’s fat free Fitness America Pageant lab experiment.

.[/quote]

Good post. He seems to be afraid of fat and carbs imho. What carbs he is getting is comming from veggies. Which doesn’t equate to a whole lot.

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<< I’m sorry for wasting your time with such ignorance. It wont happen again. Take care.

You’re getting a little touchy and taking these comments too personally. While they were directed at you in this instance, try to understand that this stuff has been coming up like every 30 seconds for a while now. Nobody is saying there’s anything wrong with learning or being knowledgeable, who would try to defend rank ignorance?

It’s just that so many people nowadays accumulate information instead of muscle. The point is, mastering lingo and canned ideas isn’t helping most of these guys and it does wear thin pretty quick. Information is great and there’s plenty of it here, but guys try to know there way forward many times drastically overcomplicating things to their own detriment.

I understand.

[/quote]

You should have stopped there. :slight_smile:

Let me put it this way:

Just grow a thicker skin.

Don’t take it as an insult, because it isn’t, it is advice.

Your goal should be to train hard, by doing just this one thing everything else will fall into place because at some point you will try heavier weight, more or less reps/sets, different movements. Eventually you will plateau, try different things, ask for advice (here and hopefully from people in your gym that get results) and you will break the plateau and on and on…

By the way, if you’re doing it right you’ll realize in 3-6 months that you weren’t really training that hard now.

[quote]Ruggerlife wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<< I’m sorry for wasting your time with such ignorance. It wont happen again. Take care.

You’re getting a little touchy and taking these comments too personally. While they were directed at you in this instance, try to understand that this stuff has been coming up like every 30 seconds for a while now. Nobody is saying there’s anything wrong with learning or being knowledgeable, who would try to defend rank ignorance?

It’s just that so many people nowadays accumulate information instead of muscle. The point is, mastering lingo and canned ideas isn’t helping most of these guys and it does wear thin pretty quick. Information is great and there’s plenty of it here, but guys try to know there way forward many times drastically overcomplicating things to their own detriment.

I understand.

You should have stopped there. :slight_smile:

Let me put it this way:

Just grow a thicker skin.

Don’t take it as an insult, because it isn’t, it is advice.

Your goal should be to train hard, by doing just this one thing everything else will fall into place because at some point you will try heavier weight, more or less reps/sets, different movements. Eventually you will plateau, try different things, ask for advice (here and hopefully from people in your gym that get results) and you will break the plateau and on and on…

By the way, if you’re doing it right you’ll realize in 3-6 months that you weren’t really training that hard now. [/quote]

Perhaps you’re right. I also need to remember some things. Like one of the four agreements, “Don’t take anything personally”.

And, also, from Bruce Lee: Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless.

Lessons learned: Lift hard, eat smart. Dont dogmatically follow what anyone else says, listen to my body and do what works for me. Experiment, but don’t rely on a technique or protocol to give me results: Results come from hard work.