[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
Pulling is pulling, pushing is pushing. External rotation is NOT pulling. Chins are NOT pushing.[/quote]
You’re hopeless and majoring in the minor. I don’t think anyone can help you here.
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
Pulling is pulling, pushing is pushing. External rotation is NOT pulling. Chins are NOT pushing.[/quote]
Don’t try to be such a know it all arrogant prick. It’s worse cause you don’t know it all. You not only need to read stuff to do smarter training, but keep an open mind and try different things as well. Good life advice really.
And everything VT said works. I used to have a really messed up external rotator. Supraspinitus on my right side to be specific. And it was doing stuff like VT mentioned that got me past it. It rarely flares up now and it only happens when I veer away from good programming.
VTTrainer said you can’t pull more than you press. Somehow, this seems really illogical. VT also said chin-ups aren’t a “pull”… I’d rather take Mike Boyle’s opinion on chins.
Chin-ups aren’t “pulling”?.. Seriously?
And, of course it’s completely impossible to just row like crazy, but press very little, and as such be much better at pulling than at pressing… every human in the world is bound to press much more than he pulls (in terms of volume)…
Also, as I said a few posts earlier, I DON’T have pain while benching with shoulders “back”, and also, my shoulders don’t crackle, don’t grind, and the position feels VERY stable, compared to both “down and back” and “up and back”.
Maybe my “shoulders back” is someone else’s “down and back”? (rethorical question)
Just as that “keep your spine arched” advice that was in every article (not necessarily on this site) 7 years ago got me into deep shit, because at 17 I could and would hyperextend my spine like in the cobra stretch… while squatting and deadlifting… and this lead to a lot of pain. Once I understood “neutral spine”, everything went fine.
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
VTTrainer said you can’t pull more than you press. Somehow, this seems really illogical. VT also said chin-ups aren’t a “pull”… I’d rather take Mike Boyle’s opinion on chins.
Chin-ups aren’t “pulling”?.. Seriously?
And, of course it’s completely impossible to just row like crazy, but press very little, and as such be much better at pulling than at pressing… every human in the world is bound to press much more than he pulls (in terms of volume)…
Also, as I said a few posts earlier, I DON’T have pain while benching with shoulders “back”, and also, my shoulders don’t crackle, don’t grind, and the position feels VERY stable, compared to both “down and back” and “up and back”.
Maybe my “shoulders back” is someone else’s “down and back”? (rethorical question)
Just as that “keep your spine arched” advice that was in every article (not necessarily on this site) 7 years ago got me into deep shit, because at 17 I could and would hyperextend my spine like in the cobra stretch… while squatting and deadlifting… and this lead to a lot of pain. Once I understood “neutral spine”, everything went fine.
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“Everyone will have some degree of interenal rotation”-Louie Simmons
That is how the body works. The 4 external rotators will never be as strong as the pecs and lats, especially not all 6 internal rotators. I’m not arguing small details like certain terms for chins vs. rows and what trainer said what. To make it real simple for you pulls are rowing and push is bench press. Following along?
Now another important detail is the shoulder anatomy. The proper way to bench is scaps down. This sets the humerus down in a safe position and reduces the risk of impingement. If your scaps were located on top of the shoulder instead of on the ribcage you would be gold, but its not, so neither are you. I was in your position a while ago, I suggest you do as I did: listen and shut your mouth.
I’m sorry for the semi-straw man, but you say “pulling” when you actually mean “external rotation”.
One can turn close grip cable rows in an exercise which uses the subscapularis, by pulling all the way and flaring the elbows a little. So you can get internal rotation with rows, too.
Also, which are the four ext. rotators? I only know of three (infraspinatus, teres minor, rear delt), and am genuinely curious which is the fourth (yes,I mean it).
Thanks.
I believe he is referring to the supraspinatus which is synergistic with the deltoid.
In This Thread: OP ignores advice while arguing semantics.
The only actually useful (not thought of it before/not read about it before) piece of advice I got was from GruntOrama, and that was to NOT force my shoulder blades down, but just pull them back and flex the lats.
Also, thank you GruntOrama for the supraspinatus part.
Anyway,
I’ve found my answer (shoulders just “back”)
/thread
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
The only actually useful (not thought of it before/not read about it before) piece of advice I got was from GruntOrama, and that was to NOT force my shoulder blades down, but just pull them back and flex the lats.
Also, thank you GruntOrama for the supraspinatus part.
Anyway,
I’ve found my answer (shoulders just “back”)
/thread[/quote]
You’re hopeless ,
hey stern, google rotatoreleiver, you may have weak rotators, also if you watch the older benchers they pull shoulders back straight.
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
Pic of OP posing in his dirty bathroom.[/quote]
This doesn’t prove your point. I see lat developement but your rear delts are still small…
Also, can’t tell if in troll thread or not
Well, 4th session of benching (2nd week)… shoulders are (still) perfectly fine… my elbows are starting to bug me, though. lol
Then again, who cares about elbows and knees, it’s the spine and shoulders that matter.
Buy some elbow sleeves