For me they’re perfectly balanced. My maximum benchpress equals my maximum pulldown.
I dont’t think it matters inless your workout is like 10 sets of bench and one set of pulldowns or you are ultra strong since everyone has a different build that will make them stronger at different stuff so most strength levels will not be the same when your in balance.
bench 100kg x 5
chin 95 x 5
thats comfortable(don’t know 1 rep max)
always try to train pull and push equally.works for me.
Scott Mendelson benched 700 raw.
I doubt we’ll ever see someone do a chin-up with 400 added pounds. So, when maxing out, it looks like benching has more potential than chins.
On the other hand, you can look at Matt K’s 25-rep Dumbbell Rows with 225 and argue that
when it comes to reps, the upper back and lats can handle more weight than benching. Sure, Matt K is really, really strong but I don’t think he could match his Dumbbell rows by benching 500lbs for 25 reps.
Trying to keep Bench and Chins or Bench and Rows matched up is still a good idea. People tend to place far too much attention on Bench than they do on Back exercises.
I think that it’s probably best to try and keep your 8-12RM for Chins and Bench matching up.
But really, if you just try to do your best on every “money lift” and use good form, then you’ll end up being balanced.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
Scott Mendelson benched 700 raw.
I doubt we’ll ever see someone do a chin-up with 400 added pounds. So, when maxing out, it looks like benching has more potential than chins.[/quote]
Meh, I don’t think so. I think it’s somewhat culturally determined right now. Nobody has pursued max chinup strength as much as powerlifters and average joes are pursuing the bench. What if chinups suddenly become as popular as benching? What if they’re both trained to death? Which one will be stronger?
Just some random thoughts.
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
Meh, I don’t think so. I think it’s somewhat culturally determined right now. Nobody has pursued max chinup strength as much as powerlifters and average joes are pursuing the bench. What if chinups suddenly become as popular as benching? What if they’re both trained to death? Which one will be stronger?
Just some random thoughts.[/quote]
If you’re thick enough, the ROM for the bench press can really be cut down.
Your Scapula are static in the bench press but they must move in a chin-up.
You can’t improve your chinning power with leg drive.
There’s no stretch-reflex with a chin-up.
With proper form, more muscle mass is used in the bench press than the chin-up and the distance the weight travels is shorter.
Weighted Chins for a max might be able to overtake overhead pressing. Overhead pressing isn’t much more popular than Chinning, but consider that…
Serge Redding pressed (not jerked) 502lbs.
And Markus Rühl overhead pressed 572lbs in a smith machine. I don’t care that he used a machine and was seated. I don’t care if he leaned back so much that some people would consider it a High-Incline Bench. That’s still fucking incredible. When this guy started working out when he was 16 he was only 120lbs. Wow.
I think the only way to really put this to rest would be to test gymnasts in the weighted chin. I imagine that whomever would be the best at weighted chins is probably the strongest on the Rings.
I just thought of something, I was in gymnastics from ages 8-12 and we did tons of chin/pull-up work.
Even though that was years ago do you think my CNS “remembers” the movement making it more efficient even though it’s recruiting the same amount of muscle as the bench?
[quote]LiftSmart wrote:
I just thought of something, I was in gymnastics from ages 8-12 and we did tons of chin/pull-up work.
Even though that was years ago do you think my CNS “remembers” the movement making it more efficient even though it’s recruiting the same amount of muscle as the bench?[/quote]
Yeah.
245lbs bench max
250lbs pull downs for 6 reps
i prefer to pull, can u tell