I’m not completely sure of your goals but what ‘Petricor’ said is a good idea. Although if you are a complete novice and don’t have any experience in the gym that would be really difficult still. What I say to a complete novice is get a coach/personal trainer or an experience gym veteran to help you out in the begining and get you started on the proper foot.
[quote]duls wrote:
I’m not completely sure of your goals but what ‘Petricor’ said is a good idea. Although if you are a complete novice and don’t have any experience in the gym that would be really difficult still. What I say to a complete novice is get a coach/personal trainer or an experience gym veteran to help you out in the begining and get you started on the proper foot.[/quote]
Well, its kinda like this…I played football in highschool, got to be one of the bigger kids in my school (we were a small school, division 6 if anyone knows how small that is), lost drive and stopped going to the gym after football ended, picked up cycling (as you know, no weights and lots of cardio will make you small again), and now im looking to re-evaluate my fitness goals as I have found a lot of time in college that isnt being used (unlike last year), and am trying to pick up some new methods of training that fit those goals. I am attacking it as a total noob, because believe it or not, I had no idea how mistaken my strength training program at my highschool really was, and since that was all I knew, I am trying to restart on the right foot.
New Years resolution number one is to make myself a priority and get back to work, instead of sitting around being lazy and average. I stated my goals in a post earlier in this thread ^^^
To respond to your post though, no it will not be my first time lifting, however, it will be my first time doing things correctly (or at least taking steps in the right direction as I know I still have a lot to learn).
Ah I guess I answered this in my other post in GreatAjax’s thread but yeah. My bottom half has seen almost all of the gains from SS; upper body measurements have stayed largely the same, that is, they are no bigger than in March. However, for me this was “good”, as my legs were underdeveloped.
Funny I have been doing a SSish program for 5 months
only main SS lifts - no extras but only twice a week
Biggest gains in the mirror have been upper body - trunk and shoulders
Little prior lifting exp (odd 12 month commercial gym membership)
Bottom half looks little different though stronger
Age 52
BW 105kg Weight has stayed the same but am a bit thinner
Eating a lot more
Est BF 17% (FWIW)
DL 125kg (plenty left)
SQ 107.5 (prior lifetime PR 75 for 1)(close to stalling)
BCH 82.5 (close to stalling)
Press 62.5 (close to stalling)
BB Rows 62.5 (recently started these)
Work - Desk with keyboard
Well officially, I have started my get pissed phase. As soon as I get back to college (free weight room and all you can eat food), I am going to get to work. And this year, I’m not going to take no for an answer anymore. Thanks everyone.
-Zep
It’s common for uneducated bodybuilders such as mr.popular to assume SS is unbalanced. However, actually reading the fucking book may help cure that stupidity.
Here’s what some of the actual knowledgable folks have to say about it: SS Unbalanced?
Enjoy your v-taper mr.dumbass.
[quote]PlasmaShock wrote:
It’s common for uneducated bodybuilders such as mr.popular to assume SS is unbalanced. However, actually reading the fucking book may help cure that stupidity.
Here’s what some of the actual knowledgable folks have to say about it: SS Unbalanced?
Enjoy your v-taper mr.dumbass.[/quote]
Those people were hilarious. Thanks you for the New Years Day luls.
BTW, where are your pics? Actually, I would like to see the pics of those ridiculously strong, incredibly balanced people posting on that site as well.
I train PLENTY of clients, as well as myself. I have NEVER written a program like starting strength, it IS unbalanced, and DOES neglect certain body parts. It has a good base, but don’t follow it to a T, or you will end up injured, or weak in certain areas.
Those people are bashing just for the sake of bashing, and couldn’t see a balanced program if it was fucking them in the face.
What do I know, I am just a “stoopid bodybuilder” (at a tiny 195 lbs and more education in this area then most of those followers will have in a lifetime.)
Go back to sucking their internet dicks.
[quote]Im_New_Feed_Me wrote:
[quote]PlasmaShock wrote:
It’s common for uneducated bodybuilders such as mr.popular to assume SS is unbalanced. However, actually reading the fucking book may help cure that stupidity.
Here’s what some of the actual knowledgable folks have to say about it: SS Unbalanced?
Enjoy your v-taper mr.dumbass.[/quote]
Those people were hilarious. Thanks you for the New Years Day luls.
BTW, where are your pics? Actually, I would like to see the pics of those ridiculously strong, incredibly balanced people posting on that site as well.
I train PLENTY of clients, as well as myself. I have NEVER written a program like starting strength, it IS unbalanced, and DOES neglect certain body parts. It has a good base, but don’t follow it to a T, or you will end up injured, or weak in certain areas.
Those people are bashing just for the sake of bashing, and couldn’t see a balanced program if it was fucking them in the face.
What do I know, I am just a “stoopid bodybuilder” (at a tiny 195 lbs and more education in this area then most of those followers will have in a lifetime.)
Go back to sucking their internet dicks.[/quote]
Besides the complete lack of stats/pics/videos on that forum, my favorite part was when they somehow concluded that I must not squat at all, and that bodybuilders don’t use compound lifts.
[quote]Im_New_Feed_Me wrote:
[quote]PlasmaShock wrote:
It’s common for uneducated bodybuilders such as mr.popular to assume SS is unbalanced. However, actually reading the fucking book may help cure that stupidity.
Here’s what some of the actual knowledgable folks have to say about it: SS Unbalanced?
Enjoy your v-taper mr.dumbass.[/quote]
Those people were hilarious. Thanks you for the New Years Day luls.
BTW, where are your pics? Actually, I would like to see the pics of those ridiculously strong, incredibly balanced people posting on that site as well.
I train PLENTY of clients, as well as myself. I have NEVER written a program like starting strength, it IS unbalanced, and DOES neglect certain body parts. It has a good base, but don’t follow it to a T, or you will end up injured, or weak in certain areas.
Those people are bashing just for the sake of bashing, and couldn’t see a balanced program if it was fucking them in the face.
What do I know, I am just a “stoopid bodybuilder” (at a tiny 195 lbs and more education in this area then most of those followers will have in a lifetime.)
Go back to sucking their internet dicks.[/quote]
Lulz. Of course you’d never train your clients with a SS program because either you are a body builder who’s main goal is to increase muscle mass(which obviously interfers with the goal of SS) or you don’t have the slightest clue on actual program.
The new starting strength 5X5 manual has a heap of before and after pics and stats
Also a 20,000 member web site (many with logs and no need to join to view) from which to check what works best for the internet crowd (us)
[quote]PlasmaShock wrote:
[quote]Im_New_Feed_Me wrote:
[quote]PlasmaShock wrote:
It’s common for uneducated bodybuilders such as mr.popular to assume SS is unbalanced. However, actually reading the fucking book may help cure that stupidity.
Here’s what some of the actual knowledgable folks have to say about it: SS Unbalanced?
Enjoy your v-taper mr.dumbass.[/quote]
Those people were hilarious. Thanks you for the New Years Day luls.
BTW, where are your pics? Actually, I would like to see the pics of those ridiculously strong, incredibly balanced people posting on that site as well.
I train PLENTY of clients, as well as myself. I have NEVER written a program like starting strength, it IS unbalanced, and DOES neglect certain body parts. It has a good base, but don’t follow it to a T, or you will end up injured, or weak in certain areas.
Those people are bashing just for the sake of bashing, and couldn’t see a balanced program if it was fucking them in the face.
What do I know, I am just a “stoopid bodybuilder” (at a tiny 195 lbs and more education in this area then most of those followers will have in a lifetime.)
Go back to sucking their internet dicks.[/quote]
Lulz. Of course you’d never train your clients with a SS program because either you are a body builder who’s main goal is to increase muscle mass(which obviously interfers with the goal of SS) or you don’t have the slightest clue on actual program.
[/quote]
All this coming from a guy that stated one of his goals was to “loose my butt”?
[quote]PlasmaShock wrote:
[quote]Im_New_Feed_Me wrote:
[quote]PlasmaShock wrote:
It’s common for uneducated bodybuilders such as mr.popular to assume SS is unbalanced. However, actually reading the fucking book may help cure that stupidity.
Here’s what some of the actual knowledgable folks have to say about it: SS Unbalanced?
Enjoy your v-taper mr.dumbass.[/quote]
Those people were hilarious. Thanks you for the New Years Day luls.
BTW, where are your pics? Actually, I would like to see the pics of those ridiculously strong, incredibly balanced people posting on that site as well.
I train PLENTY of clients, as well as myself. I have NEVER written a program like starting strength, it IS unbalanced, and DOES neglect certain body parts. It has a good base, but don’t follow it to a T, or you will end up injured, or weak in certain areas.
Those people are bashing just for the sake of bashing, and couldn’t see a balanced program if it was fucking them in the face.
What do I know, I am just a “stoopid bodybuilder” (at a tiny 195 lbs and more education in this area then most of those followers will have in a lifetime.)
Go back to sucking their internet dicks.[/quote]
Lulz. Of course you’d never train your clients with a SS program because either you are a body builder who’s main goal is to increase muscle mass(which obviously interfers with the goal of SS) or you don’t have the slightest clue on actual program.
[/quote]
With this, ^^ - You obviously win. I can’t compete with this genius.
I’m loving the guy insulting people with the line ‘you train like a bodybuilder’
You noticed what site you’re on darling?
God’s sake one thing I hate more than squat rack curlers are Starting Strength zealots
Well I’ve attatched an image that describes why arguing anymore will just be futile.
I’m beyond training starting strength. Not a zealot, but I very much dislike people shooting their mouths off about it when they do not know how the program works.
That’s all.
[quote]PlasmaShock wrote:
Well I’ve attatched an image that describes why arguing anymore will just be futile.
I’m beyond training starting strength. Not a zealot, but I very much dislike people shooting their mouths off about it when they do not know how the program works.
That’s all.[/quote]
It isn’t like it’s a complicated program. What exactly do you think I’m missing?
[quote]mr popular wrote:
[quote]PlasmaShock wrote:
Well I’ve attatched an image that describes why arguing anymore will just be futile.
I’m beyond training starting strength. Not a zealot, but I very much dislike people shooting their mouths off about it when they do not know how the program works.
That’s all.[/quote]
It isn’t like it’s a complicated program. What exactly do you think I’m missing?[/quote]
Experience?
“Enjoy your v-taper mr.dumbass.” and “Go back to sucking their internet dicks.” have been my favourite lines so far
[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:
[quote]mr popular wrote:
[quote]PlasmaShock wrote:
Well I’ve attatched an image that describes why arguing anymore will just be futile.
I’m beyond training starting strength. Not a zealot, but I very much dislike people shooting their mouths off about it when they do not know how the program works.
That’s all.[/quote]
It isn’t like it’s a complicated program. What exactly do you think I’m missing?[/quote]
Experience?[/quote]
You realize that Mr. Popular has likely performed every exercise prescribed in SS right (beside the clean most likely)? What’s so magical about SS’s arrangement that supposedly builds muscle in all these areas that it leaves out?
Seriously, I don’t care . I just find him entertaining.
Mr popular and I did legs today, and he squatted 315, below parallel, with a normal stance, not extremely wide. He then went up to 365, and went to at least parallel, if not below (I wasn’t watching his depth as closely on this one, because I was more focused on making sure he didn’t need help). Guarantee that by the end of the year, and probably by the end of June, he’ll be squatting at least 405, below parallel. Talk about uneducated. Mr popular and I have been training together for five or six years now, and up until the last year or two, the majority of our focus, intensity, and interest was dedicated to training legs. People throw a lot of numbers around, but I personally would like to see the videos of all the critics, here and over there, squatting more than 3 plates to a respectable depth. I don’t see it much in person, and I don’t see it much here, despite what people like to say. Not only has he successfully built his body to this point, especially his legs, he’s spent even more time reading and learning about all things strength related (not just stupid bodybuilders) than he has lifting.