[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
Btw the reason i assumed was because you guys basically did the same to me but like i said before, 185lbs is too light and small for my goals.
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185 is too light for my goals as well. FWIW, I’m currently gaining weight. I weighed 195 yesterday. At my height, I believe I would need to weigh something around 240-260 to attain my ultimate goals. Unfortunately, to weigh that much, and have an equitable amount of strength, I would have to take amounts of drugs that I’m not willing to take. I want to be big and strong. Without the drugs, the desired strength would not accompany the size gains.
The mistake you made in your logic was that I’ve already reached my goal size and strength.[/quote]
You dont need drugs to get to those size and strength, my uncle was only 5’7 or 8 and he was 250+ in his prime and serously strong too and never touched a drug, he was a normal sized lad who got massive and strong in several years time…he weighs about about 215lbs these days but the lightest he we ever weigh was roughly 140lbs.
I know doug h went from 160 to 300lbs in 20 years, (guy did natural) but at 300lbs, he sure was carrring between 25% and 30% body fat.
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I obviously wasn’t clear. You’re making more assumptions. If I want to be a world record holder in powerlifting, large amounts of drugs would be required, because every world record holder in powerlifting has used drugs to get there, including many of the lifters in tested federations/events. I can promise you I won’t be squatting or deadlifting 800+ without the use of anabolic steroids. If I wanted to weigh 250 and lift the weights I’m currently lifting, obviously I would not need more drugs. But I certainly wouldn’t want to gain more weight if it wasn’t accompanied by a substantial jump in strength.
You’ve already demonstrated that you do not have a genetic predisposition to be strong. Otherwise, you would already be strong. Thus, if you want to be moving enormous weights, you will also need drugs at some point. You’re welcome to disagree though. It probably shouldn’t matter to me whether or not you realize this right now, since you should be able to make substantial progress without drugs for a long time.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
Btw the reason i assumed was because you guys basically did the same to me but like i said before, 185lbs is too light and small for my goals.
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185 is too light for my goals as well. FWIW, I’m currently gaining weight. I weighed 195 yesterday. At my height, I believe I would need to weigh something around 240-260 to attain my ultimate goals. Unfortunately, to weigh that much, and have an equitable amount of strength, I would have to take amounts of drugs that I’m not willing to take. I want to be big and strong. Without the drugs, the desired strength would not accompany the size gains.
The mistake you made in your logic was that I’ve already reached my goal size and strength.[/quote]
You dont need drugs to get to those size and strength, my uncle was only 5’7 or 8 and he was 250+ in his prime and serously strong too and never touched a drug, he was a normal sized lad who got massive and strong in several years time…he weighs about about 215lbs these days but the lightest he we ever weigh was roughly 140lbs.
I know doug h went from 160 to 300lbs in 20 years, (guy did natural) but at 300lbs, he sure was carrring between 25% and 30% body fat.
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I obviously wasn’t clear. You’re making more assumptions. If I want to be a world record holder in powerlifting, large amounts of drugs would be required, because every world record holder in powerlifting has used drugs to get there, including many of the lifters in tested federations/events. I can promise you I won’t be squatting or deadlifting 800+ without the use of anabolic steroids. If I wanted to weigh 250 and lift the weights I’m currently lifting, obviously I would not need more drugs. But I certainly wouldn’t want to gain more weight if it wasn’t accompanied by a substantial jump in strength.
You’ve already demonstrated that you do not have a genetic predisposition to be strong. Otherwise, you would already be strong. Thus, if you want to be moving enormous weights, you will also need drugs at some point. You’re welcome to disagree though. It probably shouldn’t matter to me whether or not you realize this right now, since you should be able to make substantial progress without drugs for a long time.
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Wow what a load of ignorant bullshit you are coming out with saying i need to be serously strong from the beginning (example: bench 300lbs for first time having never been near away) to get whwre i want to be…you do know its allways obvious from the get go of what you can do, some people make fast massive strength gains at the start and some guys make big strength gains years after training…am talking pro strongmen, powerlifters mr olympia bodybuilders etc as well as the levels below them…you sound like one of those guys who say ‘you will be like that without super genetics, steroids etc’
I bet schwarznegger when he told his friends that he wanted to be like reg park and they told him ‘you will never be like him as he is a genetic freak’ i bet he turned around and told them to fuck off too.
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
Wow what a load of ignorant bullshit you are coming out with saying i need to be serously strong from the beginning (example: bench 300lbs for first time having never been near away) to get whwre i want to be…you do know its allways obvious from the get go of what you can do, some people make fast massive strength gains at the start and some guys make big strength gains years after training…am talking pro strongmen, powerlifters mr olympia bodybuilders etc as well as the levels below them…you sound like one of those guys who say ‘you will be like that without super genetics, steroids etc’
I bet schwarznegger when he told his friends that he wanted to be like reg park and they told him ‘you will never be like him as he is a genetic freak’ i bet he turned around and told them to fuck off too.[/quote]
Have you considered that you may be the ignorant one? I don’t mean that as an insult at all.
Many people here, commenting on your thread, have far far more knowledge and experience than you.
Would it be fair to say that you might not know everything that they know?
If you were genetically predisposed to be strong, you’d already be strong. Nearly every person who competes and wins at the top echelon of strength sports started out “strong” from the beginning.
None of that means you can’t become many times stronger than you are now, and it doesn’t mean that you won’t be competitive at some point in time in the future.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
Wow what a load of ignorant bullshit you are coming out with saying i need to be serously strong from the beginning (example: bench 300lbs for first time having never been near away) to get whwre i want to be…you do know its allways obvious from the get go of what you can do, some people make fast massive strength gains at the start and some guys make big strength gains years after training…am talking pro strongmen, powerlifters mr olympia bodybuilders etc as well as the levels below them…you sound like one of those guys who say ‘you will be like that without super genetics, steroids etc’
I bet schwarznegger when he told his friends that he wanted to be like reg park and they told him ‘you will never be like him as he is a genetic freak’ i bet he turned around and told them to fuck off too.[/quote]
Have you considered that you may be the ignorant one? I don’t mean that as an insult at all.
Many people here, commenting on your thread, have far far more knowledge and experience than you.
Would it be fair to say that you might not know everything that they know?
If you were genetically predisposed to be strong, you’d already be strong. Nearly every person who competes and wins at the top echelon of strength sports started out “strong” from the beginning.
None of that means you can’t become many times stronger than you are now, and it doesn’t mean that you won’t be competitive at some point in time in the future.[/quote]
Yeah because sure those champions benched 300lbs as soon as they could walk (rolls eyes) notevery champion is extremely strong from the beginning infact schwarzenegger and many others (who are certainly more nowlegible then you and that idiot) have said its not allways obvious from the beginning…you are basically saying am doomed to be extremely weak and that my strength levels will just be hmmm average.
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
Wow what a load of ignorant bullshit you are coming out with saying i need to be serously strong from the beginning (example: bench 300lbs for first time having never been near away) to get whwre i want to be…you do know its allways obvious from the get go of what you can do, some people make fast massive strength gains at the start and some guys make big strength gains years after training…am talking pro strongmen, powerlifters mr olympia bodybuilders etc as well as the levels below them…you sound like one of those guys who say ‘you will be like that without super genetics, steroids etc’
I bet schwarznegger when he told his friends that he wanted to be like reg park and they told him ‘you will never be like him as he is a genetic freak’ i bet he turned around and told them to fuck off too.[/quote]
Man, when will you learn to stop trying to change peoples’ opinions? IT DOESN’T MATTER. Just let it go.
If the odds are against you, who cares. Just let it be. I want to compete in powerlifting at the national level and eventually international level. I have no genes for strength. I have never heard of a Laotian powerlifter at a high level or even one in strength sports in general. Nobody in my family history has lifted heavy for sports. All they did was farm back in the day. None of that matters to me. The beauty of powerlifting is that you don’t necessarily have to peak in your mid twenties. I’m giving myself at least 15-20 years to push myself as hard as possible doing my best not to cross that threshold for injury, to see how far I can get and I won’t admit that others are right until that time is up. I believe genetics only accounts for 5-10% of performance and the rest can be attained naturally, even if you have to scratch and crawl to get there.
People are entitled to their own opinions and I may be wrong, stupid or ignorant but that won’t stop me from fighting to reach my goal. You need to develop this mindset and let people think what they want. Develop the mental toughness and you won’t have any regrets no matter how far you get. Stop trying to change what people think about you. It shouldn’t phase you. If you want to compete at the highest level, you need to outwork everyone and have a solid game plan. That’s the only way you will stand a chance.
I was mean about OP’s (deficient) writing earlier, so I feel that I owe OP some advice:
Iceman, for the next week, track your daily caloric intake and write it down in a food log. No, you don’t need to do this for the rest of forever, but you need to do it for a week. Why?
Because it’s too easy to think that you’re ‘eating big’ without actually putting in the numbers. Track intake for a week, get to grips with what actual ‘big eating’ looks like and then continue to eat that way for a few years. Maybe get some macronutrient numbers too, if you’re interested.
Once you’ve done this, post the log on your thread, here. Quite simply, if you can do it, then you may have a chance at your goals. If you can’t pull off this task (one week of discipline), then you will never achieve ‘bear mode’.
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
Wow what a load of ignorant bullshit you are coming out with saying i need to be serously strong from the beginning (example: bench 300lbs for first time having never been near away) to get whwre i want to be…you do know its allways obvious from the get go of what you can do, some people make fast massive strength gains at the start and some guys make big strength gains years after training…am talking pro strongmen, powerlifters mr olympia bodybuilders etc as well as the levels below them…you sound like one of those guys who say ‘you will be like that without super genetics, steroids etc’
I bet schwarznegger when he told his friends that he wanted to be like reg park and they told him ‘you will never be like him as he is a genetic freak’ i bet he turned around and told them to fuck off too.[/quote]
Have you considered that you may be the ignorant one? I don’t mean that as an insult at all.
Many people here, commenting on your thread, have far far more knowledge and experience than you.
Would it be fair to say that you might not know everything that they know?
If you were genetically predisposed to be strong, you’d already be strong. Nearly every person who competes and wins at the top echelon of strength sports started out “strong” from the beginning.
None of that means you can’t become many times stronger than you are now, and it doesn’t mean that you won’t be competitive at some point in time in the future.[/quote]
Yeah because sure those champions benched 300lbs as soon as they could walk (rolls eyes) notevery champion is extremely strong from the beginning infact schwarzenegger and many others (who are certainly more nowlegible then you and that idiot) have said its not allways obvious from the beginning…you are basically saying am doomed to be extremely weak and that my strength levels will just be hmmm average.
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But you’re a drama queen. That makes you a girly man. Arnold was no girly man.
Arnold didn’t skip meals.
Arnold went AWOL when he was in the army to take part in a bodybuilding competition knowing he would be charged when he returned.
At this stage you just need to put in straight hard work . Arnold trained balls out 5-7 days a week at your age.
You started this thread 8 weeks ago. If you applied the information given to you on the first page you could have put on 10 pounds, maybe even 20 if you really hammered all the bases.
Somehow you’ve actually lost weight.
Get off Reg Park and do something different, -kingbeef, a Dan John program, Waterbury,anything.
This dude, Bolo Yeung the Ultimate Badass, swam 5 miles from communist China to Hongkong in the middle of the night after evading armed guards and attack dogs to be a bodybuilder in the late 60s.
Lions conjugate with him.
[quote]RampantBadger wrote:
At this stage you just need to put in straight hard work . Arnold trained balls out 5-7 days a week at your age.
You started this thread 8 weeks ago. If you applied the information given to you on the first page you could have put on 10 pounds, maybe even 20 if you really hammered all the bases.
Somehow you’ve actually lost weight.
Get off Reg Park and do something different, -kingbeef, a Dan John program, Waterbury,anything. [/quote]
Yup. This is what everyone is trying to telling him.
But he would rather go on and on about “doing whatever it takes to reach his goals” and blame others for planting seeds in his head without having even achieved any minor results to speak of.
This seems to be the problem with his generation. All talk.
Talk is cheap.
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
…you are basically saying am doomed to be extremely weak and that my strength levels will just be hmmm average.
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Actually, I said you can be several times stronger than you currently are, and may eventually be a competitor.
But sure, read it however you want.
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:notevery champion is extremely strong from the beginning infact schwarzenegger and many others (who are certainly more nowlegible then you and that idiot) have said its not allways obvious from the beginning…you are basically saying am doomed to be extremely weak and that my strength levels will just be hmmm average.
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um, they kinda are. Doug Hepburn and all those dudes you jerk off to would’ve been way stronger than the average dude right from the get go.
See that pic of Arnie when he was in his teens?
No one said you were doomed to be extremely weak or whatever but if you are as much of a pussy in the gym as you have been in this thread…
But enough talk! Lift something! Eat something!
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:notevery champion is extremely strong from the beginning infact schwarzenegger and many others (who are certainly more nowlegible then you and that idiot) have said its not allways obvious from the beginning…you are basically saying am doomed to be extremely weak and that my strength levels will just be hmmm average.
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um, they kinda are. Doug Hepburn and all those dudes you jerk off to would’ve been way stronger than the average dude right from the get go.
See that pic of Arnie when he was in his teens?
No one said you were doomed to be extremely weak or whatever but if you are as much of a pussy in the gym as you have been in this thread…
But enough talk! Lift something! Eat something![/quote]
You know what? There are obviously plenty of guys who start out very skinny/weak who achieve very respectable strength levels. The first time I tried to bench an empty 45 lb bar, at 18 years old, I shook like I had Parkinson’s. So I spent years developing my strength, and putting on bodyweight to get where I am today.
The very first time I posted on a lifting forum was after I’d been lifting for about 8 years. 8 fucking years of listening and reading and lifting. It took me that long before I felt like I had anything worthwhile to add to these discussions.
OP, you should consider doing the same. At this point, your knowledge is severely lacking, and you are not a worthwhile contributor. Maybe one day you will be.
I’m late checking back in here but did we ever figure out how to achieve bear mode naturally but without a bunch of bodyfat?
[quote]cparker wrote:
I’m late checking back in here but did we ever figure out how to achieve bear mode naturally but without a bunch of bodyfat?[/quote]
I feel like the answer is probably tuna and ramen.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:notevery champion is extremely strong from the beginning infact schwarzenegger and many others (who are certainly more nowlegible then you and that idiot) have said its not allways obvious from the beginning…you are basically saying am doomed to be extremely weak and that my strength levels will just be hmmm average.
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um, they kinda are. Doug Hepburn and all those dudes you jerk off to would’ve been way stronger than the average dude right from the get go.
See that pic of Arnie when he was in his teens?
No one said you were doomed to be extremely weak or whatever but if you are as much of a pussy in the gym as you have been in this thread…
But enough talk! Lift something! Eat something![/quote]
You know what? There are obviously plenty of guys who start out very skinny/weak who achieve very respectable strength levels. The first time I tried to bench an empty 45 lb bar, at 18 years old, I shook like I had Parkinson’s. So I spent years developing my strength, and putting on bodyweight to get where I am today.
The very first time I posted on a lifting forum was after I’d been lifting for about 8 years. 8 fucking years of listening and reading and lifting. It took me that long before I felt like I had anything worthwhile to add to these discussions.
OP, you should consider doing the same. At this point, your knowledge is severely lacking, and you are not a worthwhile contributor. Maybe one day you will be.[/quote]
You think am i lack knowledge because am a beginner? that is both stupid and ignorant to suggest such a thing…i am not one of those guys who dos curls every day, thinks the latest program or supplement will get fast results blah blah blah but i did use to believe in that bollocksuntill i learned about compounds, eating big etc.
I am not claiming to be mr know it all too or a person with years of knowledge because i am not and even i did, i will be still learning…am just saying that not all beginners are naive or weak for that matter.
Also schwarznegger was talking about guys (including champions and elite levels)who were skinny and weak at the start but years later when they reached a certain age, the size and strength came very fast…some of these slow devolopers topped the fast devolopers strength and dize levels.
Basically your weak at the beginning, it dos not mean you have crap size or strength genetics, it just means your a slow developer as even fast growers can have bad genetics in years time as in hitting too many platues etc
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
You think am i lack knowledge because am a beginner? that is both stupid and ignorant to suggest such a thing…
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Prove us wrong then.
Come back in a year when you weigh 225 pounds, squat 225 for 5, bench 185 for 5, and deadlift 315 for 5. That might demonstrate your knowledge is translating to actual results. And those things are absolutely achievable for a beginner; if anything, they’re probably on the low side of what someone training for a year should achieve (if they have your stated goals of the “Bear Mode” physique).