[quote]FightingScott wrote:
Wrah wrote:
[quote=FightingScott] I think if he was on drugs, he’d be a lot bigger.
Same goes for Ronnie Coleman.
What? I don’t get what you’re saying. Are you mocking me by saying Ronnie Coleman would be a lot bigger if he was on drugs?
This kid is pretty small for someone who can squat 765. He weights about 230 in that video. He could surely cut water weight and get in the 100kg class EASY. He could also adopt a Wider-Stance Powerlifting Style Squat and he could use some APT Knee Wraps as well. [/quote] Maybe he does mostly ME/low rep work and stays relatively “small” due to that? [quote]
Put all that together and the adrenaline of a meet situation and we have someone who might be able to squat 800+ Raw in the 100kg class.
Oh, shit. Now whose someone that’s really big and really lean but also squats 800? Ronnie Coleman! But Ronnie weighed about 300 pounds when he Squatted 800X2. That’s an 80 pound difference in bodyweight.
[/quote] Ronnie used a narrow stance and knees out in front, didn’t he? He also walked out of a regular squat rack to do it… But then again he used a suit. Dunno man, but I can squat way more with a regular stance. With knees out in front I feel like my knees are going to burst any second. [quote]
Ronnie is big for someone who squats 800X2. That’s in large part due to his using steroids and growth hormone - even though he got brutally strong his size outpaced his strength in the rate at which it progressed (which is what any bodybuilder should want).
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Steroids and growth hormone… Test helps you get stronger faster (easier strength gain even with higher reps in Ronnie’s case, guys with a crap routine will still gain some strength despite the routine holding them back… up to a point. It’s the base of every proper cylce…), insulin helps to really fill the muscles out and add another 20 lbs or so (the real big difference to the 80’s)… Growth hormone more or less helps hold the guy together etc…
Gear doesn’t actually make you bigger just like that (except for insulin with a huge carb intake afterwards)… It just helps you via other things (protein uptake improvements or anything like that are part of the “get you stronger faster” thing).
Also:
Ronnie mostly works with high reps (higher than most other bodybuilders, 10-15 or down to 8 reps on some big movements… He only goes low rep for the camera)…
You guys are referring to low-rep strength/max strength which is something that a bodybuilder usually doesn’t care about and doesn’t train for. Ronnie could likely squat more for a double if he actually trained for that and used PL form… But how is that going to help his quad growth, which is what he’s after when squatting?
If you look at the the video dude’s 100lb alt. db curls things are put into perspective… He really does cheat his ass off here while using the bent-over curl style (easier than the classic style)… Bigger guys curling the 90’s or 100’s with 20+ inch arms use the classic style (turning the thing into more of a standing preacher curl and really getting into each rep) with less cheating than this guy…
And his biceps reflect that.
Not dissing him, mind you.
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But this kid obviously isn’t seeing the same size gains from squatting the HEAVIER weights that pro bodybuilders are. That’s not because the pros have “muscle maturity.”
“Muscle Maturity” isn’t enough of a reason why Victor Martinez’s 500lb Quarter Squats for 8 reps have given him much larger legs than this kid who could probably front squat 550 and bury it each rep.[/quote]
Again, bodybuilders work with 5+ reps pretty much exclusively…
Martinez and Ronnie are gifted guys (not as much as the weirdo Dillet, but still. You usually see that kind of person surpass everyone else who trains hard in the same gym with ease. Genetics, not drugs in this case.). Rather look at Yates for comparison.
I’m a little surprised at Martinez’ squats I must say… He really does squat very high… Again with knees out in front, though, like Ronnie… Which is more of a quad thing than “proper” squats.
Hell, Paul Dillet curled what, a 65 lbs EZ ? And he got 22-24 inch arms… That has absolutely nothing to do with gear, he was flat out the most genetically “gifted” guy ever… To the point where it made him look idiotic (pinhead) at times…
Again, look at guys with average genetics like Yates who really had to think about how to train for comparison.
Add to that: Dante has commented on quad growth in most people being faster/better with 20-50 reps… Hence the quad widowmaker as standard procedure even on the DC 2-way. A lot of bodybuilders (yates too, if I remember correctly, or hell, even a gifted guy like Platz) work with 15 or more reps on quad exercises… Even if the guy in the vid occasionally does some 8-10 rep assistance work, he’s likely not going to get freaky quads out of that. Or check Gerdy’s recent quad improvement and how he got there…
Also, there’s been some mention of young guys having trouble with arm growth which improves later on… Dante talked about that over at IM.
Not sure what I think about that, but hey…
Sorry to clutter the thread up with bb talk, just trying to help clarify stuff…
