Bashing of Bodybuilders: Why?

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s not pleasing to the eye for a good many people. I’m talking about physiques closer to Pro-bodybuilders, and not what your typical non-juicing (but dedicated lifter) is going to achieve. For alot of people there’s a point were that “strong, muscular” physique moves into freakish side-show territory.

Like something they’d expect to see standing alongside the bearded lady, or the world’s smallest man. You’re as likely to change how they feel, as to convince this site to put up images of obese chicks in skimpy outfits. Some things just aren’t going to be pleasing to everyone’s eye, and might even be considered “freakish” looking.

I could understand saying something like that if this were Men’s Health.com, or AverageJoe.com and not a site which promotes itself as a BB’ing site. On a BB’ing site you’d think, obviously erroneously, that the people coming to that site might, just might be into BB’ing and might have different ideas of what the term “freakish” means. Heck, I’d love to be “freakish” and I think that most other serious guys on here would probably feel the same way.

As far as the fat chicks in skimpy outfits, this isn’t heffer-nation.com “the worlds largest chucky chaser website”, so again that example doesn’t really hold much water in this context. ;)[/quote]

Ok, I was talking more about the world at large, and not just this site. And that’s fine if you want to look freakish to the average person. Just remember that you WANTED to look freakish and be glad for the freaked out reactions. But, the bodybuilder emotional support posts are sort of, um, silly.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
I could understand saying something like that if this were Men’s Health.com, or AverageJoe.com and not a site which promotes itself as a BB’ing site. On a BB’ing site you’d think, obviously erroneously, that the people coming to that site might, just might be into BB’ing and might have different ideas of what the term “freakish” means. Heck, I’d love to be “freakish” and I think that most other serious guys on here would probably feel the same way.

As far as the fat chicks in skimpy outfits, this isn’t heffer-nation.com “the worlds largest chucky chaser website”, so again that example doesn’t really hold much water in this context. ;)[/quote]

It does surprise me somewhat that people come on here and openly state that “size isn’t where it’s at”. I know of at least 5 different posters who I’ve clashed with over this issue. While I accept powerlifting is not about size, I hardly think powerlifters are going to be small.

Meh, now I’m rambling.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Ok, I was talking more about the world at large, and not just this site. And that’s fine if you want to look freakish to the average person. Just remember that you WANTED to look freakish and be glad for the freaked out reactions. But, the bodybuilder emotional support posts are sort of, um, silly.[/quote]

Hold me.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:

As far as the fat chicks in skimpy outfits, this isn’t heffer-nation.com “the worlds largest chucky chaser website”, so again that example doesn’t really hold much water in this context. :wink:

The point was about changing minds on what is attractive.

Were we talking about trying to change people’s minds about what is attractive? Maybe we were and my reading comprehension just sucks. But I was under the impression that the thread was about why you PT’s feel the need to rip on BB’ers. Especially those who write for a BB’ing website.[/quote]

I believe the topic expanded out to include a larger population than just PT’s, before the second page. That’s how I read the majority of the responses, at least. Oh, I’m not a PT, by the way.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Ok, I was talking more about the world at large, and not just this site. And that’s fine if you want to look freakish to the average person. Just remember that you WANTED to look freakish and be glad for the freaked out reactions. But, the bodybuilder emotional support posts are sort of, um, silly.

Hold me.[/quote]

There…There…cry it all out.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s not pleasing to the eye for a good many people. I’m talking about physiques closer to Pro-bodybuilders, and not what your typical non-juicing (but dedicated lifter) is going to achieve. For alot of people there’s a point were that “strong, muscular” physique moves into freakish side-show territory.

Like something they’d expect to see standing alongside the bearded lady, or the world’s smallest man. You’re as likely to change how they feel, as to convince this site to put up images of obese chicks in skimpy outfits. Some things just aren’t going to be pleasing to everyone’s eye, and might even be considered “freakish” looking.

I could understand saying something like that if this were Men’s Health.com, or AverageJoe.com and not a site which promotes itself as a BB’ing site. On a BB’ing site you’d think, obviously erroneously, that the people coming to that site might, just might be into BB’ing and might have different ideas of what the term “freakish” means. Heck, I’d love to be “freakish” and I think that most other serious guys on here would probably feel the same way.

As far as the fat chicks in skimpy outfits, this isn’t heffer-nation.com “the worlds largest chucky chaser website”, so again that example doesn’t really hold much water in this context. ;)[/quote]

i would also like to say yes i would love to be freakish lol

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:

As far as the fat chicks in skimpy outfits, this isn’t heffer-nation.com “the worlds largest chucky chaser website”, so again that example doesn’t really hold much water in this context. :wink:

The point was about changing minds on what is attractive.

Were we talking about trying to change people’s minds about what is attractive? Maybe we were and my reading comprehension just sucks. But I was under the impression that the thread was about why you PT’s feel the need to rip on BB’ers. Especially those who write for a BB’ing website.

I believe the topic expanded out to include a larger population than just PT’s, before the second page. That’s how I read the majority of the responses, at least. Oh, I’m not a PT, by the way.[/quote]

Yeah, the PT comment wasn’t meant to be directed at you. The “you” was not meant to stay in the post (I later edited it out).

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s not pleasing to the eye for a good many people. I’m talking about physiques closer to Pro-bodybuilders, and not what your typical non-juicing (but dedicated lifter) is going to achieve. For alot of people there’s a point were that “strong, muscular” physique moves into freakish side-show territory.

Like something they’d expect to see standing alongside the bearded lady, or the world’s smallest man. You’re as likely to change how they feel, as to convince this site to put up images of obese chicks in skimpy outfits. Some things just aren’t going to be pleasing to everyone’s eye, and might even be considered “freakish” looking.

I could understand saying something like that if this were Men’s Health.com, or AverageJoe.com and not a site which promotes itself as a BB’ing site. On a BB’ing site you’d think, obviously erroneously, that the people coming to that site might, just might be into BB’ing and might have different ideas of what the term “freakish” means. Heck, I’d love to be “freakish” and I think that most other serious guys on here would probably feel the same way.

As far as the fat chicks in skimpy outfits, this isn’t heffer-nation.com “the worlds largest chucky chaser website”, so again that example doesn’t really hold much water in this context. :wink:

Ok, I was talking more about the world at large, and not just this site. And that’s fine if you want to look freakish to the average person. Just remember that you WANTED to look freakish and be glad for the freaked out reactions. But, the bodybuilder emotional support posts are sort of, um, silly.[/quote]

Emotional support? Why is it that whenever a BB’er objects to negative comments directed towards them all of the sudden they are in need of emotional support? This thread isn’t about emotional support, it’s about like minded people trying to figure out why there is so much animosity towards them. At least that’s what I took it to be about.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s not pleasing to the eye for a good many people. I’m talking about physiques closer to Pro-bodybuilders, and not what your typical non-juicing (but dedicated lifter) is going to achieve. For alot of people there’s a point were that “strong, muscular” physique moves into freakish side-show territory.

Like something they’d expect to see standing alongside the bearded lady, or the world’s smallest man. You’re as likely to change how they feel, as to convince this site to put up images of obese chicks in skimpy outfits. Some things just aren’t going to be pleasing to everyone’s eye, and might even be considered “freakish” looking.

I could understand saying something like that if this were Men’s Health.com, or AverageJoe.com and not a site which promotes itself as a BB’ing site. On a BB’ing site you’d think, obviously erroneously, that the people coming to that site might, just might be into BB’ing and might have different ideas of what the term “freakish” means. Heck, I’d love to be “freakish” and I think that most other serious guys on here would probably feel the same way.

As far as the fat chicks in skimpy outfits, this isn’t heffer-nation.com “the worlds largest chucky chaser website”, so again that example doesn’t really hold much water in this context. :wink:

Ok, I was talking more about the world at large, and not just this site. And that’s fine if you want to look freakish to the average person. Just remember that you WANTED to look freakish and be glad for the freaked out reactions. But, the bodybuilder emotional support posts are sort of, um, silly.

Emotional support? Why is it that whenever a BB’er objects to negative comments directed towards them all of the sudden they are in need of emotional support? This thread isn’t about emotional support, it’s about like minded people trying to figure out why there is so much animosity towards them. At least that’s what I took it to be about.
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I know, and I gave my opinion as to why people are negative towards bodybuilders. Because, they’re viewed as freakish. And, like I said, I don’t see the fringe status ever changing. So, what’s with the self pity posts?

It’s a voluntary endeavor, much like deciding to pierce one’s eyebrows, lips, and having the face completely tatooed. It’s just so far out of the norm, it’s going to be seen as freakish. Surely, everyone here realizes that viewing a Priest, Cutler, or Coleman as an ideal physique is pretty far removed from the norm.

Now, a physique like a Frank Zane though? But, on this forum I wonder if one was to present a headless Frank Zane pic without announcing who it was, if it would be labeled a “Men’s Fitness” physique.

I’d sum it up like this; If you wanted to be freaky big, and got freaky big, and now get the freaked-out stares and whispers…Congrats! You’ve achieved your goal.

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cause we fucking rock. and PTs are fags who are frustrated that their TBT and jogging 6 miles a day hasnt gotten them half decent bodies yet.

they can hate all they want though cause i know how it feels when youre at a pool or beach and theres like 10 guys bigger than you. so let them read their Mens Health mags all fall and winter thinking theyre the baddest dude at the YMCA but when they leave those doors and walk by me they feel littled.

im not gonna lie though i think people like Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler look nasty. i appreciate the sport but god damn. i like a plump ass too but you wont see me chasing some fat cellutlite ass, you know what im saying? my ideal physique is along the lines of Mike Mentzer or a young Arnold Schwarzenegger

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s not pleasing to the eye for a good many people. I’m talking about physiques closer to Pro-bodybuilders, and not what your typical non-juicing (but dedicated lifter) is going to achieve. For alot of people there’s a point were that “strong, muscular” physique moves into freakish side-show territory.

Like something they’d expect to see standing alongside the bearded lady, or the world’s smallest man. You’re as likely to change how they feel, as to convince this site to put up images of obese chicks in skimpy outfits. Some things just aren’t going to be pleasing to everyone’s eye, and might even be considered “freakish” looking.

I could understand saying something like that if this were Men’s Health.com, or AverageJoe.com and not a site which promotes itself as a BB’ing site. On a BB’ing site you’d think, obviously erroneously, that the people coming to that site might, just might be into BB’ing and might have different ideas of what the term “freakish” means. Heck, I’d love to be “freakish” and I think that most other serious guys on here would probably feel the same way.

As far as the fat chicks in skimpy outfits, this isn’t heffer-nation.com “the worlds largest chucky chaser website”, so again that example doesn’t really hold much water in this context. :wink:

Ok, I was talking more about the world at large, and not just this site. And that’s fine if you want to look freakish to the average person. Just remember that you WANTED to look freakish and be glad for the freaked out reactions. But, the bodybuilder emotional support posts are sort of, um, silly.

Emotional support? Why is it that whenever a BB’er objects to negative comments directed towards them all of the sudden they are in need of emotional support? This thread isn’t about emotional support, it’s about like minded people trying to figure out why there is so much animosity towards them. At least that’s what I took it to be about.

I know, and I gave my opinion as to why people are negative towards bodybuilders. Because, they’re viewed as freakish. And, like I said, I don’t see the fringe status ever changing. So, what’s with the self pity posts? It’s a voluntary endeavor, much like deciding to pierce one’s eyebrows, lips, and having the face completely tatooed. It’s just so far out of the norm, it’s going to be seen as freakish. Surely, everyone here realizes that viewing a Priest, Cutler, or Coleman as an ideal physique is pretty far removed from the norm. Now, a physique like a Frank Zane though? But, nowadays on this forum, I wonder if one was to present a headless Frank Zane pic, without announcing it was the body of Zane, if would be labeled a “Men’s Fitness” physique.

I’d sum it up like this; If you wanted to be freaky big, and got freaky big, and now get the freaked-out stares and whispers…Congrats! You’ve achieved your goal.[/quote]

Because you are referring to the general public, I agree, that chances are the “freak” factor is probably a large reason for the comments. But I still doubt that this is the primary driving factor. Do you hear lots of negative comments about someone like Shaq who is a freakishly large man? Nope. Just lots of praise for him.

How about someone like Usaine Bolt who is freakishly fast? Nope. So being on the extreme end of the spectrum doesn’t always guarantee ridicule.

What people do seem to ridicule though are those people on the fringe who threaten them. Whether that be by making them feel self conscious about their looks (like BB’ers), or by not playing by their rules (like shock rockers or people who are heavily into piercing). These people are labeled as freaks because doing so makes those labeling them feel better about themselves.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s not pleasing to the eye for a good many people. I’m talking about physiques closer to Pro-bodybuilders, and not what your typical non-juicing (but dedicated lifter) is going to achieve. For alot of people there’s a point were that “strong, muscular” physique moves into freakish side-show territory.

Like something they’d expect to see standing alongside the bearded lady, or the world’s smallest man. You’re as likely to change how they feel, as to convince this site to put up images of obese chicks in skimpy outfits. Some things just aren’t going to be pleasing to everyone’s eye, and might even be considered “freakish” looking.

I could understand saying something like that if this were Men’s Health.com, or AverageJoe.com and not a site which promotes itself as a BB’ing site. On a BB’ing site you’d think, obviously erroneously, that the people coming to that site might, just might be into BB’ing and might have different ideas of what the term “freakish” means. Heck, I’d love to be “freakish” and I think that most other serious guys on here would probably feel the same way.

As far as the fat chicks in skimpy outfits, this isn’t heffer-nation.com “the worlds largest chucky chaser website”, so again that example doesn’t really hold much water in this context. :wink:

Ok, I was talking more about the world at large, and not just this site. And that’s fine if you want to look freakish to the average person. Just remember that you WANTED to look freakish and be glad for the freaked out reactions. But, the bodybuilder emotional support posts are sort of, um, silly.

Emotional support? Why is it that whenever a BB’er objects to negative comments directed towards them all of the sudden they are in need of emotional support? This thread isn’t about emotional support, it’s about like minded people trying to figure out why there is so much animosity towards them. At least that’s what I took it to be about.

I know, and I gave my opinion as to why people are negative towards bodybuilders. Because, they’re viewed as freakish. And, like I said, I don’t see the fringe status ever changing. So, what’s with the self pity posts? It’s a voluntary endeavor, much like deciding to pierce one’s eyebrows, lips, and having the face completely tatooed. It’s just so far out of the norm, it’s going to be seen as freakish. Surely, everyone here realizes that viewing a Priest, Cutler, or Coleman as an ideal physique is pretty far removed from the norm. Now, a physique like a Frank Zane though? But, nowadays on this forum, I wonder if one was to present a headless Frank Zane pic, without announcing it was the body of Zane, if would be labeled a “Men’s Fitness” physique.

I’d sum it up like this; If you wanted to be freaky big, and got freaky big, and now get the freaked-out stares and whispers…Congrats! You’ve achieved your goal.

Because you are referring to the general public, I agree, that chances are the “freak” factor is probably a large reason for the comments. But I still doubt that this is the primary driving factor. Do you hear lots of negative comments about someone like Shaq who is a freakishly large man? Nope. Just lots of praise for him. How about someone like Usaine Bolt who is freakishly fast? Nope. So being on the extreme end of the spectrum doesn’t always guarantee ridicule.

What people do seem to ridicule though are those people on the fringe who threaten them. Whether that be by making them feel self conscious about their looks (like BB’ers), or by not playing by their rules (like shock rockers or people who are heavily into piercing). These people are labeled as freaks because doing so makes those labeling them feel better about themselves.[/quote]

True, but I think your examples provide sporting entertainment more people actually care about and can relate to. Therefore, Shaq’s freakishly large size is easily overlooked (as a negative). Bolt isn’t really a good example, since I think appearance is the main factor here.

Maybe the lighter Zane-like physiques. But again, I think for the public at large (and even some “BodyBuilders”), anything approaching the heavier builds…isn’t even considered attractive. So I think it very much depends on what kind of Bodybuilder physique we’re talking about here.

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[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Scott M wrote:
Are you being serious with who is Branch Warren or no?

honestly, yes. Never heard of him. Very impressive, but still. I don’t read any bodybuilding press, I don’t search you tube for training videos, etc. Couldn’t name one competing (currently) BB’ers.

I graduated high school nearly 25 years ago and I think I bought a muscle mag in my junior year…maybe senior year.[/quote]

That just strikes me as very odd because you’ve been on this site for 6 years and are posting in the bodybuilding section and don’t know who one of the top 10-15 bodybuilders on the planet is, or can’t name any competing pros. How do you avoid learning names of at least a few of these guys ? lol

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Now, a physique like a Frank Zane though? But, on this forum I wonder if one was to present a headless Frank Zane pic without announcing who it was, if it would be labeled a “Men’s Fitness” physique.[/quote]

Zane isn’t what I’d call small when compared to the Mens Health/Fitness crowd.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Now, a physique like a Frank Zane though? But, on this forum I wonder if one was to present a headless Frank Zane pic without announcing who it was, if it would be labeled a “Men’s Fitness” physique.

Zane isn’t what I’d call small when compared to the Mens Health/Fitness crowd.[/quote]

i agree zane might be smaller when compared to people like cutler but when compared to relgaur fitness guys hes huge i mean he won the olympia

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Now, a physique like a Frank Zane though? But, on this forum I wonder if one was to present a headless Frank Zane pic without announcing who it was, if it would be labeled a “Men’s Fitness” physique.

Zane isn’t what I’d call small when compared to the Mens Health/Fitness crowd.[/quote]

i agree zane might be smaller when compared to people like cutler but when compared to regular fitness guys hes huge i mean he won the olympia

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I don’t give a fuck what bosu ball tottin’ PT has to say about the great lifestyle that I proudly live. I for one refuse to involve myself in mindless games (sports). Listen to coach, move ball to goal, run fast. Thats motherfucking it, in my book.

Yes, some are better than others and it takes some technique but its not a 24/ motherfucking 7 job. Its takes brains to build a body. It takes a body to play sports. My opinion.

Its inalienable untile Saudi Arabian nationals make an oopsie and the government takes that away from me too. I think it was the great Ulysses, King of Ithaca said, “I don’t care of the consequences, I don’t care if die young as long as they bury me in a big fucking box.” I subscribe heavily to that statement.

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[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
I don’t give a fuck what bosu ball tottin’ PT has to say about the great lifestyle that I proudly live. I for one refuse to involve myself in mindless games (sports). Listen to coach, move ball to goal, run fast. Thats motherfucking it, in my book.

Yes, some are better than others and it takes some technique but its not a 24/ motherfucking 7 job. Its takes brains to build a body. It takes a body to play sports. My opinion.

Its inalienable untile Saudi Arabian nationals make an oopsie and the government takes that away from me too. I think it was the great Ulysses, King of Ithaca said, “I don’t care of the consequences, I don’t care if die young as long as they bury me in a big fucking box.” I subscribe heavily to that statement. [/quote]

w…t…f… lol

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This is a stupid question, but does PT stand for personal trainer?
People keep referencing PT’s that know nothing about lifting, but that’s like saying all recreational bodybuilders are on steroids. Two of the pt’s at my gym can bench 4 plates and squat 5 plates, one played arena football, and two are into bbuilding and would make most of the guys on this site look like they barely train. There are a few trainers at the gym that have their clients do some retarded stuff (involving bosu balls and pink dumbbells), but they aren’t all complete morons.

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if you use a bosu, you suck at life.