Bashing of Bodybuilders: Why?

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]chitown34 wrote:
This is a stupid question, but does PT stand for personal trainer?

People keep referencing PT’s that know nothing about lifting, but that’s like saying all recreational bodybuilders are on steroids. Two of the pt’s at my gym can bench 4 plates and squat 5 plates, one played arena football, and two are into bbuilding and would make most of the guys on this site look like they barely train.

There are a few trainers at the gym that have their clients do some retarded stuff (involving bosu balls and pink dumbbells), but they aren’t all complete morons.[/quote]

People speak generally about them. For a while there, it seemed they were purposefully hiring ONLY people who looked like they didn’t lift much at all so they didn’t scare away fat housewives. That went on for damn near 10 years and I am just now starting to see a change.

There are at least 2 personal trainers at the 24 Hour Fitness I go to now who are bigger than most of the people I have seen post pics on this site. One of them used to compete in bodybuilding.

Just 5 years ago, I doubt they would have hired him choosing to pic some skinny dude instead.

So yes, I agree that things MAY be changing recently but that doesn’t erase the previous decade or the fact that they are still a minority.

In the 1990’s, they basically picked people to be personal trainers based on how developed they were. The “gen fitness couch potato” crowd put a stop to that.

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
if you use a bosu, you suck at life.[/quote]

I agree, but there will always be some bad apples.

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More often then not a PT’s job is general health even more than fitness. This is wrong but true, many people with ailments think all they have to do is go to the gym lose a little weight and do a little cardio and they will be mucho healthier. So now the PT’s job which really is about fitness anyway turns to health. The industry is built with the mindset of exercise for health, and it’s overblown.

Many things that bodybuilders do to build large amounts of muscle just isn’t healthy for the type of clients that go to a pt at a fitness facility. So a person whose first contact with health and fitness comes from being educated for personal training will not know the difference. Now their whole mindset bodybuilders are unhealthy.

A TRUE bodybuilder has to bulk at some point in their training. Partials will be used, if your successful at some point your leg muscles WILL be to big to run a mile comfortably. You can’t tell someone who NEVER works out to bulk, all they will do is get fat, and trust me they aren’t cutting. You can’t tell somebody who can’t do 10 pushups from the floor without looking like downward facing dog, to do partials with his bodyweight. Believe you me any strength he gains from that will be non-functional. When a person doesn’t know the difference between the two, only thing they can do is think that bodybuilders are unhealthy and unfunctional because of their trianing and lifestyle.

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anyone with an ounce of inteligence isnt going to tell some fat guy to “bulk”. if a skinny person comes up and says i want to get big well that means they have to eat.

the problem lies in what the concept of bulking to the mainstream, and lots of people here, is. bulking is about taking the same protein rich foods and increasing how much you eat them. you are also more leinant on your fat and carb intake.

steak, milk, potatoes, chicken, eggs, cheese, rice, pasta and all kinds of meat are acceptable bulking foods. once people start throwing ice cream, cake, dougnuts and fritos into the mix things may go sour.

i garauntee that i could go into any gym with personal trainers and find at least one, probaly way more, people who work there that actually believe fat turns into muscle.

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The weak minded deflect self inspection by ridiculing others. At some time, it became acceptable to share these little insights with others and not expect any repercussions.

Live and Let Live.
Fuck the Haters.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
More often then not a PT’s job is general health even more than fitness. This is wrong but true, many people with ailments think all they have to do is go to the gym lose a little weight and do a little cardio and they will be mucho healthier.

So now the PT’s job which really is about fitness anyway turns to health. The industry is built with the mindset of exercise for health, and it’s overblown.

Many things that bodybuilders do to build large amounts of muscle just isn’t healthy for the type of clients that go to a pt at a fitness facility. So a person whose first contact with health and fitness comes from being educated for personal training will not know the difference. Now their whole mindset bodybuilders are unhealthy.

A TRUE bodybuilder has to bulk at some point in their training. Partials will be used, if your successful at some point your leg muscles WILL be to big to run a mile comfortably. You can’t tell someone who NEVER works out to bulk, all they will do is get fat, and trust me they aren’t cutting.

You can’t tell somebody who can’t do 10 pushups from the floor without looking like downward facing dog, to do partials with his bodyweight. Believe you me any strength he gains from that will be non-functional.

When a person doesn’t know the difference between the two, only thing they can do is think that bodybuilders are unhealthy and unfunctional because of their trianing and lifestyle.

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I agree with most of this, training bodybuilders for bodybuilding and training average people (overweight, often with medical conditions)are two very different things and require very different approaches.

The problem obviously is that alot of personal trainers dont understand this and try to get everyone to conform to the very conservative type of training that is recomended for the general public. Also alot of PTs are also fans of the “functional” training fad that isn’t very functional.

PTs however are not completely useless and are required to have a solid knowledge of antatomy and physiology and exercise programing (at least in Australia if they are certified)
No person that works in any gym I know of would think that fat turns into muscle or visa versa.
PS yes I am a PT so I am bias

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
More often then not a PT’s job is general health even more than fitness. This is wrong but true, many people with ailments think all they have to do is go to the gym lose a little weight and do a little cardio and they will be mucho healthier.

So now the PT’s job which really is about fitness anyway turns to health. The industry is built with the mindset of exercise for health, and it’s overblown.

Many things that bodybuilders do to build large amounts of muscle just isn’t healthy for the type of clients that go to a pt at a fitness facility.

So a person whose first contact with health and fitness comes from being educated for personal training will not know the difference. Now their whole mindset bodybuilders are unhealthy.

A TRUE bodybuilder has to bulk at some point in their training. Partials will be used, if your successful at some point your leg muscles WILL be to big to run a mile comfortably.

You can’t tell someone who NEVER works out to bulk, all they will do is get fat, and trust me they aren’t cutting. You can’t tell somebody who can’t do 10 pushups from the floor without looking like downward facing dog, to do partials with his bodyweight.

Believe you me any strength he gains from that will be non-functional. When a person doesn’t know the difference between the two, only thing they can do is think that bodybuilders are unhealthy and unfunctional because of their trianing and lifestyle.

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I agree with most of this, training bodybuilders for bodybuilding and training average people (overweight, often with medical conditions)are two very different things and require very different approaches.

The problem obviously is that alot of personal trainers dont understand this and try to get everyone to conform to the very conservative type of training that is recomended for the general public. Also alot of PTs are also fans of the “functional” training fad that isn’t very functional.

PTs however are not completely useless and are required to have a solid knowledge of antatomy and physiology and exercise programing (at least in Australia if they are certified)
No person that works in any gym I know of would think that fat turns into muscle or visa versa.
PS yes I am a PT so I am bias

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
if you use a bosu, you suck at life.[/quote]

Pretty much. Unless you use the bosu as a sex toy.

Wait, is the bosu a full ball or one of those gay half balls?

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i just wanted to let everyone know that i have a tiny dick but i train for the chemical release as much if not more than the physical results

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bosu is the half ball. third of a ball really >_>

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
if you use a bosu, you suck at life.[/quote]

Some of us need them for ghetto GHR’s in our commercialized gyms!

Other than this, /agree.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

There are at least 2 personal trainers at the 24 Hour Fitness I go to now who are bigger than most of the people I have seen post pics on this site. One of them used to compete in bodybuilding.
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Those are the ones you need to have in a gym.
One of the PT’s in my gym was a soccerplayer, with all respect, but they don’t know much about bbing.

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Reason BB’s get bashed is because they present themselves like idiots and meat heads. They generally wear ill fitting clothes to show off muscles because of their need to have everyone “see” them as bodybuilders. Their dispositions of superiority don’t help either. People can feel when someone projects arrogance over their physique and a simultaneous distain for the average non workout person.

There are plenty of BB to whom people flock. I knew those myself. They were nice, dressed very well and had very approachable dispositions. They were never mocked but always inspired others to ask for diet and training tips. They never walked around in tang tops.

Some BB are true parodies reminiscent of a baseball player going everywhere in a full baseball uniform, cleats, a baseball in one hand and a bat over the shoulder. Then wondering why people are pointing, some laughing and shaking their heads at them.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
Reason BB’s get bashed is because they present themselves like idiots and meat heads. They generally wear ill fitting clothes to show off muscles because of their need to have everyone “see” them as bodybuilders. Their dispositions of superiority don’t help either. People can feel when someone projects arrogance over their physique and a simultaneous distain for the average non workout person.

There are plenty of BB to whom people flock. I knew those myself. They were nice, dressed very well and had very approachable dispositions. They were never mocked but always inspired others to ask for diet and training tips. They never walked around in tang tops.

Some BB are true parodies reminiscent of a baseball player going everywhere in a full baseball uniform, cleats, a baseball in one hand and a bat over the shoulder. Then wondering why people are pointing, some laughing and shaking their heads at them. [/quote]

If people are pointing and laughing because some really large muscular guy is wearing a tank top, the problem is not the guy in the tank top.

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Shucks! That kind of sounds like me! :wink:

I own quite a few form fitting and sleeveless shirts and tank tops. I mean, just look at my avatar! :slight_smile:

A tank top is a type of shirt that can be and is worn by people of alls shapes and sizes. I have seen fat and skinny guys wear tank tops too. Therefore, it is not a uniform worn by bodybuilders. The bodybuilding uniform is a bikini. I have never seen a bodybuilder in my life walk into malls, restaurants, and convenience stores wearing a bikini.

By the way, what is wrong with wearing clothing that lends to showing off your physique? No one seems to have problems with well endowed females wearing low cut shirts. Is there something wrong with wanting to look attractive to the opposite sex, something that is actually quite important if you want to feel like a desirable human being?

Do you say the same things about rich folks who purposely purchase Hummers (500 - 800 bucks per month in gas alone if you drive it a lot), Mercedes, Bimmers, watches that cost a cost a small fortune, and clothing brands like Prada, Gucci, Dolce & Gabana? I mean aren’t they non-verbally stating “hey, look at me! I’m rich!” You BET they are non-verbally stating this! So what is wrong with a bodybuilder non-verbally stating “look at my body. I worked hard on it. If you like this body, go for it!”? What is wrong with selling what you got, whether it be career attributes, resources (ie: money, connections) a physique, a pair of tits, and so on? I think nothing.

I work out because I LOVE bodybuilding - the sport and the fact that the feeling of doing it is like none else. If I did it just to show off, I would have quit a long time ago. That’s why those guido club fanatics don’t stick with this past 25 years old! They didn’t truly love this! However, one of the last things I lift for is to be bundled up in the winter.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Reason BB’s get bashed is because they present themselves like idiots and meat heads. They generally wear ill fitting clothes to show off muscles because of their need to have everyone “see” them as bodybuilders. Their dispositions of superiority don’t help either. People can feel when someone projects arrogance over their physique and a simultaneous distain for the average non workout person.

There are plenty of BB to whom people flock. I knew those myself. They were nice, dressed very well and had very approachable dispositions. They were never mocked but always inspired others to ask for diet and training tips. They never walked around in tang tops.

Some BB are true parodies reminiscent of a baseball player going everywhere in a full baseball uniform, cleats, a baseball in one hand and a bat over the shoulder. Then wondering why people are pointing, some laughing and shaking their heads at them.

If people are pointing and laughing because some really large muscular guy is wearing a tank top, the problem is not the guy in the tank top.[/quote]

I agree. This has been covered before, but when an average person goes sleeveless, it’s trying to stay cool on a hot day, if a guy with 18+ inch arms does it, he’s showing off.

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Exactly what I wanted to post Bricknyce, good explanation.

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funny how a thread about PTs bashing BBers is really just a thread of BBers bashing PTs.

I could care less (as I’m a PT), just ironic.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
funny how a thread about PTs bashing BBers is really just a thread of BBers bashing PTs.

I could care less (as I’m a PT), just ironic.[/quote]

Pointing out that personal trainers in most gym chains have been chosen lately based on their LACK of large amounts of muscle mass is “bashing” them? It used to be just the opposite 20 years ago. That’s not bashing, it’s fact.

There is no way I would walk up to someone who doesn’t look like they lift…for lifting advice.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Shucks! That kind of sounds like me! :wink:

I own quite a few form fitting and sleeveless shirts and tank tops. I mean, just look at my avatar! :slight_smile:

A tank top is a type of shirt that can be and is worn by people of alls shapes and sizes. I have seen fat and skinny guys wear tank tops too. Therefore, it is not a uniform worn by bodybuilders. The bodybuilding uniform is a bikini. I have never seen a bodybuilder in my life walk into malls, restaurants, and convenience stores wearing a bikini.

By the way, what is wrong with wearing clothing that lends to showing off your physique? No one seems to have problems with well endowed females wearing low cut shirts. Is there something wrong with wanting to look attractive to the opposite sex, something that is actually quite important if you want to feel like a desirable human being?

Do you say the same things about rich folks who purposely purchase Hummers (500 - 800 bucks per month in gas alone if you drive it a lot), Mercedes, Bimmers, watches that cost a cost a small fortune, and clothing brands like Prada, Gucci, Dolce & Gabana? I mean aren’t they non-verbally stating “hey, look at me! I’m rich!” You BET they are non-verbally stating this! So what is wrong with a bodybuilder non-verbally stating “look at my body. I worked hard on it. If you like this body, go for it!”? What is wrong with selling what you got, whether it be career attributes, resources (ie: money, connections) a physique, a pair of tits, and so on? I think nothing.

I work out because I LOVE bodybuilding - the sport and the fact that the feeling of doing it is like none else. If I did it just to show off, I would have quit a long time ago. That’s why those guido club fanatics don’t stick with this past 25 years old! They didn’t truly love this! However, one of the last things I lift for is to be bundled up in the winter. [/quote]

I would think there is something wrong with someone who works that hard on their body to build that much muscle…but who insists on never showing it in public at all.

Somehow, this is not insecure but they throw that word at every bodybuilder who looks at himself in a mirror.

I wear tank tops in the gym every single day. If some truly out of shape person is laughing because of this…I hope they realize people are laughing right back at them.