[quote]StevenF wrote:
Bas is good, but the greatest? He lost to Ken Shamrock…twice. Case closed. Refute that one Mr. drunken workout boy. [/quote]
I hate having to repeat this again and again, but I’m pretty sure those Pancrase matches were open handed striking matches, not quite putting you in your element if you’re a striker going against a grappler, and it was at the beginning of his career before he’d learned many submissions.
I suppose we can bag on Bas all we want, but of all the old-timers who haven’t fought in awhile, he is actually one of the ones who adapted his game to be inclusive of striking and grappling, he definitely didn’t let the game pass him by, though to say he could stand with the best strikers in the world would be a bit of a stretch, he is a quality fighter.
In my opinion, he would stand a good chance of beating all the LHW’s in the UFC with the exception of Liddell, Ortiz, and Babalu…that isn’t too bad for a 40 year old who hasn’t fought in 6 years.
I don’t know if anyone brought this up because sometimes it’s hard to follow such a heated debate, but Bas fought Warpath with a pulled groin, seperated ribs, and a partially torn ACL. He also injured his foot on the third low kick he threw to Warpath’s leg.
I’m not making excuses for him, but at 41 and not fighting for 7 years, I’d say he did pretty well considering his injuries, time away from the ring, etc. Put it this way, any true Bas fan should have been upset that he didn’t do his famous flying leg splits after his victory because he was in that bad a shape. People should do somoe research before starting debates.
Now on to Bas vs. Top 10 Lightheavy’s in UFC:
those are all of the Lightheavy’s in the UFC. Would be hard to rank top 10, but I can tell you without a doubt he is top 10.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
The guy won the fight. The other fighter was clearly outmatched. I don’t mean to hate on Bas at all.
I just think he looked more rusty than sharp.
I don’t think he would be a match for any of the top guys around based on how he looked in this fight.
At his age I don’t think he has much left in the tank.[/quote]
Maybe you watched his post-fight interview, maybe you didn’t, but he addresses that point towards the beginning of it. I’ll provide you with a summary of what he said:
According to Bas, he realized during the coaching of his IFL team that he had something left in the tank. When coaching his fighters, everyone around him realized this too and begged him to return to fighting, and so he did.
While training for his fight with Kimo, he furthermore realized that he did in fact have a lot more in the tank as his conditioning and training parameters were so grueling that most of the people training with him, even 20 year olds as he states, were puking in trash cans as he did it with ease.
Basically, to say that Bas has nothing left in the tank is a mis-informed comment. Yes he fought a can, and perhaps looked a little rusty, but he still looked good enough with the injuries he had to convince me that he could easily be top 10 in the light-heavy division (where the UFC is concerned).
[quote]bigblue244 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The guy won the fight. The other fighter was clearly outmatched. I don’t mean to hate on Bas at all.
I just think he looked more rusty than sharp.
I don’t think he would be a match for any of the top guys around based on how he looked in this fight.
At his age I don’t think he has much left in the tank.
Maybe you watched his post-fight interview, maybe you didn’t, but he addresses that point towards the beginning of it. I’ll provide you with a summary of what he said:
According to Bas, he realized during the coaching of his IFL team that he had something left in the tank. When coaching his fighters, everyone around him realized this too and begged him to return to fighting, and so he did.
While training for his fight with Kimo, he furthermore realized that he did in fact have a lot more in the tank as his conditioning and training parameters were so grueling that most of the people training with him, even 20 year olds as he states, were puking in trash cans as he did it with ease.
Basically, to say that Bas has nothing left in the tank is a mis-informed comment. Yes he fought a can, and perhaps looked a little rusty, but he still looked good enough with the injuries he had to convince me that he could easily be top 10 in the light-heavy division (where the UFC is concerned).[/quote]
Thanks. I didn’t see the interview.
I would say top 10 is quite possible but not for very long.
I didn’t say his tank was empty just very low. He probably has a short run left in him before he is done.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
bigblue244 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The guy won the fight. The other fighter was clearly outmatched. I don’t mean to hate on Bas at all.
I just think he looked more rusty than sharp.
I don’t think he would be a match for any of the top guys around based on how he looked in this fight.
At his age I don’t think he has much left in the tank.
Maybe you watched his post-fight interview, maybe you didn’t, but he addresses that point towards the beginning of it. I’ll provide you with a summary of what he said:
According to Bas, he realized during the coaching of his IFL team that he had something left in the tank. When coaching his fighters, everyone around him realized this too and begged him to return to fighting, and so he did.
While training for his fight with Kimo, he furthermore realized that he did in fact have a lot more in the tank as his conditioning and training parameters were so grueling that most of the people training with him, even 20 year olds as he states, were puking in trash cans as he did it with ease.
Basically, to say that Bas has nothing left in the tank is a mis-informed comment. Yes he fought a can, and perhaps looked a little rusty, but he still looked good enough with the injuries he had to convince me that he could easily be top 10 in the light-heavy division (where the UFC is concerned).
Thanks. I didn’t see the interview.
I would say top 10 is quite possible but not for very long.
I didn’t say his tank was empty just very low. He probably has a short run left in him before he is done. [/quote]