[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
How can anyone say Bas looked sharp?
All he did was throw haymakers against a tomato can.
He didn’t show much skill in the fight.
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He only missed a couple punches in the whole fight. Everything was on the button. What a departure from the piece of shit striking that is the general UFC cast. Lidell is the exception.
He didn’t have to show much skill because the opponent did suck balls.
[quote]AgentOrange wrote:
I’ve never seen someone lose on leg kicks before. Bas chopped his legs out from under him in… what? Five leg kicks?[/quote]
Then you are new to sports that allow leg-kicks. That is fairly common.
[quote]ramses wrote:
Then you are new to sports that allow leg-kicks. That is fairly common[/quote]
My dad’s still bigger than your dad.
Bas was extremely sharp, he landed shot after shot to the face and was extremely accurate. And, as he said in his interview, he was using a lot of straights; he was definitely NOT throwing haymakers, which are by most people’s definition a wild looping punch from the side that untrained guys throw in bar fights.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
How can anyone say Bas looked sharp?
All he did was throw haymakers against a tomato can.
He didn’t show much skill in the fight.
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Actually ZEB, if it weren’t for ring rust and age, I think he could go in there with Chuck and Randy and have a great chance.
He can strike with Chuck and he has the ground game to match up with Randy.
And there are not many strikers better than him at lhw and hw. Silva, Crocop are probably superior. Other than that, I don’t know who is better.
Who would you say is superior?
[quote]oboffill wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Boondoggler wrote:
ZEB wrote:
He’s fighting in this third rate league for a reason.
Yeah, because they pay more. You really have no clue what you’re talking about do you?
Ha ha…Yea, I do.
And I also know that Bas wouldn’t make enough for lunch money if he fought top rated guys. But he sure looked good beating the snot out of that stiff huh?
Oooooooo…he’s soooo dangerous!
Grow up.
ZEB, were we watching the same fight? Bas was sharp as hell. He’s probably the best striker in history. He’s also the most respected man in MMA. Not to mention he’s trained with every top fighter in the world because he’s so popular.
Yea, I’d call him dangerous.
I would love to see you talk some smack in Rutten’s face. Hell get in a cage with him and tell him he’s washed out. Now that’s something to laugh at. You idiot. [/quote]
“…The best striker in history…”
How did u come to that conclusion.
Did he ever compete in K-1?
Bas was really good in his pancrease days , however , when he was fightinh in the UFC , I did notice that he was not his pancrease -self.
" The most respected man in MMA"???
What do u mean by" trained with" ?
Do u mean actual training , or sparring?
I, for one, would love to see an over 40s matchup between Bas and Randy.
Bas looked good, but the guy was a bum (although taking a fight with 1 day notice is pretty ballsie) so there was not much to see in terms of whether Bas is back or not. Certanly too early to say if he could handle PRIDE (or even UFC for that matter). Either way I will certainly watch his next fight. What about a Shamrock v Bas rematch?
Bas is good, but the greatest? He lost to Ken Shamrock…twice. Case closed. Refute that one Mr. drunken workout boy.
[quote]gotaknife wrote:
What about a Shamrock v Bas rematch?[/quote]
That would be something I would actually look forward to.
I love Bas as much as the next guy, but I think people are letting his likeable personality cross over into rating his ability. He was a good fighter, but calling him the best striker ever? Don’t make me laugh. He made his name in a league with open palm strikes.
He looked sharp smashing a can, no big deal. I’ll wait to see where he goes from here before I give him more cred.
[quote]wesstangl wrote:
“…The best striker in history…”
How did u come to that conclusion.[/quote]
It’s just my opinion, noone can actually say with certainty who the best is. By observation Bas’ strikes have always been accurate and deadly. I’ve never seen him throw a soft punch or useless kick in his fights. He’s an amazing striker.
[quote]" The most respected man in MMA"???
What do u mean by" trained with" ?
Do u mean actual training , or sparring?
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Bas travels the world and meets up with all the different teams and camps in MMA. He also gives seminars with these guys. He’s cool with everybody. You can read/see all about it on his site.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
gotaknife wrote:
What about a Shamrock v Bas rematch?
That would be something I would actually look forward to.
I love Bas as much as the next guy, but I think people are letting his likeable personality cross over into rating his ability. He was a good fighter, but calling him the best striker ever? Don’t make me laugh. He made his name in a league with open palm strikes.
He looked sharp smashing a can, no big deal. I’ll wait to see where he goes from here before I give him more cred.[/quote]
You’ve never seen his MMA Career DVD have you?
The guy is as sharp a striker as I’ve seen. Up there with Fedor and Wanderlei.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
Bas is good, but the greatest? He lost to Ken Shamrock…twice. Case closed. Refute that one Mr. drunken workout boy. [/quote]
I said he was the greatest striker. You may think someone else is the best, whatever.
If you watch his Career Fights DVD you will know that Bas had no ground game during those losses. MMA was a baby when he was fighting. His striking was light years ahead of everybody though.
After that second loss to Ken, Bas didn’t lose for another 22 fights and then retired after beating Randleman.
Too easy, Mr.Reading-Comprehension-Impaired.
[quote]oboffill wrote:
Damn, you are not bright. [/quote]
LOL
I’m not unaware of who Bas has fought in the past and how he fared in the past. This in addition to the age factor leads me to my current stance which is:
“Bas Rutten would get beaten, soundly by the top fighters at his weight class in the UFC.”
And that is fair commentary given the information that is available to the public.
You have to shut it for me…with facts.
That’s what makes a good debate. Now get busy, drop the name calling and actually post some evidence that might at least come close to supporting your very weak argument.
Otherise, you might want to consider not posting again on this topic.
Just a suggestion.
[quote]Sonny S wrote:
Actually ZEB, if it weren’t for ring rust and age, I think he could go in there with Chuck and Randy and have a great chance.[/quote]
Well, I think that you have made my point for me, at least on one count.
Age is indeed a factor for Rutten at this point in his career.
I would agree with you in that his age is now a factor which would hurt him.
I don’t think that he would come close to beating Lidell. Like him or hate him Lidell has shown himself to be a good champion.
And as I said to a previous (ranting) poster: Bas would not be able to beat any of the top rated fighters in the UFC.
I have the DVD and can vouch for oboffill. He has a running commentary in every match explaining where exactly he was in his career in terms of knowledge of the game. First few matches, no ground game at all. Then there is a marked improvement match by match in every facet of the ground game.
Last few matches he’s tapping people out left and right.
And to whomever dissed Pancrase, they were at one point the premier organization in the world, and not full of tomato cans like the UFC (except for the gracies of course).
And to whomever dissed shamrock, please remember that 12,13,14 yrs ago, young roided-up Shamrock was beating just about everyone. Don’t judge him based on his present ability.
And Bas is in excellent shape. I went to his seminar 2 yrs ago, and he was showing us the heavy bag. He was throwing a combo of 3 punches plus a knee in less than a second with scary power.
Seminar was only OK btw. Didn’t really learn much. I hear there’s better ones, especially the guy who was the ground coach in TUF season 2, I forgot his name, the soft-spoken bald guy.
[quote]oboffill wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
gotaknife wrote:
What about a Shamrock v Bas rematch?
That would be something I would actually look forward to.
I love Bas as much as the next guy, but I think people are letting his likeable personality cross over into rating his ability. He was a good fighter, but calling him the best striker ever? Don’t make me laugh. He made his name in a league with open palm strikes.
He looked sharp smashing a can, no big deal. I’ll wait to see where he goes from here before I give him more cred.
You’ve never seen his MMA Career DVD have you?
The guy is as sharp a striker as I’ve seen. Up there with Fedor and Wanderlei. [/quote]
[quote]oboffill wrote:
I would love to see you talk some smack in Rutten’s face. Hell get in a cage with him and tell him he’s washed out. Now that’s something to laugh at. You idiot…
He didn’t have to show much skill because the opponent did suck balls.
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I agree that Zeb is probably being a little hard on Bas, but oboffill’s argument that Zeb shouldn’t criticize Bas because Bas can kick his ass is (to say the least) not a good one. I mean, would oboffill repeat his other statement in Warpath’s face? Does the fact that Warpath could destroy oboffill without breaking a sweat mean that Warpath does not, in fact, kind of suck balls?
[quote]WhiteCaesar wrote:
oboffill wrote:
I would love to see you talk some smack in Rutten’s face. Hell get in a cage with him and tell him he’s washed out. Now that’s something to laugh at. You idiot…
He didn’t have to show much skill because the opponent did suck balls.
I agree that Zeb is probably being a little hard on Bas, but oboffill’s argument that Zeb shouldn’t criticize Bas because Bas can kick his ass is (to say the least) not a good one. I mean, would oboffill repeat his other statement in Warpath’s face? Does the fact that Warpath could destroy oboffill without breaking a sweat mean that Warpath does not, in fact, kind of suck balls?[/quote]
Haha, yeah you have a point. I just like getting into with ZEB for the hell of it. Why ruin tradition?
[quote]Sonny S wrote:
I have the DVD and can vouch for oboffill. He has a running commentary in every match explaining where exactly he was in his career in terms of knowledge of the game. First few matches, no ground game at all. Then there is a marked improvement match by match in every facet of the ground game.
Last few matches he’s tapping people out left and right.
And to whomever dissed Pancrase, they were at one point the premier organization in the world, and not full of tomato cans like the UFC (except for the gracies of course).
And to whomever dissed shamrock, please remember that 12,13,14 yrs ago, young roided-up Shamrock was beating just about everyone. Don’t judge him based on his present ability.
And Bas is in excellent shape. I went to his seminar 2 yrs ago, and he was showing us the heavy bag. He was throwing a combo of 3 punches plus a knee in less than a second with scary power.
Seminar was only OK btw. Didn’t really learn much. I hear there’s better ones, especially the guy who was the ground coach in TUF season 2, I forgot his name, the soft-spoken bald guy.
oboffill wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
gotaknife wrote:
What about a Shamrock v Bas rematch?
That would be something I would actually look forward to.
I love Bas as much as the next guy, but I think people are letting his likeable personality cross over into rating his ability. He was a good fighter, but calling him the best striker ever? Don’t make me laugh. He made his name in a league with open palm strikes.
He looked sharp smashing a can, no big deal. I’ll wait to see where he goes from here before I give him more cred.
You’ve never seen his MMA Career DVD have you?
The guy is as sharp a striker as I’ve seen. Up there with Fedor and Wanderlei.
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Wow, someone actually backing me up for once. Sonny, you are obviously a brilliant man. I commend you.
Haha.
I hope Bas is going to keep fighting now that MMA has blown up.
[quote]oboffill wrote:
You’ve never seen his MMA Career DVD have you?
The guy is as sharp a striker as I’ve seen. Up there with Fedor and Wanderlei. [/quote]
I’ve seen plenty of Bas’s fights. Compare him to Cro Cop, Hunt, LeBanner, Shogun, Lidell, he would get bulldozed on the feet. I wouldn’t call Fedor a sharp striker, even Wanderlei because they are wild and over committed to a lot of what they throw. Bas was a good Thai boxer in an organization without a lot of top strikers. The best striker ever? Not even close.
[quote]oboffill wrote:
WhiteCaesar wrote:
oboffill wrote:
I would love to see you talk some smack in Rutten’s face. Hell get in a cage with him and tell him he’s washed out. Now that’s something to laugh at. You idiot…
He didn’t have to show much skill because the opponent did suck balls.
I agree that Zeb is probably being a little hard on Bas, but oboffill’s argument that Zeb shouldn’t criticize Bas because Bas can kick his ass is (to say the least) not a good one. I mean, would oboffill repeat his other statement in Warpath’s face? Does the fact that Warpath could destroy oboffill without breaking a sweat mean that Warpath does not, in fact, kind of suck balls?
Haha, yeah you have a point. I just like getting into with ZEB for the hell of it. Why ruin tradition?[/quote]
Lol…You crazy guy…