Barbell Bent Over Rows

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
here’s how i do them. i take a wider than shoulder width grip. i’m sure to keep my lower back from rounding and i pull the weight back into my gut. i think you should do them in a way that lets you use as much weight as possible while still protecting the lower back without a huge amount of swing. this is a mass builder and a little body english is expected. those that believe in slow reps with “perfect” form are always small and weak.

I don’t care who you are, your form sucks ass… Either way, you’re still strong…

Rows, either pendlay style, bent style, whatever, should never be done with momentum. You are not trying to train your lower back dynamically. This movement should be done super strict, cause after all, you’re trying to add mass on your upper back. Let us think of it this way, many people consider barbell curls to be one of the best exercises to build your biceps, and yet, none of these people recommend any “body english”. Same thing with rows. They should be done strict, and the only type of action that your posterior chain should be involved with is isometric, NOT DYNAMIC!

…Even though you gave out a crappy advice, you’re still one of the strongest people ever! You’re still awesome so please don’t worry.[/quote]

shut up midget

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
here’s how i do them. i take a wider than shoulder width grip. i’m sure to keep my lower back from rounding and i pull the weight back into my gut. i think you should do them in a way that lets you use as much weight as possible while still protecting the lower back without a huge amount of swing. this is a mass builder and a little body english is expected. those that believe in slow reps with “perfect” form are always small and weak.

I don’t care who you are, your form sucks ass… Either way, you’re still strong…

Rows, either pendlay style, bent style, whatever, should never be done with momentum. You are not trying to train your lower back dynamically. This movement should be done super strict, cause after all, you’re trying to add mass on your upper back. Let us think of it this way, many people consider barbell curls to be one of the best exercises to build your biceps, and yet, none of these people recommend any “body english”. Same thing with rows. They should be done strict, and the only type of action that your posterior chain should be involved with is isometric, NOT DYNAMIC!

…Even though you gave out a crappy advice, you’re still one of the strongest people ever! You’re still awesome so please don’t worry.[/quote]

BWAHAHAHAHA can’t believe you just knocked on MM’s form and advice

How massive is your back, training with strick form?

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:

Rows, either pendlay style, bent style, whatever, should never be done with momentum. You are not trying to train your lower back dynamically. This movement should be done super strict, cause after all, you’re trying to add mass on your upper back. They should be done strict, and the only type of action that your posterior chain should be involved with is isometric, NOT DYNAMIC!

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ha ha, tell that to this guy

(450 lbs row, damnnn)

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
I’ve always called a barbell row from the floor a Pendlay Row (I love them btw), dunno what the story is with grip. I always assumed it was overhand!

I guess you could differentiate by calling one a Pendlay Row and the other a Yates Pendlay Row?? :s[/quote]

Yea. Hanley actually introduced them to me (altho I dont think he knows that shhhh…)

Only thing I do not like about them is I can not get/hold any air!

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[quote]tuchavito wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:

Rows, either pendlay style, bent style, whatever, should never be done with momentum. You are not trying to train your lower back dynamically. This movement should be done super strict, cause after all, you’re trying to add mass on your upper back. They should be done strict, and the only type of action that your posterior chain should be involved with is isometric, NOT DYNAMIC!

ha ha, tell that to this guy

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Idalberto Arranda uses his calves as a trampoline when he’s squatting. Just because he extremely strong doesn’t mean he’s doing things right. If Ed Coan told me to round my lower back when squatting I’d slap him.

lol.

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[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
here’s how i do them. i take a wider than shoulder width grip. i’m sure to keep my lower back from rounding and i pull the weight back into my gut. i think you should do them in a way that lets you use as much weight as possible while still protecting the lower back without a huge amount of swing. this is a mass builder and a little body english is expected. those that believe in slow reps with “perfect” form are always small and weak.

I don’t care who you are, your form sucks ass… Either way, you’re still strong…

Rows, either pendlay style, bent style, whatever, should never be done with momentum. You are not trying to train your lower back dynamically. This movement should be done super strict, cause after all, you’re trying to add mass on your upper back. Let us think of it this way, many people consider barbell curls to be one of the best exercises to build your biceps, and yet, none of these people recommend any “body english”. Same thing with rows. They should be done strict, and the only type of action that your posterior chain should be involved with is isometric, NOT DYNAMIC!

…Even though you gave out a crappy advice, you’re still one of the strongest people ever! You’re still awesome so please don’t worry.

BWAHAHAHAHA can’t believe you just knocked on MM’s form and advice

How massive is your back, training with strick form?[/quote]

I’ve always done rows with an extremely stiff torso. There is ZERO momentum… And no, I’m not massive at all… Come on people, you already know how weak I am. Please don’t rub it in my face. It makes me feel insignificant.

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:

Just because he extremely strong doesn’t mean he’s doing things right.

lol.[/quote]

mmmm, it gets a little tricky here, not doing things right?, right for whom?, i mean the guy from the video is a strongman, and as you can see, he’s massive, so i doubt he’s doing “wrong” things.

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[quote]tuchavito wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:

Just because he extremely strong doesn’t mean he’s doing things right.

lol.

mmmm, it gets a little tricky here, not doing things right?, right for whom?, i mean the guy from the video is a strongman, and as you can see, he’s massive, so i doubt he’s doing “wrong” things.[/quote]

It depends. If he’s using rows to build his upper back, and yet uses quite a bit of torso swinging, then he’s doing it the wrong way… And then again, aside from building your upper back, what else is the purpose of rowing?

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
TheDudeAbides wrote:

How massive is your back, training with strick form?

I’ve always done rows with an extremely stiff torso. There is ZERO momentum… And no, I’m not massive at all… Come on people, you already know how weak I am. Please don’t rub it in my face. It makes me feel insignificant.[/quote]

Did you miss that? Went right by you? I have a tendency to do the things that very large and strong people do. Body english and straps are used by lots of large,strong people.

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I thought rounding the back on these was a big no no, but most seem to not care and are just hauling some big fuck off weight.

Maybe I will stop being so pedantic with bowing my back instead of rounding it and my weight will go up.

Am I wrong?

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
here’s how i do them. i take a wider than shoulder width grip. i’m sure to keep my lower back from rounding and i pull the weight back into my gut. i think you should do them in a way that lets you use as much weight as possible while still protecting the lower back without a huge amount of swing. this is a mass builder and a little body english is expected. those that believe in slow reps with “perfect” form are always small and weak.

I don’t care who you are, your form sucks ass… Either way, you’re still strong…

Rows, either pendlay style, bent style, whatever, should never be done with momentum. You are not trying to train your lower back dynamically. This movement should be done super strict, cause after all, you’re trying to add mass on your upper back. Let us think of it this way, many people consider barbell curls to be one of the best exercises to build your biceps, and yet, none of these people recommend any “body english”. Same thing with rows. They should be done strict, and the only type of action that your posterior chain should be involved with is isometric, NOT DYNAMIC!

…Even though you gave out a crappy advice, you’re still one of the strongest people ever! You’re still awesome so please don’t worry.[/quote]

are you kidding me. Kiddo you need to just lift. A little rocknroll is completely fine. you gotta handle big loads to get strong and if you need a little body english to finish those last reps out go for it. As far as curls go shut up. Not that i’m a BB but if you read Arnolds encyclopedia he suggest movement to finish off those killer sets of curls. Thats what makes monsters! Which we all now your not and MEAT is. I really think you should just calm down and lift. Leave the opinions to people that have made there own through hard work and not just repeated someone elses.

As far as the OP the 90 degree or pendlay is wear its at. just make sure you you keep your core tight back straight.

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
I’ve always done rows with an extremely stiff torso. There is ZERO momentum… And no, I’m not massive at all… Come on people, you already know how weak I am. Please don’t rub it in my face. It makes me feel insignificant.[/quote]

You are, you ask stupid questions then mock people that know their shit. You will always be weak and small. Now stop trolling and take up something more you speed like quilting.

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
here’s how i do them. i take a wider than shoulder width grip. i’m sure to keep my lower back from rounding and i pull the weight back into my gut. i think you should do them in a way that lets you use as much weight as possible while still protecting the lower back without a huge amount of swing. this is a mass builder and a little body english is expected. those that believe in slow reps with “perfect” form are always small and weak.

I don’t care who you are, your form sucks ass… Either way, you’re still strong…

Rows, either pendlay style, bent style, whatever, should never be done with momentum. You are not trying to train your lower back dynamically. This movement should be done super strict, cause after all, you’re trying to add mass on your upper back. Let us think of it this way, many people consider barbell curls to be one of the best exercises to build your biceps, and yet, none of these people recommend any “body english”. Same thing with rows. They should be done strict, and the only type of action that your posterior chain should be involved with is isometric, NOT DYNAMIC!

…Even though you gave out a crappy advice, you’re still one of the strongest people ever! You’re still awesome so please don’t worry.[/quote]

I was just reading this thread thinking, “Wow, we’ve got some great, experienced posters commenting on here. Good for T-Nation.” Then I read your post and wonder how anyone takes this place seriously anymore.

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It would be helpful to use words clearly.

A Pendlay Row is a row done the way Pendlay has laid out.

Done totally differently than his rowing method, it is not a Pendlay Row.

The bar being returned to the floor alone, but there being no other similarity, does not make it a “Pendlay Row.”

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I would like to also throw something in the mix. For the past 13 months, I have been talking to a guy at my son’s martial arts class named Glenn. Never knew his last name. I knew he teaches and trains weighlifters because his gym is right across the parking lot. Hell, I even took a couple training sessions with him on Olympic Weightlifting.

But until this post, I was never aware he had invented a well know exercise. With Mark Rippetoe up the street, when he’s not gone, and knowing how well known Glenn is, it would be stupid of me not plug them for information on a constant basis. This doesn’t mean I will stop getting ideas from you guys, but if I have a good live source, why not use them. I’m definitely going to give Glenn some crap for not saying he invented an exercise. He’s a pretty humble guy in my opinion.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
It would be helpful to use words clearly.

A Pendlay Row is a row done the way Pendlay has laid out.

Done totally differently than his rowing method, it is not a Pendlay Row.

The bar being returned to the floor alone, but there being no other similarity, does not make it a “Pendlay Row.”[/quote]

Care to fill us in one the proper method for a Pendlay Row so???

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Dont be so anal about it and do it both ways. I like to start off my rows a bit more strict, makin sure I pause at the top and stretch on the bottom. If you really try to do this, your back will definaetly feel it the next day. Anyways a couple sets like that, and then I like to ramp some more weight on and do some body english. Best of both worlds.

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[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
I thought rounding the back on these was a big no no, but most seem to not care and are just hauling some big fuck off weight.

Maybe I will stop being so pedantic with bowing my back instead of rounding it and my weight will go up.

Am I wrong?[/quote]

I think you’re a little confused…it’s not about rounding/arching lower back, but about using a little legs/lower back drive to get the bar moving. Arching lower back is for safety reason (I strained a spinal erector on heavy BB rows for loosening my arch…).

The big guys on the vids keep an arched back (as long as I can see), and use leg drive to pull bigger weights. As usual, weaker guys (actually ONE weak guy) start pissing everybody off…(I think you understood who I’m thinking of :slight_smile:

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
here’s how i do them. i take a wider than shoulder width grip. i’m sure to keep my lower back from rounding and i pull the weight back into my gut. i think you should do them in a way that lets you use as much weight as possible while still protecting the lower back without a huge amount of swing. this is a mass builder and a little body english is expected. those that believe in slow reps with “perfect” form are always small and weak.

I don’t care who you are, your form sucks ass… Either way, you’re still strong…

Rows, either pendlay style, bent style, whatever, should never be done with momentum. You are not trying to train your lower back dynamically. This movement should be done super strict, cause after all, you’re trying to add mass on your upper back. Let us think of it this way, many people consider barbell curls to be one of the best exercises to build your biceps, and yet, none of these people recommend any “body english”. Same thing with rows. They should be done strict, and the only type of action that your posterior chain should be involved with is isometric, NOT DYNAMIC!

…Even though you gave out a crappy advice, you’re still one of the strongest people ever! You’re still awesome so please don’t worry.[/quote]

my form sucks ass and i’m giving crappy advice but yet, in your own words, i’m one of the strongest people… interesting. i wonder how i got that way?? this will be the one and only time that i will respond to your nonsense. i don’t believe in feeding into internet drama. i’m way to busy for that. the advice i give is real world tested. that means that i’ve used it and use it with the people that i coach. it sometimes flys in the face of so called experts. i’ll give my advice and stand behind my credentials and you can give your advice and stand behind yours. we can then let others decide who they want to listen to.

in my world, you haven’t even earned the right to give anyone advice. until you’ve actually done something significant in the world of lifting, then you are just another poser.

i don’t usually give unsolicited advice but i think you really need some- shut the fuck up, lift heavy shit, compete in something and then, and only then do you even come close to having the right to even have an opinion. i say this all the time- you don’t even know that you don’t know shit.

this is what is comical about the internet. you would NEVER in a million years walk up to me in the gym and tell me my form is crappy or that i’m giving out bad advice becuase you know that i would take your scrawny ass over my knee. you are one of the many boys that i see in the gym using your super strict rowing form with the pink dumbells. you are also the very same little trolls secretly envying how strong i am but then go on one of my youtube videos and trash me. then when i go to your videos, suprisingly you don’t have any.

I see this shit all the time and it ALWAYS holds true- those that trash others never succeed themselves. the true champions work hard, keep their heads down and worry about what they are doing. they don’t have time to post endless nonsense on the internet.

i’m putting out a plee to my fellow T-Nation brothers and sisters, PLEASE stop responding to this little boy. He seriously needs a ton more time to grow up before he has earned the right to be here. If he posts, for the love of God let it go. everytime i see his name it makes my eye twitch a little.

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greatest response…ever