Balkanization/Civil War II/American Decline

I agree, but the left is worse for me.

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We would 100% be better off.

Mmmhh,I dunno… For all their faults, If I’d have to choose between USA/EU vs China/Russia, I’d choose the former every single time.

Either way, anyone coming after my kin will taste lead.

I’d pick the EU over them obviously, but I’m still going full blown rebellion against the commies from Europe.

We left them for a reason.

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Our commies are worse. Euro commies are so 1970.

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Sweden tried socialism… As did East Germany. Failed miserably on both accounts.

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The American woke left is much, much more extreme that even the dumbest European left as they’re approaching the politics with a peculiarly American religious zeal which is baffling to most Europeans.

Macron has created a literal anti-woke governmental task force.

The only country that fell under the spell of le wokisme (as the French say) is the UK, due to a massive cultural dominance you guys have over them.

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I don’t see this at all.

We might have some similarities, but we have some stark differences too.

Our far left are terrible and top the woke charts for sure though.

That being said I’ve been across and visited most of Europe and there isn’t a country there I’d really like to live in - especially not the UK.

It’s pretty much common knowledge in Europe that wokeism is an Anglosphere thing.

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Part of it is that outside of Anglos, women are ok with being women and men are ok with being men. Generally speaking, men and women don’t have an issue with men and women being different from one another.

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Guess this is why I like the South so much. We don’t get as much of that bullshit down here.

People call us backwards, old fashioned, out of touch, bigots, etc.

But, at least we know what a woman is.

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As a New Englander those people are just protecting

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This is a statue in Italy that was recently erected. It portrays a character from a famous poem. There was some backlash about sexualization but the statue still stands. In the US would it even have been made?

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It would, if it was a trans woman. :transgender_flag:

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Or George Floyd.


This woman is happy because Floyd is not pointing a gun at her stomach.


Here, we see a White Progressive checking for anatomical correctness.

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This

So much this

Woke culture is a VERY American thing

Even though many universities will toperate clubs advocating for marxism and whatnot here

I have NEVER heard Aussie uni students go on about pronouns and cultural appropriation, CRT and the likes

Ive seen ONE European high schooler go on about it… and she is considered to be in the fringe minority with her views.

Americas right has gone farther right relative to Europes mainstream right

And Americas left has gone WAY farther left

It’s part of what is fuelling Americas divide

The funny thing is… the extremes being pushed through both sides hardly resonate with the average American

Seriously makes me wonder what the future of US politics entails… surely both parties have to moderate soon no?

Centricism seems paramount in Europe. Nice combination of liberal and conservative policy. Look at NL for reference.

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True.

My friend and I actually call wokeism “Anglo Mind Rot” and use the terms interchangeably.

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Just finished Peter Turchin’s Ages of Discord and am increasingly inclined to believe that most (if not the worst) of our current Balkanization might be behind us.

What’s his reasoning behind this. How does he see that we’ve Balkanized already?
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I’m oversimplifying his argument. But he sees Balkanization in a lot of the usual metrics (political violence, income inequality, etc.).

Most interesting to me is his idea of elite overproduction as a driver of social unrest. This happens when economic and social conditions encourage folks who are on the margins of elite status to decide that they want to leverage their economic power into political/social power. Turchin focuses on the availability of cheap labor as the “enabling condition” historically. But I wonder if low interest rates/cheap capital has been more relevant up until very recently …

I think he believes we are in the final stages of the cultural counter-offensive that began in the late 1960s/early 1970s as the elite consensus of the New Deal began to crack.

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