Hey! Seeking advice from this great community. I’m a newb and regularly healthy 46 y/o, 190lb/86Kg man. Was natural until 3 weeks ago. (except for a SARMS cycle I ran 12 weeks ago for 8 weeks) On my first ever Sustanon 250 dose, I got a very bad adverse reaction where I got a bad case of that appeared food poisoning but from the looks of it was liver intoxication with vomit and 7 days of diarrhea. I am not allergic to anything.Hope you can help me with some questions:
Has anyone experienced something similar?
I’d like to run some baseline tests (too late for baseline, but the next best thing) How long should I wait from that initial pin?
Do I need to do some PCT even if it was the one and only pin?
I’d like to continue my TRT journey but afraid I’ll get the same bad reaction. Shall I switch to Test E or Undecanoate (Nebido) Where I live there is no access to Test C in pharmacies and still haven’t found a reliable alternate source for TRT, so sticking to Pharmacy-grade even if more expensive.
This is commonly referred to as “test flue” if the reaction you experienced was actually from the test. 7 days makes me think it could be something else?
Initial tests for what? I would wait 3-4 months of taking the same dose to let your body adapt and find homeostasis.
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E and C are virtually the same thing. E just has a slightly heavier ester weight. Un has a long halflife so imo it’s harder to dial in. Go with E and pin 2x per week.
Have you had the issue since the first dose?
The only thing(besides the hormonal change) that could effect you would be the carrier oil or the solvents used in the manufacturing process.
It will take 5 weeks or so for test E to reach full blood saturation si I would get bloods at 6 weeks.
I mentioned the 3-4 months for bloodwork but in my mind I was thinking for TRT. You are doing a cycle.
You could try taking test again today if you want.
What i would say though since this is going to be your first cycle is make sure your training and diet are on point before starting. Also make sure your bodyfat is ata good level. Around 12% or so. Make sure to have an AI and PCT on hand BEFORE your start. Use organ protection.
Did you do bloodwork after this to make sure you recovered? SARMS will also shut your balls down to a degree.
While that is true on paper, it’s no longer the case for UGL test E. Some impurity\change in manufacturing method (due to some China law change) is causing massive lumps, welts, PIP, allergic reactions. Data collected across forums across the world.
I will run full bloodwork on Monday. This full labs are quite expensive here, I might need to be selective on what to test on future occasion while on mid-cycle and at the end of it.
Training and diet, I believe they are on point, 5x/week training at least 35-40 min each day, I do some cardio but mostly focused on weights. Diet is between 1800-2000 cals, 36%prot, 27%fat, 37%carbs. BF is at 17.9% on a composition scale. (not those “smart scales” that get it everyday wrong.)
My objective is recomposition, I know it is quite difficult to do so, so I will start by focusing on cutting to get BF to the 10-12% area, then lean bulk.
For PCT, I have Clomid, organ protection milk thistl. Is AI to be incorporated in the cycle or as part of PCT? any recommendations for AI?
aha! So I was on the right direction Sust being the culprit…
I can get my hands on Bayer Primoteston depot. 250mg test E. Would that be ok? Test C is not available on pharmacy and I haven’t found a reliable source where I live. Importing is a mess and takes a very looong time, they tend to be held at customs…
I have limited data on genuine pharma test E as it’s not widely reported on, sorry. Perhaps due to no problems? All I can say is try it and see. People don’t come to forums to complain when all is dandy,
I’ve used multiple brands of test E over the years with no PIP issues unless it was a very large shot or i hit something while inserting the needle. I would not suspect a quality issue with these products but more of a “what oils/solvents a person can deal with”
Just out of curiosity you keep mentioning studies/forums etc. but you don’t mention any real world experience with your advice. Do you have experience?
Unlike deca which I don’t personally use (the other thread we are chatting in), I DO happen to have first hand personal experience with UGL Test C and E.
UGL Test C of any brand always has no issue, subq or IM. Test E of the same concentrations from the same brands produces painful lumps (subq) or crippling pain with no lump (IM, quads, delts, glutes shallow or deep). Accompanied in both cases by severe systemic allergic reactions. I have no access to pharma test E (only pharma test C) to compare. A lot of people who tolerated test E previously have mentioned similar experiences of late, all blaming the China hypothesis. Many are experienced brewers and tried every combo of excipient, carrier and temperature.
I simply see no reason to bother with UGL test E now.
That has not been my experience. I have found UGL testE to be smoother for me that testC. We are all different and react different to different drugs.
I was only asking about your experience out of curiosity. I wasn’t trying to imply anything.
source: steroidplotter.com
Now I need to learn how to safely store test E for those days. It comes in a glass ampule that is broken open and not a vial…
