Back Injury and Potentially Herniated Disc

I am sorry for the book I’ve written. If you get bored while halfway through, glance to the left, stare at my avatar of Hayden Panettiere’s booty, and then continue reading when you feel rested. I’m in desperate need of guidance here and want to make sure all the details are out.

I’m concerned I may have royally messed myself up and don’t have many options for professional help.

After lifting for years, squatting about 350, I stopped about a year an a half ago. I was saving for a house and between working too much to go to the gym and spending too much for membership to justify it I decided to cancel. Also my house shopping included a dream of building a home gym.

So all the time off, working too much, etc, really did a number on my health, weight, and strength. I could feel myself falling apart and I put on around 30 or so lbs of lard. I already was nowhere near lean so I am in horrible shape now. I’m settled into my new house so I decided it was time to began to build my gym.

I ended up with a really sore back a few months ago after an 8 hour non-stop car ride followed the next day by another 8 hour ride back home. My mobility was shot and I was in pain all the time. It didn’t go away after a few weeks and I decided to speed up the gym build. I’ve always found light training to help with a sore back in the past.

Since taking so much time off, my first squat day I warmed up with a few reps with just the bar, getting back into the movement. I was stiff but after 20 reps with just the bar my back felt better than it had in weeks. I started putting weight on and doing a few more reps before upping the weight even more.

I didn’t get far. I hit 135 and after one rep I knew it didn’t feel right. I sat down for a few minutes and my back was worse than ever. Could hardly stand up. even laying down, only certain spinal positions didn’t hurt badly.

That was in early October. After a few months with little to no improvement and daily excruciating pain I had done a ton of reading. Based on the data I can find I think I must have a bulging or herniated disc. Its not muscular and it was not going away. December was a good month and it began feeling better. By about Christmas I was pain free. It seemed to have healed. I went back to squatting again, trying to be very very cautious.

Starting the week of Christmas, day one, body weight only. Three sets, about 20 reps, performed very slow. Lot’s of stretching before during and after. The next day, no pain, felt great. I used the bar only, slows reps, lots of stretching, no problem.

The week went on adding weight. I was sore a few days but it was clearly DOMS from lack of training. I didn’t let it slow me down. Last week, on Wednesday, I hit 125. Loaded the weight, unracked it, and I knew. Something didn’t feel right. Went through with one rep anyway but that was probably not a good idea.

Sure enough, I’m almost right back where I started. After a few days its not as bad as it was. I have mobility but I can still feel the pain when I sit a certain way or move just right. I popped in my Magnificent Mobility DVD today and went through some drills. I am functional. I did a few sets of barbell only squats. I feel OK.

Emotionally though, I am beat down. The last few months have been the most painful of my life. Waking up to the pain and dealing with it all day is just a constant mental drain more than anything.

It seems endless like I’m cursed to have a spine that will never support more than 100 lbs. Gaining so much weight and being clearly in the worst physical shape of my life is bad too. On top of that I have a newly built home gym getting little use because I cannot support more than 100 lbs.

How does one recover from this type of injury without a doctor? I have no insurance and little money to spare. I started V-diet last week trying to shed the extra weight. I’m 8 lbs lighter than I was last week.

I know I’ll not do well in the muscle area on this diet but I need to shed the extra weight for the health of my back. I know that. I’m also going to continue with the Mobility drills, dynamic stretching, etc. I definitely have lost a ton of strength and flexibility in areas that are clearly dangerous to my health.

Besides that, I suppose I just need to go even slower on the squatting. Lift every few days adding 5 lbs each session? That will give me a month or more of every time, training, mobility drills, and healing before hitting the 125 weight that triggered the reinjury.

Am I going wrong anywhere here? What kind of rehab have other members gone through? I have no experience with rehabbing anything. I also have no been to see a doctor in 15 years. That was for a physical so I could play high school sports. I don’t plan to go to one now.

Thank You all for any help or insight you provide.

If you’re doing the V-diet, than the lifting would be necessary to preserve muscle. Do not continue if you’re not going to lift.

It’s very hard to diagnose injuries over the web. I believe herniated discs take only about a month to heal up, but I’m really not sure. I suggest you PM BushidoBadBoy. He’s a chiropractor and seems very knowledgable on the subject matter.

If you can do other lifting without pain, you should probably continue that.

Sorry, but that’s all I’ve got.

[quote]Trenchant wrote:
If you’re doing the V-diet, than the lifting would be necessary to preserve muscle. Do not continue if you’re not going to lift.
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Thanks for the response. First off, remember I haven’t lifted at all for about 18 months. My muscle mass is already screwed. But I am doing squats with the super light duty as discussed above.

Also doing upper body, but cannot use maximal weights as I don’t want to strain my back. Also I am surprised that the mobility drills as see in the MM DVD are actually a work out for me. It’s quite sad how out of shape I’ve got.

That said, I have always had luck with super strict V-Diet-like-eating, even before it was designed and coined. Mainly for the retraining of habits and cravings.

I also expect since I am just getting back into training that my body will likely get some newbie muscle while on the diet but it really isn’t important to me right now. I was a bit over weight before I stopped lifting and I’m now probably 60 lbs over weight.

My health is more important than strength and looking good nekkid and I think shedding the excess weight will do my back more good than I can imagine right now. So I just want it off as fast as I can.

Hey loke,

I have been where you are, i seriously messed up my back and wasnt in a situation to consult a doctor. By serious i mean complete lack of mobility and shooting electrical pains through my body. Long story short im almost at my previous level of activity and two points i cannot stress enough that i hope you are taking care of apart from then mobility work building up your excercises again is enough food, macro and micro wise(without getting too complicated basically just a balanced diet, not your standard food pyramid one, and LOTS of it… trust me you need the nutrients), and sleep.

Take it one day at a time, keep your head up and like Bushido said stay upbeat and find time for the things that make you happy.

This aint shit and you will bounce back… possibly better then ever.
Most people think injuries mean you can never perform like before and i hope thats true. I mean if it works for muscle and bone why not other parts of the body right. Better than before is what im after

Just keep on keeping on my friend.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

Finally, you shouls look up ‘Sargant’ and ‘Sarno’ whos work on depression and anxiety and their role in the prolongation of chronic pain syndromes, should force you to realise that you MUST be upbeat about your recovery or it will never be complete.

BBB[/quote]

so is this why as soon as i quit my summer job that i hated with infinite passion (probably mostly because i was in a lot of pain during most of it…also got borderline depressed due to the injury/anger towards my job) and moved away to school that my back had been recovered all of a sudden? i was really happy to finally get away from the job and of course frosh week was a load of fun.

[quote]Trenchant wrote:

It’s very hard to diagnose injuries over the web. I believe herniated discs take only about a month to heal up, but I’m really not sure.[/quote]

In some cases they can take a lot longer. I’ve been dealing with a herniated disc for over year despite physical therapy and weekly chiro visits. It’s a pain in the ass.

Sorry I couldn’t read it all. Firstly, where is the pain? Has it travelled down the leg at all? I feel your pain brother. About 5 weeks ago, I developed a severe case of sciatica that eventually travelled down the leg. Powered the mighty BSN mass stack I was on top of the world. I was hitting everything as heavy and as hard as I could and beyond. The gains came and came and the weights got retarded. I was repping out 315 (deads) on my high rep back days.

Life was good and I felt warning signs but I mistook them for just being sore. WRONG! Dammit Jim was I wrong. The pain grew and numbness travelled down my leg. I could barely walk, sitting down and getting up was painful. I finally waddled into my chiropractor friends office and told em looking at him square in the eye, “Dude I need you to fix me or you need to take me out in the parking lot and shoot this lame horse.” He laughed and began to work on me.

After 5-6 weeks of his treatments and almost a grand later I’m semi back normal. My take home message is to get to a chiropractor and check what he has to say and offer as treatment. I too, had the possible herniated disc diagnosis and my doc’s treatment fixed my ass.

[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Sorry I couldn’t read it all. Firstly, where is the pain? Has it travelled down the leg at all? I feel your pain brother. About 5 weeks ago, I developed a severe case of sciatica that eventually travelled down the leg. Powered the mighty BSN mass stack I was on top of the world. I was hitting everything as heavy and as hard as I could and beyond. The gains came and came and the weights got retarded. I was repping out 315 (deads) on my high rep back days.

Life was good and I felt warning signs but I mistook them for just being sore. WRONG! Dammit Jim was I wrong. The pain grew and numbness travelled down my leg. I could barely walk, sitting down and getting up was painful. I finally waddled into my chiropractor friends office and told em looking at him square in the eye, “Dude I need you to fix me or you need to take me out in the parking lot and shoot this lame horse.” He laughed and began to work on me.

After 5-6 weeks of his treatments and almost a grand later I’m semi back normal. My take home message is to get to a chiropractor and check what he has to say and offer as treatment. I too, had the possible herniated disc diagnosis and my doc’s treatment fixed my ass. [/quote]

If you dont mind me asking what did the doctor tell you to do?

[quote]DaahsirRoon wrote:

If you dont mind me asking what did the doctor tell you to do?[/quote]

Quit pretending to be King Coleman on the t-bar row and listen to your body more. Hes got a great facility so he had me do back day down in his gym which harnesses the equipment to allow me to do so. Then he became disgusted and shocked when I started going for 6-8 on the BB bent over row.

Learn about hip alignement. If you are typical male,. you will have to do lots of strenghtning work for your upper back, glutes and abs (core) (+stretching antagonists+

[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
DaahsirRoon wrote:

If you dont mind me asking what did the doctor tell you to do?

Quit pretending to be King Coleman on the t-bar row and listen to your body more. Hes got a great facility so he had me do back day down in his gym which harnesses the equipment to allow me to do so. Then he became disgusted and shocked when I started going for 6-8 on the BB bent over row. [/quote]

HAHA

I guess i wasn’t clear, i meant as a treatment. Or was it just that one time? No drugs? No tests?

and i’m surprised your doc knew who Ronnie Coleman even was.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:

Finally, you shouls look up ‘Sargant’ and ‘Sarno’ whos work on depression and anxiety and their role in the prolongation of chronic pain syndromes, should force you to realise that you MUST be upbeat about your recovery or it will never be complete.

BBB

so is this why as soon as i quit my summer job that i hated with infinite passion (probably mostly because i was in a lot of pain during most of it…also got borderline depressed due to the injury/anger towards my job) and moved away to school that my back had been recovered all of a sudden? i was really happy to finally get away from the job and of course frosh week was a load of fun.

I would think it was a MAJOR contributory factor. I mean lets look at soemone whose life is ‘shitty’, i.e they have nothing positive to focus on but lots of negatives, causing stress and anxiety…

All they are likely to think about, in terms of their injury, is the pain and the physical and emotional perceptions of that pain.

How is that going to motivate in a positive way? It can’t. With certain, subborn people, it may motive in a negative way, but that’s not going to be optimal.

Besides this, is has been shown on a neurophysiological level, that the transmission of pain signals up through the spinal cord and into the brain, is enhanced by anxiety.

As a counterpoint, depression actually reduces the ablility of the brains own painkilling centers to function optimally.

So you end up with a tripple whammy. No have nothing posisitve in your life to distract you from thinking about your pain. The nervous system actually potentiates the pain transmitting neurons, resulting in higher levels of percieved pain. And finally, the brain is less able to ‘numb’ the pain during times of inactivity, leading to even more pain perception.

In other words, when your life isn’t going well, chronic pain can really take over your life. Also, it’s relatively easy for acute pain to develop into chronic pain of essentially unknown origin, when you are depressed or anxious.

BBB[/quote]

very interesting thoughts, glad to be out of that rut.

shittiest summer ever

[quote]DaahsirRoon wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
DaahsirRoon wrote:

If you dont mind me asking what did the doctor tell you to do?

Quit pretending to be King Coleman on the t-bar row and listen to your body more. Hes got a great facility so he had me do back day down in his gym which harnesses the equipment to allow me to do so. Then he became disgusted and shocked when I started going for 6-8 on the BB bent over row.

HAHA

I guess i wasn’t clear, i meant as a treatment. Or was it just that one time? No drugs? No tests?

and i’m surprised your doc knew who Ronnie Coleman even was.[/quote]

He basically broke me once a week or adjusted me. He also did alot of spinal decompression procedures in the beginning. As far as test go he had me do basic flexibility exercises. Upon me pathetic demonstration he told me, “Dude you need to work on that.”

I went to him because he too lives and breathes bodybuilding. I would trade him some triceps for some quads lol. Awesome doctor, great man, and a hardcore trainer. As die hard as they come. He’s in the trenches with us chalking up and tearing shit up. Except hes got text book form and wont bring ass to grass on the squat or pull very heavy.