I actually believe that occasional marijuana use is beneficial to a person, especailly and athlete or a powerlifter. After smoking a j you can consume large amounts of food, more than your would normally eat, and as long as it is good food, this can do nothing but help your strength and power…however if you smoke weed often then thats all your gonna want to do and you’ll have no drive to succeed at your sport
[quote]DPH wrote:
hey rich44…here is your argument with alcohol inserted where you wrote pot …do you think your argument works just as well?
drinking alcohol is stupid. I think the pro athletes that get caught should loose their jobs never to return. Also any college players caught should be banned from the pro level. Drinking alcohol will hinder your performance and it has even worse consequences later in life. No good can come from drinking alcohol it just ruins ones health. It pisses me of to see someone work their ass off in the gym and then walk outside and drink a beer. It makes no sense. Only weak willed, and weak minded people drink alcohol. By the way Arnold got away with it because he was on enough roids to kill a horse.
Just my opinion.
rich44 wrote:
I do occasionally drink a beer while watching football, or a glass of wine with a meal.
are you a bad role model?
personally I think you’re a dumbass …just my opinion so I’m sure you won’t care.[/quote]
You are correct I do not care what you think of me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Ofcourse you are the dumbass comparing illegal pot to legal alcohol. I agree that athletes caught DWI should suffer as well. It is not illegal to have a drink but it is illegal to smoke a joint.
my dad told me when he was in high school they told him weed would make him crazy, and want to kill people.
how many of you who think weed is the devil and say its against the law but take anabolic steroids ?
[quote]rich44 wrote:
You are correct I do not care what you think of me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Ofcourse you are the dumbass comparing illegal pot to legal alcohol. I agree that athletes caught DWI should suffer as well. It is not illegal to have a drink but it is illegal to smoke a joint.
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how many lives have been lost due to alcohol?
how many marriages have been ruined because of alcohol?
how many careers, relationships, livers, and brain cells have been destroyed due to alcohol?
and yet to you alcohol is perfectly acceptable (hell, you even use this damaging drug) but pot is bad because pot is illegal…
so you don’t care if a harmfull drug destroys marriages, relationships, careers, livers, brain cells, and lives…you just care whether a drug is legal or not…
funny…
Who cares.
Who cares.
Smoking marijuana will hurt you physically. Inhalitation of hot smoke and burning gases will damage lung tissue, thereby reducing the lung’s capacity to transfer oxygen into the bloodstream. The degree to which deminished lung capacity negatively effects performance is quantatively unknown, but intuitively obvious.
An athelete is an employee. Employee conduct is governed by contractual obligations to the employer, if applicable, or personal choice otherwise. “Personal conduct” clauses are useless, testing clauses are the onIy enforcable measure. If smoking marijuana violates contractual obligations, remedies are also contractual. If non-contractual, and performance is negatively impacted, it is still an employer issue (e.g. bench employee, terminate contract, deal with public relations issues, etc). The "atheletes are role models"arguement reduces to a personal conduct clause.
Who cares.
I sincerely hope you are asking these questions in order to solicit debate rather than influence your own personal choices. Dare I say: “A mind is a terrible thing to waste”?
Make informed decisions and deal with the consequences.
[quote]DPH wrote:
how many lives have been lost due to alcohol?
how many marriages have been ruined because of alcohol?
how many careers, relationships, livers, and brain cells have been destroyed due to alcohol?
and yet to you alcohol is perfectly acceptable (hell, you even use this damaging drug) but pot is bad because pot is illegal…
so you don’t care if a harmfull drug destroys marriages, relationships, careers, livers, brain cells, and lives…you just care whether a drug is legal or not…
funny…[/quote]
Extremely retarded logic, isn’t it?
As long as big daddy government says it’s ok or it’s not ok, they must be right. I mean they just outlawed prohormones, right? Taking prohormones must make you a loser like smoking a joint will.
Again, extremely retarded logic, isn’t it?
[quote]danmaftei wrote:
Here is what you have to understand:
a) Most studies done on marijuana are about as reliable as those on weightlifting, not to mention often biased, so take everything with a grain of salt.
b) It takes a lot of fucking effort to get addicted to the thing.
c) It is relatively safe, depending on how you smoke it, and how much you pay for it. If you get 40’s and smoke a fat jibba, you’re not far away from a cigarette as far as cardiovascular effects go. If you invest some more money and get a water bong, you’ll be doing a helluva lot better. Best yet would be to get a vaporizer, which supplies you with nearly pure THC, the best of all being this mofo, the Ian King of smoking tools: http://shop.grasscity.com/shop/grasscity/vapormed.html
I just wish someone would do a real fucking study on this thing…[/quote]
Actually through a few research studies (can be found on erowid, I’m lazy) joints, followed by pipes, were the most efficient means of getting the most THC out of each puff. Bongs and vaporizers were unfortunately less efficient than these two classic means.
Keep in mind marijuana was made illegal because William Randolph Hearst hated Mexicans and feared hemp paper would hurt his paper business. He started demonizing commericals about the ‘Devil’s Weed’ and some people still hold on to that legacy. It is bullshit though. The government is usually not the best source of advice.
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
rich44 wrote:
By the way Arnold got away with it because he was on enough roids to kill a horse.
Just my opinion.
According to who? You? Most reliable sources I’ve heard from say the amount he was on was fairly tame, specially compared to today’s pros.[/quote]
I have to defend my Governator also. Arnold admits he did roids. It was legal and he was under a doctors care. Look at his ab shots. No bloating. Bunch of haters.
[quote]DPH wrote:
how many lives have been lost due to alcohol?
how many marriages have been ruined because of alcohol?
how many careers, relationships, livers, and brain cells have been destroyed due to alcohol?
and yet to you alcohol is perfectly acceptable (hell, you even use this damaging drug) but pot is bad because pot is illegal…
so you don’t care if a harmfull drug destroys marriages, relationships, careers, livers, brain cells, and lives…you just care whether a drug is legal or not…
funny…[/quote]
lol I agree with you. BUT, also…drugs have ruined and still do ruin marriages, relationships, careers, lungs, brain cells, and lives. Hard drugs defianetly do this trick, marijuana I don’t know. But to a certain extent marijuana does ruin all of the above also. I donno smoking is…retarded in my opinion. We just need good cold hard facts on what marijuana really does and all, then you can re-evaluate your opinions and such on the subject. I kinda think it’s nasty though.
dl-
[quote]Professor X wrote:
calgarynewf wrote:
I used to smoke quite a bit while working out so I have looked into this before. From the always reliable internet, marijuana (and alcohol) lower testosterone and increase estrogen. The bitch tits phenomenon is supposed to be rare.
There have been no recent studies showing a decrease in testosterone or an increase in estrogen from marijuana. [/quote]
[quote]calgarynewf wrote:
Professor X wrote:
calgarynewf wrote:
I used to smoke quite a bit while working out so I have looked into this before. From the always reliable internet, marijuana (and alcohol) lower testosterone and increase estrogen. The bitch tits phenomenon is supposed to be rare.
There have been no recent studies showing a decrease in testosterone or an increase in estrogen from marijuana.
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460895
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I’m sorry, but that article states:
[quote]You don’t drink? Well here is just a list of other drugs that decrease T levels in one way or another:(3,4,25)
1) Aspirin
2) Marijuana
3) Codeine
4) Opioids like Morphine, Methadone, and Heroin
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It then listed these associated articles as proof:
3)Cicero, TJ. J Pharm Exp Thera 202 (3): 670-675, 1977.
4)Conte, D et al., Am J Physiol (Endocrinol Metab, 40) 277: E1032-E1037, 1999.
25)Vermeulen A, Environmental Health Perspectives Supplements 101 (supplement 2): 91-100, 1998.
The first one has the following abstract:
The second comes to the following conclusion:
You can read that abstract here:
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/277/6/E1032
The last one is a challenge because there doesn’t seem to be an article for that date in relation to anything as far as drug use. There is one for 1993 which is as follows:
[quote]HP: Volume 101 Supplement 2, 1993: Impact of the Environment on Reproductive Health
EHP supplements, table of contents, Volume 101 Supplement 2, 1993: Impact of the Environment on Reproductive Health , supplement, toc, Volume 101 …
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/docs/1993/Suppl-2/toc.html - 27.6KB[/quote]
Unless there is something that can be pointed out that I am missing, I have yet to see an article done any time recently outside of the 1970’s that shows a reduction in testosterone.
Marijuana does not lower T levels nor promote estrogen activity or segregation, since now no one proved that. All stuidies that claims to prove that are not accepted by WHO. Bruce Lee was abusing hash and marijuana and was fast as rocket, Arnie did it and was huge like Mt. Everest. I personally know a guy who was 6th in 800m at olimpicg games and is still abusing marijuana. But they are plain lucky, born with predispositions. Coaches and sport authority medics usually prohibit it to their athlets cos it’s effects are not studied enaugh and cos pot can hurt you mentally and lower your motivation as i know. Sorry for my poor english.
[quote]dl- wrote:
lol wait, are you joking? This is an actual question, no sarcasm. Weed “laced”, I’ve seen it laced with E before. You can lace it with anything and it can hurt you.
dl-[/quote]
Then grow it yourself.
I highly doubt that mixing weed with anything is worth the effort (because its so cheap), especially with other drugs, that are usually much more expensive.
any body who sells weed “laced” is a retard and is wasting there money selling it thay way…
Sounds good to me. In any case my comment about the “always reliable internet” was sarcasm, implying that I didn’t trust it.
[quote]dl- wrote:
lol wait, are you joking? This is an actual question, no sarcasm. Weed “laced”, I’ve seen it laced with E before. You can lace it with anything and it can hurt you.
dl-[/quote]
Joints dipped in formaldahyde, kids call it “fry”.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
KombatAthlete wrote:
It probably could help with CNS recovery and relax you, which could be a good thing if you are up tight. I know many good athletes who smoke marijuana with very little negative side effect.
Me too. Not sure how it would help with CNS recovery though.[/quote]
It’s great for gaining weight, for all you skinny bastards out there! Post workout, smoke a j, then eat a whole box of cocoa pops. Actually a pro bodybuilder told me that all he does on Sundays is smoke and eat.
Lmao at “laced” weed! I havent heard that since high school! 
I’ve heard about Reddick getting busted for pot. But who really cares about him or his DUI. He’ll be lucky to last 2 seasons in the NBA. If he wants to make it, he’ll have to add 25 lbs. of muscle & get much much much quicker. It won’t happen though!