Doesnt Pot increase your estrogen levels? I know a few people that were in fairly decent shape in high school that grew man tits after starting to smoke. Of course this took time, and I suppose they used a lot. However I don’t know the details of there useage.
[quote]orion wrote:
rich44 wrote:
Smoking pot is stupid. I think the pro athletes that get caught should loose their jobs never to return. Also any college players caught should be banned from the pro level. Smoking will hinder your performance and it has even worse consequences later in life. No good can come from smoking anything it just ruins ones health. It pisses me of to see someone work their ass off in the gym and then walk outside and lite-up. It makes no sense. Only weak willed, and weak minded people smoke pot. By the way Arnold got away with it because he was on enough roids to kill a horse.
Just my opinion.
you want a pro-athlete to resign because of a drug that you think hinders his performance? I?d be interested in the logic behind that statement.[/quote]
Pro athletes are role models if they want to be or not what kind of message does it send to a 10 yr old child if he finds out his favorite athlete is smoking pot and it is ok because there is little punishment for it unfortunately. They deserve their privacy from media morons but if caught doing something illegal they should fired. If I were caught with pot I would be fired from my job.
Besides I said it was my opinion so why would you care.
[quote]Jagrazor wrote:
Doesnt Pot increase your estrogen levels? I know a few people that were in fairly decent shape in high school that grew man tits after starting to smoke. Of course this took time, and I suppose they used a lot. However I don’t know the details of there useage.[/quote]
It probably had a lot more to do with them turning into fat bastards and pre-disposed genetics for man tits.
[quote]randman wrote:
rich44 wrote:
Smoking pot is stupid. I think the pro athletes that get caught should loose their jobs never to return. Also any college players caught should be banned from the pro level. Smoking will hinder your performance and it has even worse consequences later in life. No good can come from smoking anything it just ruins ones health. It pisses me of to see someone work their ass off in the gym and then walk outside and lite-up. It makes no sense. Only weak willed, and weak minded people smoke pot. By the way Arnold got away with it because he was on enough roids to kill a horse.
Just my opinion.
Just say no to drugs. Listen to Nancy Reagan. This is your brain on drugs. Fried eggs in a pan will kill you. Stay away from pot, your spleen will explode and you will be a loser. Now let’s go have a beer, because that’s much more socially acceptable and there are no negative commercials to brain wash me to the contrary. Just my opinion.[/quote]
I am guessing you are for legalizing pot. The last thing we need is for some moron to be stoned out of his mind driving around. One’s perception is greatly decreased with pot and is as bad as driving drunk. I do not recall mentioning beer but if you want to go there I am strongly against drinking and driving also. You may say not everyone who smokes pot would always be stoned but just like beer some will and some won’t. If someone wants to kill brain cells at home and stay home fine. Just like drinking get a DD or drink somewhere you can stay. There are way too many stupid deaths due to drunk drivers and people on drugs including pot. Whats next do you want them to legalize meth too?
Yes, I am for legalizing it. Driving under any drug influence is stupid. Agreed.
This latest post seems a lot more level-headed than your previous posting, except for the kill brain cells comment. Now you are coming across as someone who’s not demonizing pot by saying that smoking pot at home is fine, just don’t drive under the influence. I agree with you.
No, no hardcore drugs. Nothing with a proven chemical addiction.
It’s your first post that I had a lot of problems with. It came across with misinformation and a general demonizing of pot smoking in general. Let’s see what you wrote.
[quote]rich44 wrote:
Smoking pot is stupid. I think the pro athletes that get caught should loose their jobs never to return. Also any college players caught should be banned from the pro level.
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Lose their jobs never to return? Why? But it’s okay for them to have an occasional drink? Let’s keep the driving subject out of the conversation. Do you drink? At all? Ever? How is an occasional joint so much worse than drinking?
Now we’re getting to the demonization statements. Hinder your performance how? If you light up 5 joints before you perform a sport, then yes, I agree. Same with drinking 5 shots before playing competitive sports. Smoking an occasional joint will hardly hinder your performance. You’re making very general statements.
No good can come from smoking, it just ruin one’s health? Again, very general demonization statement. Have you ever drank, ever? Well, no good can come from drinking anything with alcohol, it just ruins one’s health. Pretty general statement that you could prove wrong in multiple ways.
Why do you have such a visceral reaction to someone smoking pot? Do you have this same reaction when ever you see anyone drink alcohol? Why not? Society appears to have brainwashed you quite effectively. Just my opinion.
P.S.
The reactions and misinformation on this forum to pot smoking by many T-Nation members is exactly like the reaction of the general public to steroids. A bunch of false statements, over-reactions, and misinformation. It never fails when this subject comes up.
[quote]rich44 wrote:
By the way Arnold got away with it because he was on enough roids to kill a horse.
Just my opinion.[/quote]
According to who? You? Most reliable sources I’ve heard from say the amount he was on was fairly tame, specially compared to today’s pros.
[quote]randman wrote:
rich44 wrote:
I am guessing you are for legalizing pot. The last thing we need is for some moron to be stoned out of his mind driving around. One’s perception is greatly decreased with pot and is as bad as driving drunk. I do not recall mentioning beer but if you want to go there I am strongly against drinking and driving also. You may say not everyone who smokes pot would always be stoned but just like beer some will and some won’t.
Yes, I am for legalizing it. Driving under any drug influence is stupid. Agreed.
It’s your first post that I had a lot of problems with. It came across with misinformation and a general demonizing of pot smoking in general. Let’s see what you wrote.
My first post may have been too general but the fact that pot is illegal is enough reason to not smoke it. It can hurt your body and kill brain cells but so can ciggaretts and I feel as strongly against them as I do pot.
Lose their jobs never to return? Why? But it’s okay for them to have an occasional drink? Let’s keep the driving subject out of the conversation. Do you drink? At all? Ever? How is an occasional joint so much worse than drinking?[/quote]
I do occasionally drink a beer while watching football, or a glass of wine with a meal. I am also at home when I drink. I know that alcohol can be bad for you and maybe an occasional joint won’t hurt you too bad but as there are alcoholics out there who give alcohol a bad name and there are also stoners that would take it too far if pot were made legal to smoke. A line needed to be drawn and they drew it at pot. I do not make the laws I just try to stay within them.
I’m staying out of this discussion other than to say pot will not help athlethic performance at all. If it’s minimal, it probably won’t harm it. But it certainly has the pontential to hurt cardiovascular fitness and athletic performance.
Here is what you have to understand:
a) Most studies done on marijuana are about as reliable as those on weightlifting, not to mention often biased, so take everything with a grain of salt.
b) It takes a lot of fucking effort to get addicted to the thing.
c) It is relatively safe, depending on how you smoke it, and how much you pay for it. If you get 40’s and smoke a fat jibba, you’re not far away from a cigarette as far as cardiovascular effects go. If you invest some more money and get a water bong, you’ll be doing a helluva lot better. Best yet would be to get a vaporizer, which supplies you with nearly pure THC, the best of all being this mofo, the Ian King of smoking tools: http://shop.grasscity.com/shop/grasscity/vapormed.html
I just wish someone would do a real fucking study on this thing…
I used to smoke quite a bit while working out so I have looked into this before. From the always reliable internet, marijuana (and alcohol) lower testosterone and increase estrogen. The bitch tits phenomenon is supposed to be rare.
[quote]calgarynewf wrote:
I used to smoke quite a bit while working out so I have looked into this before. From the always reliable internet, marijuana (and alcohol) lower testosterone and increase estrogen. The bitch tits phenomenon is supposed to be rare.[/quote]
There have been no recent studies showing a decrease in testosterone or an increase in estrogen from marijuana.
hey rich44…here is your argument with alcohol inserted where you wrote pot …do you think your argument works just as well?
drinking alcohol is stupid. I think the pro athletes that get caught should loose their jobs never to return. Also any college players caught should be banned from the pro level. Drinking alcohol will hinder your performance and it has even worse consequences later in life. No good can come from drinking alcohol it just ruins ones health. It pisses me of to see someone work their ass off in the gym and then walk outside and drink a beer. It makes no sense. Only weak willed, and weak minded people drink alcohol. By the way Arnold got away with it because he was on enough roids to kill a horse.
Just my opinion.
[quote] rich44 wrote:
I do occasionally drink a beer while watching football, or a glass of wine with a meal.
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are you a bad role model?
personally I think you’re a dumbass …just my opinion so I’m sure you won’t care.
lol if you always look at these marijuana posts, everyone in one way or another gets fired up. What we need to do is:
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Get actual information on it and not just “ideas”, “opinions”, or what your friends say about it or what you’ve heard. Scientific research to end the crap, that’s the best way. I don’t know where the hell to get it and maybe someone does. With no bullshitting, just straight simple, get to the point facts.
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Most people who begin to smoke pot want to do it more and more. (At least that’s what I’ve seen in my school). Also since you get adapted to how much your taking, you continously want more and more to have the same affect. (Once again that’s what I’ve heard from the stoner groups at my school)
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Marijuana isn’t even smoked anymore. Now it’s always laced with other drugs. Making if WORSE for you. Unless your getting it yourself you don’t know what they are lacing it with if you just buy it. It can always be laced and then be “chronic”. And perhaps that was an over-exaggeration that marijuana isn’t even smoked anymore. BUT seriosuly a lot of the times now it’s laced.
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If your like, I donno say…23 years old. YOU shouldn’t be doing drugs at all anymore. You should be looking into greater things such as developing a good solid career for yourself, perhaps finding a girl to start a family. (If that’s what you want). Or yeah do the “I don’t give a fuck, I wanna get high and live it up” typa life, but it doesn’t get you too far.
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Is smoking really that good? If your serious about training and all and wanna go somewhere with it, I don’t know about you, but it shouldn’t even cross your mind. Who cares, save your money, or buy something else. Yes smoking it is your option but instead think of it as a way of quiting.
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I wonder what people will say to all these things I’ve posted above lol. NO I’m not starting shit, but this is just how I’ve thought about this.
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[quote]mattydimes wrote:
what percentage of athletes do you think smoke marijuana? what percentage of basketball players do u think smoke marijuana? will marijuana hurt you physically as in sports performance and strenght and size and mass gains? give me your take on all this. like i read that jj reddick of duke has been busted plenty of times smoking marijuana. nba players such as damon stoudamire and rasheed have had plenty of run ins also. gimme ur insight and take on this subject.[/quote]
We’re all getting off topic. Hell even my post was off-topic. So What perccentage of athletes smoke marijuana? Mmm I don’t know. Probably a few, I don’t think a whole lot. Who cares anyways lol. Basketball players…I don’t know…What about baseball players?, Tennis?, Soccer?, Football?, MMA? GEEZ lol. Seriosuly man I don’t think it matters how many basketball players do it and you mentioned 3. How good is the guy who got busted many times? Maybe if he keeps doing it they will boot him out and get someone to replace him. But right now he’s good, and they are gonna keep him. (I guess. lol). Smoke a lot and it WILL hurt your performance, strength and all that stuff. Smoke like once every 3 weeks I don’t know. I kinda think if people do it often they don’t really care about how their tranining is going and stuff. That NBA player HAS MONEY, and lots of it. lol he doesn’t care, he’s playing good, smoking, probably going to parties. He’s living it up. Anyways that’s all I’ve got to say for now.
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if weed is “laced” its usually oregano or stuff like that. I doubt that this is going to hurt anyone.
lol wait, are you joking? This is an actual question, no sarcasm. Weed “laced”, I’ve seen it laced with E before. You can lace it with anything and it can hurt you.
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From what I’ve seen, responsible people can use cannabis responsibly, not unlike alcohol. Unfortunately, a good many of the users are not responsible people to begin with and so give the others a bad name by being such highly visible losers.
Specifically relating to athletes, if you’re disciplined enough to use it in such a way that it doesn’t affect your drive, you’re able to make objective decisions on when you need to cut it out and follow through, and you’re able to control your dietary intake while high, then I doubt the negatives will too significant. Like everything else in life, the key is moderation and self control.
To the anti drug people I’d like to reiterate that you only notice the fuckups and indiscreet who consume the stuff. You would be quite surprised to discovery some of the more successful users. The legal status forces anyone who gives a crap about their life to be quite careful of who finds out. This from a non user.
There are A LOT of professional atheletes that smoke marijuana. Some more than others and it does not affect their performance, you would be shocked.
I love the reactions on this thread
“It’s the devil’s weed. It’ll fuck you up forever and your family will die and go to hell!!!”
Weed, like alcohol, is probably not going to help your gym progress. Unless you really need an attack of the munchies to help bulk up.
Having the occasional joint or alcoholic beverage is not going to end your life or your athletic career. Unless you get caught under some dope test. Should you resign from your professional athletic career if you get caught? Fuck no.
“If you legalise weed, stoned people will be driving everywhere!!”
Idiots.
I’m not sure of the exact percentage of athletes that smoke weed, but I’m sure it’s a lot higher than most people expect. I have a friend who played college basketball. Just about his entire team smoked and the coach used to smoke with them! They still played well. Let’s not demonize weed till we get some cold, hard facts.