I picked these orals because they’re supposed to be among the safer ones and because i can get them easily. I can also get anadrol, dbol and winstrol though.
Why orals only? Because I don’t wanna poke myself with a needle just yet. Also I don’t really believe that orals can’t work by themselves.
I did read about stacking anadrol w winstrol, but I am a bit scared of the anadrol-sides.
Why would the V-diet be bad for anyone using AAS? It works very well without AAS so I would think it would be even better WITH steroid assistance.
What would a better option to enhance fatloss than using clen? I agree the v-diet is pretty hard on its own so if clen will make it that much worse to tolerate…
[quote]balisong wrote:
I am 180 cm, which is 5’10" I think.
Why would the V-diet be bad for anyone using AAS? It works very well without AAS so I would think it would be even better WITH steroid assistance.
What would a better option to enhance fatloss than using clen? I agree the v-diet is pretty hard on its own so if clen will make it that much worse to tolerate…
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In my experience if you are on AAS you can eat next to nothing and still not lose any muscle… So why eat nothing but protein shakes everyday? It’s boring. I once cut 30lbs by eating a pastry for breakfast, a double-bacon cheeseburger for lunch and three beers for dinner.
I was shooting test and doing light calisthenics and cardio and I was ripped as fuck after 3 or 4 weeks. The nice thing is that the beer and burgers made me happy and the diet was easy as a result. Of course I was also using fish oil and other supps for general health.
I’m not recommending my diet to you, that would be irresponsible, lol… But my point is that you don’t have to be THAT drastic to lose fat and keep muscle when on AAS.
Also, I never said that v-diet with AAS is bad, I just mean that most people who use the v-diet generally don’t have a very good handle on diet principles in general, and people who don’t, shouldn’t be using AAS to compensate for this.
In all honestly, it is SO easy to lose fat, if you know what you are doing and have clear goals and a bit of discipline. I can drop about 6% body fat easily in 2 months with a clean diet and cardio and no AAS. HOT-ROX helps, too. I personally don’t like clen but I guess it works.
I’m not going to tell you what to do. If you want to use AAS with this diet, I guess you’re okay, I just think there are better ways to go about doing things.
Also the clen isn’t going to be doing you much good after the third week.
Eating clean foods with a reasonable calorie deficit will be much less expensive and more enjoyable than sucking down protein shakes and flax meal for four weeks.
I’ve personally achieved the best fat loss results from cycling carbs and calories and doing a ton of energy systems work. When I just flatline with low carbs and calories I hit a plateau every two weeks and feel like a flat lump of shit. This approach is particularly effective with AAS because you don’t have to worry about the catabolic repercussions of the increased cardio.
[quote]arthursaxon wrote:
Eating clean foods with a reasonable calorie deficit will be much less expensive and more enjoyable than sucking down protein shakes and flax meal for four weeks.
I’ve personally achieved the best fat loss results from cycling carbs and calories and doing a ton of energy systems work. When I just flatline with low carbs and calories I hit a plateau every two weeks and feel like a flat lump of shit. This approach is particularly effective with AAS because you don’t have to worry about the catabolic repercussions of the increased cardio.[/quote]
AAS is awesome for sparing muscle. You don’t even need very much at all IMO.
[quote]MasterfulStroke wrote:
arthursaxon wrote:
Eating clean foods with a reasonable calorie deficit will be much less expensive and more enjoyable than sucking down protein shakes and flax meal for four weeks.
I’ve personally achieved the best fat loss results from cycling carbs and calories and doing a ton of energy systems work. When I just flatline with low carbs and calories I hit a plateau every two weeks and feel like a flat lump of shit. This approach is particularly effective with AAS because you don’t have to worry about the catabolic repercussions of the increased cardio.
AAS is awesome for sparing muscle. You don’t even need very much at all IMO.
Also, what the heck is “energy systems work”?[/quote]
I know, it’s a geeky term, but “cardio” makes me think of a fat chick on a stairmaster, and “aerobic” makes me think of Richard Simmons, so I try to use these terms sparingly.
Okay thanks for the replies, gents.
Well, I guess the V-Diet is appealing to my masochistic side, as it IS rather gruesome! Also I like seeing results fast (who doesn’t).
The reason I wanted to do the V-Diet is that it strips the fat off very quickly. My plan was to go for the most amount of mass for as long as possible. Then get rid of as much fat as I could in four weeks of the V-Diet (plus two more weeks of tranitioning back to more regular eating).
Just in time to look fab for my vacation in Egypt.
I will be using tbol in short cycles on and off during the period up untill the V-Diet.
Well, I read somewhere that this is a common practice but that it’s ineffective because the ECA stack downregulates the exact same receptors as the clen.
Anyone having experience with ECA and clen? Which one works best and is it true that cycling them is even better than just picking one?
Also, anyone have any opinions as to how good tbol is for strength gains? (40-50mg/ED)
[quote]balisong wrote:
Well, I read somewhere that this is a common practice but that it’s ineffective because the ECA stack downregulates the exact same receptors as the clen.
Anyone having experience with ECA and clen? Which one works best and is it true that cycling them is even better than just picking one?
Also, anyone have any opinions as to how good tbol is for strength gains? (40-50mg/ED)[/quote]
Never heard this so I can’t help you, but you could always order some HOT-ROX, like I said before. It honestly kicks the shit out of anything else I have ever used except for crystal meth
I don’t believe that switching between ECA and clen helps upregulate the receptors AT ALL. ECA does downregulate the same receptors to a lesser degree and they are not going to ‘recover’ in these two weeks in a way that makes clen more effective. If to use clen for an extended period [which I’m not necessarily recommending] use benadryl or ketotifen every night of the third week. There is an article called ‘steroid dieting’. You should check it out. While it’s true that you can basically eat crappy while on gear and still lose fat, you can also take the opportunity to be strict with your diet ahd shred at breakneck spead.
For some reason it seems HOT-ROX is damn near impossible to get through customs here (Norway) as is Spike and a lot of the other T-Nation products.
And I can’t get it locally.
Guess I will try the clen for two or three weeks then.
