[quote]PKNY wrote:
75mg of prop is actually a little more T then 75mg Cyp based on ester weight,
but stay with the 75mg dose if that’s whats been making you feel better.
There is controversy as to the half life of Prop. I’ve read anything from 1-4 days,
but because I have low SHBG I swear I feel it same day. Anyway, I inject
every day 12.5mg when I get up. I feel like it mimics the natural pattern that
my body would be following anyway. Although, sometimes I do it right before
bed and it seems like I have more energy the next day…YMMV.
If you are going to do daily injects it would just be 75/7 or @11mg per day.
I take 6…25mg aromasin (1/4th of a 25mg pill) every other day. So, if I take it M,
its m w f s, the next week its t th s. I’ve tried to break it up better, but IME it’s easier to just take it
on a regular schedule. Of course, do what makes you feel best and try to get
some blood work after a few weeks.[/quote]
Thank you so much! I don’t know what people meant by it stinging. It even draws easier from the vial than CYP does. By the way, my doctor prescribed 200mg/ml. So, I have a 10ml vial. He wanted 1 ml per week. Any thoughts? Oh, by the way, he prescribed 1ml per week IM.
PKNY,
I have been getting some nodules at my SubQ sites with Prop. Do you know a way I can avoid these. I have been massaging the site after I take the needle out, but after awhile, I get some nodules that hurt. Thanks!
Subq is the problem, I get them no matter the ester when I inject that way.
I use 29g .5 " 1ml insulin syringes.
Shoot it in your delt. I know it seems like it will hurt, but it’s the most painless
injection there is. alternate side to side daily.
[quote]PKNY wrote:
Subq is the problem, I get them no matter the ester when I inject that way.
I use 29g .5 " 1ml insulin syringes.
Shoot it in your delt. I know it seems like it will hurt, but it’s the most painless
injection there is. alternate side to side daily.[/quote]
[quote]PKNY wrote:
Subq is the problem, I get them no matter the ester when I inject that way.
I use 29g .5 " 1ml insulin syringes.
Shoot it in your delt. I know it seems like it will hurt, but it’s the most painless
injection there is. alternate side to side daily.[/quote]
PKNY,
I have been injecting into the delt as you suggested, but I am still getting like a welt at the injection site. This does not happen right away, but as the medicine takes hold. I have two welts on each thigh that hurt from injecting it subq that have not gone away after 4 days. I am assuming the .5" needle makes it into the muscle in the delt, but it still hurts after awhile.
I was not getting these when I injected with cyp Subq. Do you know what might be happening? Could there be something in Prop that is irritating me? Thanks!
Prop requires more benzyl alcohol (as a solvent) to keep the test “in solution.” It’s why Prop is usually dosed at
100mg/ml vs Cyp or Enth at 200mg/ml which requires less BA to dissolve and stay in solution.
More BA, more inflammation at the injection site. Propionic acid (the actual ester) in of itself can also be
irritating to some people.
That said, SubQ isn’t a great method for Prop. From time to time I’ll shoot my quad
with the .5 and if it doesn’t quite get to the muscle I end up with a nasty nodule thing. Have gotten bruises,
and it takes a good week to clear up. Shooting the delt is painless, and you avoid the complications
of SubQ. It’ll take your body a few weeks to get used to it and then you won’t have any further soreness.
[quote]PKNY wrote:
Prop requires more benzyl alcohol (as a solvent) to keep the test “in solution.” It’s why Prop is usually dosed at
100mg/ml vs Cyp or Enth at 200mg/ml which requires less BA to dissolve and stay in solution.
More BA, more inflammation at the injection site. Propionic acid (the actual ester) in of itself can also be
irritating to some people.
That said, SubQ isn’t a great method for Prop. From time to time I’ll shoot my quad
with the .5 and if it doesn’t quite get to the muscle I end up with a nasty nodule thing. Have gotten bruises,
and it takes a good week to clear up. Shooting the delt is painless, and you avoid the complications
of SubQ. It’ll take your body a few weeks to get used to it and then you won’t have any further soreness.
How are your results / symptoms ?
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The pain in the thighs is gradually going away. I am getting some soreness in the delt as well, but it is less than the thigh. I have noticed better results. The libido is definitely better. Thank you for your help in getting my life back. I will see how things go in the delts in the next couple of weeks. I will also get some labs done to see how things stand after I have been on this protocol for a little while. I do feel better overall as well. Again, many thanks PKNY! Hope you had a good Thanksgiving.
[quote]PKNY wrote:
Tigger, glad it’s working out for you! Happy Thxgiving too you too.[/quote]
PKNY,
Just a followup, I continue to inject into the delts, however the Prop continues to make nodules that are pretty sore for several days. This effect has not subsided after three weeks of use. I just was not having that problem on Cyp, but I do feel better overall on Prop except for these nodules. They show up several hours after injection, so I am wondering if there is anything I can do. Thanks!
Tigger, You can use smaller doses on a daily basis.
Try 10-11mg each morning. Keep the dose amount and schedule for the aromasin the same.
I find smaller daily injections are absorbed much faster and aren’t big enough to cause inflammation.
I use 12.5 a day, but I load my slin pin to 25mg and inject half. I swab the needle with a fresh alcohol pad
and recap it for the next day. Some guys will load more and use the syringe/needle up to 5 times, but I find two to be optimal. Obviously switch sides daily.
Cdog, you are looking at PPP right ?
Are you viewing the reviews at source check. or just the web ?
[quote]PKNY wrote:
Tigger, You can use smaller doses on a daily basis.
Try 10-11mg each morning. Keep the dose amount and schedule for the aromasin the same.
I find smaller daily injections are absorbed much faster and aren’t big enough to cause inflammation.
I use 12.5 a day, but I load my slin pin to 25mg and inject half. I swab the needle with a fresh alcohol pad
and recap it for the next day. Some guys will load more and use the syringe/needle up to 5 times, but I find two to be optimal. Obviously switch sides daily.
Cdog, you are looking at PPP right ?
Are you viewing the reviews at source check. or just the web ?
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Didn’t you say you were using 100mg/ml? Mine is 200mg/ml and I am wondering if that is the issue. I was doing 11 a day, and then went to 14, but neither made a difference. It takes more than a week for those nodules to go down. I just wasn’t getting that kind of reaction on CYP, but I didn’t get the results either. Thanks!
The Test Prop you got is 200mg/ml ?
If so, that is where the problem is. Prop is harder to dissolve and to keep “in solution.”
100mg/ml is the std. 200mg requires more BA, and that will cause inflammation.
Cyp is commonly dosed at 200mg/ml and requires far less BA, although you
can get Cyp at 400mg/ml and it puts you in the same boat as the Prop at 200mg/ml.
You can cut your prop with sterile oil, it’s pretty simple, but for a noob it can be problematic.
Can you ask your Doc to get a new RX of 100mg/ml Prop ?
If not, I can give you the steps and things you will need to cut it, but sterility is an issue
and you will need about $70 worth of supplies to do it.
[quote]PKNY wrote:
Tigger, You can use smaller doses on a daily basis.
Try 10-11mg each morning. Keep the dose amount and schedule for the aromasin the same.
I find smaller daily injections are absorbed much faster and aren’t big enough to cause inflammation.
I use 12.5 a day, but I load my slin pin to 25mg and inject half. I swab the needle with a fresh alcohol pad
and recap it for the next day. Some guys will load more and use the syringe/needle up to 5 times, but I find two to be optimal. Obviously switch sides daily.
Cdog, you are looking at PPP right ?
Are you viewing the reviews at source check. or just the web ?
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can you use free membership to check things out or did you pay for membership
[quote]PKNY wrote:
The Test Prop you got is 200mg/ml ?
If so, that is where the problem is. Prop is harder to dissolve and to keep “in solution.”
100mg/ml is the std. 200mg requires more BA, and that will cause inflammation.
Cyp is commonly dosed at 200mg/ml and requires far less BA, although you
can get Cyp at 400mg/ml and it puts you in the same boat as the Prop at 200mg/ml.
You can cut your prop with sterile oil, it’s pretty simple, but for a noob it can be problematic.
Can you ask your Doc to get a new RX of 100mg/ml Prop ?
If not, I can give you the steps and things you will need to cut it, but sterility is an issue
and you will need about $70 worth of supplies to do it.[/quote]
Yes, the prescription I got was 200mg/ml. I will contact my doctor and see if I can get it at 100mg/ml. Should I still be doing 12.5 with the 200mg/ml, or should I use less? I will let you know. Thanks! I would like to know how to cut it if possible. I don’t want to lose what I have paid for.
