[quote]ckg21 wrote:
“Arnold can’t even look like Arnold. He’s 60 years old.”
–Well if he was DETERMINED enough, why would age matter?
“Genetics are kinetic energy that will only be released thru determination.”
–By all means, feel free to elaborate on this point.
“from the last time i checked, the average musician looks like they smoked about 2000 lbs of pot throughout their lifetime. can barely reme,ber their own birthday. and have not bit of musical knowledge other than a power cord.”
–And, of course, you happen to have “checked” every musician in the world to determine what the average one looks like. It’s not like you watch a lot of MTV or teen movies and are basing your point of view off of a stereotype, or anything.
“first of ALL…the greatest musicians in the word dont understand music at all.”
Well, it’s a good thing we’ve already established you know every musician in the world. Otherwise, your claiming to know what all the greats do and do not know would seem a little far fetched.
As far as Jimmy and Eric are concerned- I don’t disagree when you say they are great guitarists. But just because you can cite ONE great who can’t name chords and ONE who plays in a rather simple scale doesn’t prove your point. Jimmy could be the exception, not the rule, and Eric could have just found a style that, though simple, is one he likes to play and that others enjoy listening to. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t know anything beyond that.
Besides, all you’re doing is cherry picking two popular musicians to try to make a statement about the whole. I’d guess there are (at least) thousands of great musicians out there who are completely unknown yet compose some pretty incredible pieces and who can hold their own when it comes to music theory. For God’s sake, you can hear some really impressive stuff just hanging out in a subway station. Just because they aren’t popular or heard of doesn’t mean they aren’t great at what they do, nor does it mean they don’t know music.
“You do not need any bit of genetic gift to be able to play the guitar.”
Of course not. You don’t need to have any genetic gifts to do anything, really. Guitar, ballet, billiards, you name it. You can do it all even if you have no genetic gifts. You just won’t be that good at any of them. To be great, or even just skilled, at anything requires some amount of genetic potential.
“imagination is more important than knowledge” - Einstein"
–OK, just because we didn’t buy into this quote the FIRST time you used it doesn’t mean we will gasp in awe of your genius and start pawing at your crotch like starved raccoons the second time around. Just because it may be more applicable to the points you’re trying to make in this post doesn’t mean jack.
“we are now on my horrible typing and spelling”
–And why not? When you are trying to make an intelligent, thoughtful argument, the least you can do is present yourself in an intelligent, thoughtful way. Sure, the Internet (and most message boards) is generally a colloquial environment, but when participating in an intellectual debate, the least you can do is present your argument in a way that ISN’T reminiscent of fingerpaintings on cave walls.
“Im out”
–Nope. Not only are you a crappy debater, your very next post will show you to be a liar, to boot.
"drivel? ok! i’ll give you that. they’re not supposed to be intellectual pieces of garbage. "
–Whaa? Drivel IS, pretty much, garbage. So you’ll “give us” our assessment that your points, which aren’t supposed to be garbage, are, in fact, garbage?
Am I missing something here?
“i have also been tested on I.Q. and tested very high”
–No, you weren’t. Your writing reeks of poor spelling (not typos, as you consistently make the same mistakes over and over and over), 1st grade grammar, and made up words (Page 6, your first post:: muscularily?)
And don’t try to argue that none of that matters. Your writing is so poor it’s insulting to me for you to claim a high intelligence level. You’re not fooling anyone. It’s as simple as that. Don’t try to debate this point, I will not dignify it with a response.
"your barking up the wrong tree, i never even heard of the musicians you named "
–He’s barking up the RIGHT tree. Just because you don’t know all the branches, or even more than a few, on that tree doesn’t mean anything. Ignorance doesn’t prove your point, at all.
"why do so many people on here care to prove me right or wrong. you can’t do it with subjective reasoning. "
–This is a pretty standard argument for teens who think they’re smarter than they actually are. Stating such an obvious fact is by no means impressive. You can’t argue blue is better than green. You can’t argue blondes are better than brunettes. Cool, we get it. But when it comes to measuring GREATNESS at a particular sport, event, achievement, or competition, there HAS to be some sort of acceptable criteria upon which to judge greatness.
You just cannot make an argument that my little sister is a greater basketball player than Michael Jordan.
You cannot make an argument that my arthritic grandmother is a better tapdancer than Michael Flatly just because you say she is.
The fact is, when it comes to awarding special recognition for “greatness” at a particular thing, there IS a general rubric upon which people are judged, subjective as such opinions may be.
"ok, this thread has over a 100 replies on it, mostly mine…i started the thread "
—K…want a cookie?
“to play “stairway to heaven” does not make you a musician in my book”
–Musician: One who composes, conducts, OR PERFORMS music, especially instrumental music.
That’s not in your book, I know. It’s in that other one. You know, the big one that talks about all the words in our language.
My advice would be for you to put down YOUR book and start picking up new ones.
You know, the thick ones. The kind without a lot of pictures.
“guess what everyone of them created their own music and sold millions of albums, how about your musicians? they are a little different I think”
Without dissing their talents- just because they sold millions of albums doesn’t necessarily make them good musicians. Just like starring in a ton of shitty movies doesn’t make Rob Schneider a good actor (oh, wait, this is subjective, right?)
“There is a secret to genetic potential that only a few of us realize. I know what it is, and so do some others. Arnold also knew.”
–haha, this is the opening to every $39.99 (for a LIMITED TIME ONLY!!!) ebook on how to get hyooooge in only 30 days I have ever seen. Did you happen to smuggle this secret out of the USSR, or learn it from Tibetan monks? Is it information formerly classified as “Top Secret” by the CIA for use in the Cold War? Gimme a break.
“I am out of this post now.”
–Good
(Insert his next post)
–You filthy liar. Have you no shame? Have some integrity and just stop posting when you say you will. If you don’t care what we think, and we can’t change your mind, then it’s useless for you to still post.
Your argument is being shredded by just about every member of this board. Your points would be laughable if you didn’t believe so strongly in them. Now, they’re just sad. My advice would be for some mod to just lock/delete this thread, because the tripe being spewed in here is just pathetic.
Just my 2 cents.[/quote]
your 2 cents is worth about 2 cents
now this famous persons 2 cents is invaluable…(IronMan, May 1983)
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