I almost forgot k091871 who looks like a pro already:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1284055
And newbie RonC:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1278436
But of course, I NEVER give praise.
Never.
At all.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
- That topic should have never come up
- It is impossible to say you were focused and intense in the gym while discussing the abs of pop stars with your wife.
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True.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
True.[/quote]
Really? Have you never seen a martial artist break concrete blocks within 30 seconds after holding a conversation? If not, do you live under a rock? Do I need to link a video? Or do you think breaking concrete requires no concentration?
If so, then you know he was able to focus prior to the task. Why is it incomprehensible for someone bodybuilding to focus the same prior to a set?
Have you never watched a bodybuilding video where the lifter talked prior to the set and yet focus prior to commiting to the set? If not, then do you must live under a rock? Need a video for this?
I’ll have to agree with petedacook. Many assumptions are made with many judgements passed. I don’t doubt Prof X’s intelligence, training intensity, or results in the gym.
In most posts I have read however, profx’s replys come off as arrogant and condescending. He seems to automatically assume the person he is replying to is retarded, lacks any common sense, and lacks the necessary drive and ambition to achieve what his/her goals are.
If he is trying to intimidate, I believe he succeeds in many cases. Being a well- spoken and intelligent person with the knowledge he has about weight training it seems like it would be very easy to put people in their place.
I'm not saying he never praises anyone but i do see many oportunities wasted to pass on the knowledge to some 15yr old pimple faced newbie that obviously does not know jack shit - but wants to know. Maybe he is going about it the wrong way, he doesn't eat enough, he's doing curls in the squat rack and he posted his skelator picture asking if he should cut.
This person obviously doesn’t know shit and probably needs a little flaming to bring him back to reality but profx could be one of the guys to steer him in the right direction instead of generally alienating him. It’s easy to flame that kid - it’s hard to help him.
I'm not saying it is profx's or anyone elses responsibility to help somebody out but why would you want to alienate someone from an activity that has obviously given so much to you.
[quote]Man O’ War wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
Man O’ War wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
By the way Bonzi… if you look up the word “bodybuilding” in the dictionary, it just says “Arnold Schwarzenegger”… that’s all it says. Nothing else.
Bodybuilding… Arnold Schwarzenegger
Boxing… Muhammad Ali
Baseball… Babe Ruth
Any questions?
Yep. Who have you got for Basketball?
Wilt Chamberlain.
I think I’d better start another thread for this debate.[/quote]
Well, where is it?
[quote]matt88 wrote:
I’ll have to agree with petedacook. Many assumptions are made with many judgements passed. I don’t doubt Prof X’s intelligence, training intensity, or results in the gym.
In most posts I have read however, profx’s replys come off as arrogant and condescending. He seems to automatically assume the person he is replying to is retarded, lacks any common sense, and lacks the necessary drive and ambition to achieve what his/her goals are.
If he is trying to intimidate, I believe he succeeds in many cases. Being a well- spoken and intelligent person with the knowledge he has about weight training it seems like it would be very easy to put people in their place.
I'm not saying he never praises anyone but i do see many oportunities wasted to pass on the knowledge to some 15yr old pimple faced newbie that obviously does not know jack shit - but wants to know. Maybe he is going about it the wrong way, he doesn't eat enough, he's doing curls in the squat rack and he posted his skelator picture asking if he should cut.
This person obviously doesn’t know shit and probably needs a little flaming to bring him back to reality but profx could be one of the guys to steer him in the right direction instead of generally alienating him. It’s easy to flame that kid - it’s hard to help him.
I'm not saying it is profx's or anyone elses responsibility to help somebody out but why would you want to alienate someone from an activity that has obviously given so much to you.[/quote]
Yes, the guy has been “alienated” into filling this board with even more posts. If anything, what you can claim is that my posts may upset people, but scare them off is exactly what it DOES NOT do.
That means you have no point. We have seen this guy’s pics. Unless his wife is truly motivated and is making major changes as well (or is already a personal trainer) it would seem my assumption isn’t that far from reality. He’s just pissed because someone pointed it out.
Haha, this is too funny…
Just to let you know, Arnold would never prescribe his workouts to a typical trainee, and probably not to the greatest bodybuilders. He knows that training is individual, and he has an extensive and holistic system to it. Arnold doesn’t have all the science to back it up, but if it were possible to consult with him, and that he would offer a routine for you personally, if you followed it the way he would want you to, you would acheive results.
I’m sure that’s pretty easy to understand… And he would probably be the first to state that he is not the formative powerlifting coach of olympic lifting coach. But if all you want is your muscles to grow, I don’t see how he’s not one of the experts… because he is.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
So, I encountered another scenario this evening that pretty much convinced me to just say: “Arnold says…XXX” instead of saying anyone else.
This evening in the gym my wife asks me if we are doing abs again. I introduced an additional day of abs to her this week, and she thought we would do them again. I told her no. She asked why and I went on to explain.
I was interested to see what her response would be if I quoted another accomplished bodybuilder. So I told her that many body builders say one of the most common mistakes is training abs everyday. I said Lee haney says one of the most common mistake made is training abs everyday.
She looks at me, frowns and says, well Britney Spears does 500 crunches everyday and she is well known for that. Inside I was outraged. My wife has seen pictures of Gina Alliotti, and other T-girls abs I have shown her on this site.
I sucked it up and said yea, but look at Britney’s abs. She said yea, now, but they used to look nice. I personally think Britney’s abs looked about like a young girls abs should look, I dont ever recall being impressed with muscle seperation on Britney Spears.
So, I told my wife I would show her “real” abs when we got home. Then I reminded her, you have seen those abs on T-Nation, you know they blow Britney’s away. She shrugged and said, yea, but Britney says to do 500 crunches a day.
At this point the conversation/argument was out of control and I was getting pissed off. I ask her if she even knows who Lee Haney is. She says no. I tell her he is a 8 time Mr. Olympia winner. I go on to say you take the advice of Britney spears for training Abs over an 8 time Mr. Olympia winner.
I am truncating the conversation, but come on man, how can you argue Britney Spear’s, little Ms. Whote trash wannabe pop star, ab workout recommendation to that of Lee Haney? JESUS!
I will say I elaborated and explained that resistance training must progress and 500 crunches no more no less fails that test, and that we dnt work any muscle everday and know it is not reasonable.
Next time, I am just going to save the trouble and say Arnold says it. I think I could have avoided the entire ugly scenario if I had just said Arnold says abs not everyday.
Man, I am still in disbelief…Britney Spears. [/quote]
What the hell are you talking about? Why would your wife respond to the training advice of bodybuilders she has never heard of? It’s natural for her to look to women whose bodies she thinks are [or were] great and look to what they say about training and diet.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
What the hell are you talking about? Why would your wife respond to the training advice of bodybuilders she has never heard of? It’s natural for her to look to women whose bodies she thinks are [or were] great and look to what they say about training and diet.[/quote]
Which leads us to “why is someone who is planning such a HUGE physical change training with someone who pays such little attention to the training world as a whole?” I am sure those workouts are just awe-inspiring. I bet people gather around in groups to watch.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This right here is why I don’t understand the guys I see half assing through a workout because they have their half-interested girlfriend/wife along for the ride.
- That topic should have never come up
- It is impossible to say you were focused and intense in the gym while discussing the abs of pop stars with your wife.
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That right, leave the bitch at home. Have her prepare your PWO.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
That right, leave the bitch at home. Have her prepare your PWO.[/quote]
I wish I could get her to prepare my pwo.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
What the hell are you talking about? Why would your wife respond to the training advice of bodybuilders she has never heard of? It’s natural for her to look to women whose bodies she thinks are [or were] great and look to what they say about training and diet.[/quote]
Thats my point. Read back to my post back a few back where I answered the openers question. Hopefully that will clear it up.
AHH, I love T-Nation
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
What the hell are you talking about? Why would your wife respond to the training advice of bodybuilders she has never heard of? It’s natural for her to look to women whose bodies she thinks are [or were] great and look to what they say about training and diet.
Thats my point. Read back to my post back a few back where I answered the openers question. Hopefully that will clear it up. [/quote]
Yeah. I just don’t understand what you’re upset about. It’s very unrealistic to expect her to look to Lee Gironda and pattern her behavior after that. I don’t mean it in a mean way, but I think Prof. X has valid points. Something to think about. Whether you two are on the same wavelength and your goals are compatible to be training partners, aside from the physical difficulties of training with someone much weaker and at a different place developmentally.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Yeah. I just don’t understand what you’re upset about. It’s very unrealistic to expect her to look to Lee Gironda and pattern her behavior after that. I don’t mean it in a mean way, but I think Prof. X has valid points. Something to think about. Whether you two are on the same wavelength and your goals are compatible to be training partners, aside from the physical difficulties of training with someone much weaker and at a different place developmentally.
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I don’t think your being mean and I take your feedback with an open mind.
But, can you honstly look at my before pics, and pics 9 weeks after starting training after taking 4 years off and honestly say it is obvious I lack focus in the gym and don’t try?
It’s ok, you can be honest. If you feel the pics make it obvious I have been jerking off the past 9 weeks, then say so.
I personally think 9 weeks is not very long. Weight training after 4 years of being sedentary you get extremely sore just looking at the weight for the first 1-4 weeks back. So you can’t train really hard during that time frame, not many sets, not much straining. You have to take it easy or you wont be able to move from being sore. At least that is what occurred with me.
Hell, if you tell me that yes, it is obvious your a slackass, it will only make me re-think and focus more.
Thanks
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Yeah. I just don’t understand what you’re upset about. It’s very unrealistic to expect her to look to Lee Gironda and pattern her behavior after that. I don’t mean it in a mean way, but I think Prof. X has valid points. Something to think about. Whether you two are on the same wavelength and your goals are compatible to be training partners, aside from the physical difficulties of training with someone much weaker and at a different place developmentally.
I don’t think your being mean and I take your feedback with an open mind.
But, can you honstly look at my before pics, and pics 9 weeks after starting training after taking 4 years off and honestly say it is obvious I lack focus in the gym and don’t try?
It’s ok, you can be honest. If you feel the pics make it obvious I have been jerking off the past 9 weeks, then say so.
I personally think 9 weeks is not very long. Weight training after 4 years of being sedentary you get extremely sore just looking at the weight for the first 1-4 weeks back. So you can’t train really hard during that time frame, not many sets, not much straining. You have to take it easy or you wont be able to move from being sore. At least that is what occurred with me.
Hell, if you tell me that yes, it is obvious your a slackass, it will only make me re-think and focus more.
Thanks[/quote]
I haven’t seen your pics. But if you’re happy with your progress and training with your wife is working for you, by all means keep it up. A nice way to spend some time together. I wouldn’t work out with my girlfriend as a training partner. But I’ve worked her out and trained her on several occasions. We’ve enjoyed it and she’s gotten a good workout and learned some new things.
[quote]bonzi50 wrote:
Whats the deal with everyones obsession with Arnolds body building knowledge? It is just irritating when people compare routines to what Arnold was doing.
Im not trying to insult him but I mean didn’t he just gradually make adjustments to a program he made when he was 15 years old?
He worked hard
He took roids
He was gifted
He got results
To me that doesnt earn him an honorary PhD in exercise physiology.
I remember an interview I saw a few years ago with Arnold and he was answering a few questions about training and he sounded like he wasnt anymore knowledgeable than the “big” guy at every other gym I?ve ever met.
Does this bother anyone else?
or am I missing something?
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olympic lifter…then…bodybuilder…then mr. olympia…then mr. olympia again…and again…and again…then b-movie actor…then highest paid actor in hollywood…author…family man…oh, yeah…then governor of fucking california. keynote speaker at the RNC. who knows what’s next? you gonna sell him short?
don’t hear much about him being the god of bodybuiling knowledge, although he was a pioneer. i think the admiration most have for the guy is for bodybuilding and beyond.
Bump…simply because someone else posted a link to it in another thread recently.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bump…simply because someone else posted a link to it in another thread recently.[/quote]
Now now Professor, let’s be a little more specific. I pointed this thread out as an example of you being an “assumption jumping jackass who sees himself as “king of T-Nation.””:
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2027428&pageNo=8#2032432
I have to admit, if you scroll back in that thread, it seems other people are drawing similar conclusions.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Bump…simply because someone else posted a link to it in another thread recently.
Now now Professor, let’s be a little more specific. I pointed this thread out as an example of you being an “assumption jumping jackass who sees himself as “king of T-Nation.””:
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2027428&pageNo=8#2032432
I have to admit, if you scroll back in that thread, it seems other people are drawing similar conclusions.
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One other person who doesn’t even post regularly. I am sure you have much in common. Let’s recap… about some thread that you have obsessed over for 2 years now…enough so that you are literally still upset by it.
- You wrote that I never compliment anyone.
That was pretty much proven to be false by the many threads I linked where I WAS complimenting someone.
2)You got this bent out of shape because your workouts with your much weaker significant other were brought into question…in 2006.
Apparently you feel no one should hold that opinion.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t feel the need to rummage through posts over 2 years old just to hold a grudge over something that wasn’t that serious to begin with.
I hope every other pursuit in your life is more successful than this thread or your attempts to call me out.
Good luck and have a great one.