Arnold Obsession

Whats the deal with everyones obsession with Arnolds body building knowledge? It is just irritating when people compare routines to what Arnold was doing.

Im not trying to insult him but I mean didn’t he just gradually make adjustments to a program he made when he was 15 years old?

He worked hard
He took roids
He was gifted
He got results

To me that doesnt earn him an honorary PhD in exercise physiology.

I remember an interview I saw a few years ago with Arnold and he was answering a few questions about training and he sounded like he wasnt anymore knowledgeable than the “big” guy at every other gym I?ve ever met.

Does this bother anyone else?
or am I missing something?

where do you see people honoring Arnold’s knowledge of lifting like he’s some guru?

[quote]bonzi50 wrote:
Whats the deal with everyones obsession with Arnolds body building knowledge? It is just irritating when people compare routines to what Arnold was doing.

Im not trying to insult him but I mean didn’t he just gradually make adjustments to a program he made when he was 15 years old?

He worked hard
He took roids
He was gifted
He got results

To me that doesnt earn him an honorary PhD in exercise physiology.

I remember an interview I saw a few years ago with Arnold and he was answering a few questions about training and he sounded like he wasnt anymore knowledgeable than the “big” guy at every other gym I?ve ever met.

Does this bother anyone else?
or am I missing something?

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You’re missing a whole lot of something… and I don’t want to tell you what it is there, “Einstein”.

[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
where do you see people honoring Arnold’s knowledge of lifting like he’s some guru?[/quote]

I know it’s not common around here but I have some friends that idolize him as if he is the ultimate authority on weight lifting. But to me that seems to be the generally excepted opinion.

[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
bonzi50 wrote:
Whats the deal with everyones obsession with Arnolds body building knowledge? It is just irritating when people compare routines to what Arnold was doing.

Im not trying to insult him but I mean didn’t he just gradually make adjustments to a program he made when he was 15 years old?

He worked hard
He took roids
He was gifted
He got results

To me that doesnt earn him an honorary PhD in exercise physiology.

I remember an interview I saw a few years ago with Arnold and he was answering a few questions about training and he sounded like he wasnt anymore knowledgeable than the “big” guy at every other gym I?ve ever met.

Does this bother anyone else?
or am I missing something?

You’re missing a whole lot of something… and I don’t want to tell you what it is there, “Einstein”.
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no really I want to know.

but please don’t bother with explaining how much success he experienced when he was at the top of his game. everyone knows that.

explain to me what i am missing. I’m not trying to be a know it all. in fact, all i do know is that i don’t know it all.

I mean why not give ronnie and others the same kind of honorary guru status.

Is it that Arnold is considered by some to be the first of the modern body builders?

[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
where do you see people honoring Arnold’s knowledge of lifting like he’s some guru?[/quote]

Well, Go Heavy Fool posted right after you. However, he does have the results to show that what he does works, just like Arnold did back in the day.

[quote]bonzi50 wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
bonzi50 wrote:
Whats the deal with everyones obsession with Arnolds body building knowledge? It is just irritating when people compare routines to what Arnold was doing.

Im not trying to insult him but I mean didn’t he just gradually make adjustments to a program he made when he was 15 years old?

He worked hard
He took roids
He was gifted
He got results

To me that doesnt earn him an honorary PhD in exercise physiology.

I remember an interview I saw a few years ago with Arnold and he was answering a few questions about training and he sounded like he wasnt anymore knowledgeable than the “big” guy at every other gym I?ve ever met.

Does this bother anyone else?
or am I missing something?

You’re missing a whole lot of something… and I don’t want to tell you what it is there, “Einstein”.

no really I want to know.

but please don’t bother with explaining how much success he experienced when he was at the top of his game. everyone knows that.

explain to me what i am missing. I’m not trying to be a know it all. in fact, all i do know is that i don’t know it all.[/quote]

People venerate and idolize Arnold because he is to bodybulding what Stan Lee was to comics or Tony Hawk was to skateboarding.

The thing these gentlemen have in common is not that they were best at what they did, it’s that they brought their fields to the general public. They virtually invented the game.

For decades, bodybuilders did Arnold’s split. It wasn’t until the mid-80’s, with Mentzer and Dorian, that people even began to consider that high-volume training 12 times a week might not be the only way to go.

Another reason for the (sometimes misguided) Arnold worship is the man himself. he was fond of explaining his optimism and postive outlook with the phrase, “Whereever i am, that’s the place to be.” People cannot help but be swayed by that kind of self-confidence.

[quote]bonzi50 wrote:
no really I want to know.

but please don’t bother with explaining how much success he experienced when he was at the top of his game. everyone knows that.

explain to me what i am missing. I’m not trying to be a know it all. in fact, all i do know is that i don’t know it all.[/quote]

I will give you a word, just to clue you in. This word is more important than anything about training you will ever read. And, if you don’t understand what is meant by this word… than this is exactly why you don’t understand “Arnold”, or why anybody would give him credit for his training idealology.

The word is “IMAGINATION”.

[quote]bonzi50 wrote:
I mean why not give ronnie and others the same kind of honorary guru status.

Is it that Arnold is considered by some to be the first of the modern body builders?

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Arnold looks like a very muscular human being. Ronnie coleman looks like., uh, well. I am not sure. I wouldn’t mind looking like arnold, but no one could pay me enough to look like ronnie. You also mentioned that arnold just made changes to the routine he developed when he was fifteen. Guess what. If more people stayed focused, and continued lifting, making small changes when needed then they would be a lot better off then people that bounce all around.

Also, arnold seemed to bring bodybuilding into the home. Not to many people know who ronnie coleman, or lee priest is, but almost everyone knows about arnold. he was to bodybuilding what jenna jameson was to quality entertainment.

I am sorry that you are suffering from small penis syndrome. We understand that complaining about people looking up to well respected people in fields they are knowledgable about helps to allieviate your suffering.

[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
bonzi50 wrote:
no really I want to know.

but please don’t bother with explaining how much success he experienced when he was at the top of his game. everyone knows that.

explain to me what i am missing. I’m not trying to be a know it all. in fact, all i do know is that i don’t know it all.

I will give you word, just to clue you in. This word is more important than anything about training you will ever read. And, if you don’t understand what is meant by this word… than this is exatly why you don’t understand “Arnold”, or why anybody would give him credit for his training idealology.

The word is “IMAGINATION”.[/quote]

oh boy…

[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
bonzi50 wrote:
I mean why not give ronnie and others the same kind of honorary guru status.

Is it that Arnold is considered by some to be the first of the modern body builders?

Arnold looks like a very muscular human being. Ronnie coleman looks like., uh, well. I am not sure. I wouldn’t mind looking like arnold, but no one could pay me enough to look like ronnie. You also mentioned that arnold just made changes to the routine he developed when he was fifteen. Guess what. If more people stayed focused, and continued lifting, making small changes when needed then they would be a lot better off then people that bounce all around.

Also, arnold seemed to bring bodybuilding into the home. Not to many people know who ronnie coleman, or lee priest is, but almost everyone knows about arnold. he was to bodybuilding what jenna jameson was to quality entertainment.

I am sorry that you are suffering from small penis syndrome. We understand that complaining about people looking up to well respected people in fields they are knowledgable about helps to allieviate your suffering.[/quote]

uh…

anyone else

the feedback i am getting from this question is yet another frustrating thing about this debate. I mean why do people get so defensive.

I like arnold but i don’t place him or his routine at the pennicle of weight lifting. I also don’t defend him like he is my mother.

although i am not trying to attack him in any way.

[quote]bonzi50 wrote:
the feedback i am getting from this question is yet another frustrating thing about this debate. I mean why do people get so defensive.

I like arnold but i don’t place him or his routine at the pennicle of weight lifting. I also don’t defend him like he is my mother.

although i am not trying to attack him in any way.

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The only people acting as if his advice is the end all of training…are the same people who log in here and are perplexed because they change their routine every single week based on what article comes out and they aren’t making all that much progress. It is the same type of person. People like that don’t think for themselves. Maybe they can’t…or maybe they just never learned. They won’t listen to several sources in an effort to learn how to create what works best for them…they will simply follow what [insert guru here] says until a newer guru pops up with even flashier advertisement.

Arnold is respected for what he has accomplished. That is all there is to it. Anyone acting as if he can make no mistakes and that following his every word is the way to success are people who won’t ever be successful anyway.

So why care that they follow him without doubt?

I knew a guy at my old gym back home that trained using Arnold’s split for 4 years. He STAYED the same skinny little ripped guy who was barely breaking 155lbs that entire time.

Try something else? Hell no. Why were guys who were NOT spending 2-3 hours a night in the gym growing faster than him? Must be creatine or steroids.

Your question is out of place to anyone who isn’t that blind.

[quote]bonzi50 wrote:
the feedback i am getting from this question is yet another frustrating thing about this debate. I mean why do people get so defensive.

I like arnold but i don’t place him or his routine at the pennicle of weight lifting. I also don’t defend him like he is my mother.

although i am not trying to attack him in any way.

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Well, I don’t think manyy do anymore, but he is THE icon of bodybuilding. He brought it to the forefront of popular culture after appearing in Pumping Iron. Not many bodybuilders have the personality to pull off that movie successfully. Also, you are attacking his methodologies in a way, but a question for you might be, who do you consider an expert? What have they done to prove themselves? How have their training methods worked better for you than Arnold’s?

If you haven’t even tried one of “Arnold’s” (in quotes because it seems to be the contention that the workouts listed in his encyclopedia were not penned by him) workouts, then you don’t have much base for attacking his methods.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
bonzi50 wrote:
the feedback i am getting from this question is yet another frustrating thing about this debate. I mean why do people get so defensive.

I like arnold but i don’t place him or his routine at the pennicle of weight lifting. I also don’t defend him like he is my mother.

although i am not trying to attack him in any way.

The only people acting as if his advice is the end all of training…are the same people who log in here and are perplexed because they change their routine every single week based on what article comes out and they aren’t making all that much progress. It is the same type of person. People like that don’t think for themselves. Maybe they can’t…or maybe they just never learned. They won’t listen to several sources in an effort to learn how to create what works best for them…they will simply follow what [insert guru here] says until a newer guru pops up with even flashier advertisement.

Arnold is respected for what he has accomplished. That is all there is to it. Anyone acting as if he can make no mistakes and that following his every word is the way to success are people who won’t ever be successful anyway.

So why care that they follow him without doubt?

I knew a guy at my old gym back home that trained using Arnold’s split for 4 years. He STAYED the same skinny little ripped guy who was barely breaking 155lbs that entire time.

Try something else? Hell no. Why were guys who were NOT spending 2-3 hours a night in the gym growing faster than him? Must be creatine or steroids.

Your question is out of place to anyone who isn’t that blind.
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This is spot on. What else is new, comming from the professor?

The ICON status and the PIONEER status alone is why he gets the respect. This is without mentioning his UNIQUE build & genetics. Let alone some of his great training tips.

I for one, never even attempted to do an Arnold routine. I instead picked up a few tips from his training splits and incorportaed them into my own routines. The most usefull tools he had were more of his mindset and approach to bodybuilding… this in and of itself is pretty superior to any trainer or guru trainer. Not his actual routine or training knowledge of exercises or what not. His actual sculpting and intense training are quite awe inspiring. His actual routines… who gives a shit, that was HIS routine. Use your own goddam routine.

I think some of Arnold’s routines would suck for me, so I use my own. Therefore my routines are better than Arnolds… FOR ME! His were better than mine… FOR HIM!

Learn to extrapolate anything you can from everybody. Arnold is just the center of it all and had some pretty darn good tips for you to use… if you payed attention to how he really built himself up like that. The routines he used were just tools. But you have to know how to use the tools… the mindset, determination, and imagination were what brought it all together and created the most awe inspiring physique the planet has ever seen so far. You would probably not even be in here typing had Arnold not ever been born, now your in here asking why. Does that answer your question? If not, there is no hope for you, you are hopeless, that means less than hoping.

see now thats good feedback.

I see all of your points and have to agree with most of them.

I should give him more respect for being the pioneer of it all and having the charisma to go public.

like prof. X stated those that hop from one “guru” to the next are the ones who just don’t understand what i was getting at.

[quote]: Go Heavy Fool
“You would probably not even be in here typing had Arnold not ever been born, now your in here asking why. Does that answer your question? If not, there is no hope for you, you are hopeless, that means less than hoping.”[/quote]

This is a perfect example of my frustration.

this guy actually thinks that we all owe Arnold credit for our weight lifting

are you kidding?

people lifted weights before Arnold and had he not been born i am sure people would still be lifting weights.

Whoever said it above was spot on, Arnold is bodybuilding. He brought it from the gym into the mainstream. Arnold is living proof that anything is posisble with hard work, dedication, a good attitude and a little bit of luck.

Arnold had the charisma, the charm, the looks and the patience to do what no other bodybuilder ever had. Arnold took out the pro BB world by storm, went into movies becoming the highest paid movie star in history, then became governor of California. He was born in rebuilding Austria post WWII, at that time the concept of someone doing just that was a dream. Arnold showed everyone, that dreams can come true.

Now what did he do with all that success, fortune and fame? Arnold worked with the President, Special Olympics, all kinds of charitable causes around the globe helping the community with that fortune and fame. Arnold also showed that celebrity doesn’t have to mean asshole.

Obsession, no. Giving credit where credit is due, yes. Arnold earned all of our credit. I tried his Chest & Back Superset program when I was a newbie. I puked, tried again, puked again, gave up. Since then I haven’t tried another of his workouts. But my respect and admiration for the man will never fade.

By the way Bonzi… if you look up the word “bodybuilding” in the dictionary, it just says “Arnold Schwarzenegger”… that’s all it says. Nothing else.

Bodybuilding… Arnold Schwarzenegger
Boxing… Muhammad Ali
Baseball… Babe Ruth

Any questions?