[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
Man O’ War wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
By the way Bonzi… if you look up the word “bodybuilding” in the dictionary, it just says “Arnold Schwarzenegger”… that’s all it says. Nothing else.
Bodybuilding… Arnold Schwarzenegger
Boxing… Muhammad Ali
Baseball… Babe Ruth
Any questions?
Yep. Who have you got for Basketball?
Wilt Chamberlain.
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I think I’d better start another thread for this debate.
[quote]HummersDominate wrote:
ha, thats tellin old bonzi
bonzi… how much u bench?[/quote]
Great question!
Cause bench press total is a measure of a man right??? Shit…
Boy oh boy you just might be my arch nemesis cause i hate people who drive hummers and dirt bikes. And it appears you do both.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
bonzi50 wrote:
But what I am saying is that he just doesn’t deserve this almighty exercise guru status. Every program shouldn’t be compared to what he did.
thats all that irritates me.
And i hear it a lot. Now everyone just cool your jets. I’m not trash talking ole Arnold. the “if some is good, more is better.” training philosophy isn’t efficient and most definitely isn’t for everyone. Not that it was his fault, it worked for him but they also just didn’t have a good understanding of what was going on physiologically back in the 60s.
OK I understand. Perhaps you are stretching a bit when you state “Every program shouldn’t be compared to what he did.” I have read numerous articles on here, and not one has quoted or compared the routine to what Arnold did or said.
Now, before I continue, you have to understand that Arnold was/is considered the pioneer of bodybuilding. He is considered the person that brought it to the mainsteam, mainly through is passion and uniqueness in the 1977 film “Pumping Iron.”
That film introduced bodybuilding to mainstream America and peaked interest. Arnold went on to do more, and still does more, but is largely recognized for his bodybuilding. Lets face it, he was a great bodybuilder. He won 7 Mr. Olympia titles, and if memory serves me correctly 6 of them were consecutive and 1 of them was 5 years after he left pro bodybuilding. Not to mention his other body building accomplishments:
I am not sure any bodybuilder has achieved more in bodybuilding, but I could be wrong. Probably am wrong since I do not know for sure, which brings me to the point, I know of Arnold’s bodybuilding achievements because he is so popular. Lets face it, he is a household name.
Now, I cannot speak for everyone that refers to Arnold, but I can tell you why I quote him. My wife does not know Chad Waterbury, John Berardi, or even Joe Weider (chauncey in my book). But boy she knows Arnold Schwazenegger.
I tell her Chad Waterbury says total body workout, and she is like “so.” But boy I tell her I read in Arnold’s encyclopedia of bodybuilding “you must do squats or you will not grow,” and boy my statement is given all kinds of merit, simply because of the source.
I often quote Arnold to get across a lame point, normally to laymen that don’t know much and give merit to the source. in everyday interactions, I can quote Chad Waterbury all day and what I quote is given little merit. Most likely because the audience does not know the source as reliable.
But when I quote Arnold’s encyclopedia of Bodybuilding, the subjects perk up, take heed, and even sometimes report on their experiences trying what I quoted.
Why do people take heed when I quote Arnold? Because they know him. They know him for being huge, achieving Bodybuilding stardom, and obviously being educated in the field. Let’s face it, what Arnold says/said is respected as a valid source.
Today, I know much of what I read in Arnold’s Encyclopedia (the old one, I have not read the new one) is outdated and does not work for all. I am guessing what is written in the new book is no where near the information, techniques, routines I read about here. but that is speculation.
And thats my thoughts on why you perceive him as having “this almighty exercise guru status.” I think we can all agree that much of what Arnold did is outdated and does not work for everyone. I think we can all agree to that. The difference between Arnold being quoted, and Ronnie being quoted is that Arnold is well known, Ronnie Coleman is not well known among most people.
I dont know about your gym, but at the Gold’s I frequent the people are dfinitely not educated, or well versed in bodybuilding, let alone the less popular people that have done great such as Ronnine Coleman you named earlier. I find people in general are not real smart and often go the easiest route.
Now when the audience becomes more educated, you can begin to quote more updated people and it is given equal merit. Why don’t you recommend to your friends they come here and learn a little something?
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perfectly said.
and yes i have opened a few of my friends eyes to T-Nation. but it is a slow process.
thanks for the thorough response.
[quote]bonzi50 wrote:
HummersDominate wrote:
ha, thats tellin old bonzi
bonzi… how much u bench?
Great question!
Cause bench press total is a measure of a man right??? Shit…
Boy oh boy you just might be my arch nemesis cause i hate people who drive hummers and dirt bikes. And it appears you do both.
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I think the point that he is trying to make is that a 130 pound scrote-bag like yourself can rant about how much you hate arnold worshipping, and your just pissing in the wind.
Maybe if you picked up a dumbell or did a squat or something you might understand the whole weightlifting thing.
[quote]bonzi50 wrote:
HummersDominate wrote:
bro listen, all u guys on hear think u now so damn much, well old Arnie might talk funny but he knows hell of a lot more than most these new age gurus
i bet hes way stronger than u still! practice what u preach bonzi… and what the hell like people didnt know how to lift weights in the 60s it aint that complicated, pick up put down
lates
I already said that he worked hard. that is all most people need to do reguardless of what routine they do. shit some say hard work is the great equalizer. thats why it didn’t matter what he did in his routine. He had a work ethic like a mule. thanks for the insult, especially since you don’t know me at all.
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I understand the point you are trying to make. I also understand why you are catching flack for the post.
To explain, you make the comment that working hard is all most people need to do…which is no doubt correct. However, one thing you will find out soon enough, if you haven’t already, is that the people who actually do give 100% are few in number.
Lots of people talk, very few actually do what needs to be done. In all honesty, that is simply the way the world works…the way it has since the beginning of time.
There will always be more followers than leaders. Those people who truly are leaders won’t even have to tell anyone that they are. They will simply gravitate into those positions. Arnold is a leader. People follow him because they recognize him for what he naturally is. There isn’t much difference between him and a Muhammad Ali, a Michael Jordan, a Baby Face, a Stevie Wonder, or any number of people who aren’t quite as famous but who stand out among hundreds.
That is why people respect him and, in all honesty, he has earned it.
Does this mean that watching others constantly be followers isn’t irritating? Of course it is if you notice yourself standing out in a crowd of people. However, how much energy should you expend expecting followers to avoid being what they are?
You would be about as successful at that as forcing an Arnold to simply blend into a crowd. It just isn’t who they are.
One thing I am still trying to effectively apply in my own life is the following:
To be granted the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and to have the wisdom to know the difference.
When it comes to bodybuilding, you wear what you know. Bragging rights come with biceps. I wouldn’t have it any other way.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
bonzi50 wrote:
But what I am saying is that he just doesn’t deserve this almighty exercise guru status. Every program shouldn’t be compared to what he did.
thats all that irritates me.
And i hear it a lot. Now everyone just cool your jets. I’m not trash talking ole Arnold. the “if some is good, more is better.” training philosophy isn’t efficient and most definitely isn’t for everyone. Not that it was his fault, it worked for him but they also just didn’t have a good understanding of what was going on physiologically back in the 60s.
OK I understand. Perhaps you are stretching a bit when you state “Every program shouldn’t be compared to what he did.” I have read numerous articles on here, and not one has quoted or compared the routine to what Arnold did or said.
Now, before I continue, you have to understand that Arnold was/is considered the pioneer of bodybuilding. He is considered the person that brought it to the mainsteam, mainly through is passion and uniqueness in the 1977 film “Pumping Iron.”
That film introduced bodybuilding to mainstream America and peaked interest. Arnold went on to do more, and still does more, but is largely recognized for his bodybuilding. Lets face it, he was a great bodybuilder. He won 7 Mr. Olympia titles, and if memory serves me correctly 6 of them were consecutive and 1 of them was 5 years after he left pro bodybuilding. Not to mention his other body building accomplishments:
I am not sure any bodybuilder has achieved more in bodybuilding, but I could be wrong. Probably am wrong since I do not know for sure, which brings me to the point, I know of Arnold’s bodybuilding achievements because he is so popular. Lets face it, he is a household name.
Now, I cannot speak for everyone that refers to Arnold, but I can tell you why I quote him. My wife does not know Chad Waterbury, John Berardi, or even Joe Weider (chauncey in my book). But boy she knows Arnold Schwazenegger.
I tell her Chad Waterbury says total body workout, and she is like “so.” But boy I tell her I read in Arnold’s encyclopedia of bodybuilding “you must do squats or you will not grow,” and boy my statement is given all kinds of merit, simply because of the source.
I often quote Arnold to get across a lame point, normally to laymen that don’t know much and give merit to the source. in everyday interactions, I can quote Chad Waterbury all day and what I quote is given little merit. Most likely because the audience does not know the source as reliable.
But when I quote Arnold’s encyclopedia of Bodybuilding, the subjects perk up, take heed, and even sometimes report on their experiences trying what I quoted.
Why do people take heed when I quote Arnold? Because they know him. They know him for being huge, achieving Bodybuilding stardom, and obviously being educated in the field. Let’s face it, what Arnold says/said is respected as a valid source.
Today, I know much of what I read in Arnold’s Encyclopedia (the old one, I have not read the new one) is outdated and does not work for all. I am guessing what is written in the new book is no where near the information, techniques, routines I read about here. but that is speculation.
And thats my thoughts on why you perceive him as having “this almighty exercise guru status.” I think we can all agree that much of what Arnold did is outdated and does not work for everyone. I think we can all agree to that. The difference between Arnold being quoted, and Ronnie being quoted is that Arnold is well known, Ronnie Coleman is not well known among most people.
I dont know about your gym, but at the Gold’s I frequent the people are dfinitely not educated, or well versed in bodybuilding, let alone the less popular people that have done great such as Ronnine Coleman you named earlier. I find people in general are not real smart and often go the easiest route.
Now when the audience becomes more educated, you can begin to quote more updated people and it is given equal merit. Why don’t you recommend to your friends they come here and learn a little something?
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Your point is well made here, this is exactly correct! People compare everything to Arnold as that is someone they know and trust as a successful bodybuilder!
BTW Lee Haney did break Arnolds record with 8 Olympia wins! Which only goes to provide another point to you’re post here, just start saying in the gym Lee Haney says this and that…folks look at you cross eyed and ask…Who’e Lee Haney?
Oh and Bonzi50, I got your point that you were never badmouthing Arnold you just didn’t understand why everyone compares bodybuilding to his achievements and advice. I see from your post you see what Petedacook is saying here. It is just because he is very very popular successful and trusted in his accomplishments, is why!
I grew up working out on Arnold’s routines, I agree they are not the end all to training. They worked for Arnold! Be that as it may he is still one very successful bodybuilder and a trusted name in the sport!
I will also say that it is correct he brought it to the mainstream and into everyones homes, and I for one was hooked when I read “Education of a Bodybuilder” 28 years ago. I have to admitt that I would have never jumped into the sport like I did if it were not for his influence!!
Hi, my name is caneman and I’ve been obsessed with Arnold for the last 16 months. My grades have suffered, my parents are worried, and I can’t stop eating and wanting to train because of Arnold. (Tears)…
[quote]bonzi50 wrote:
I know it’s not common around here but I have some friends that idolize him as if he is the ultimate authority on weight lifting. But to me that seems to be the generally excepted opinion.
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Yeah man it’s the meathead mentality, pretty simple. As you said, there are guys at every gym like this. They don’t read online articles about bodybuilding. All of their info comes from the Muscle Rags and between-bench-sets-banter with fellow gym rats.
Arnold is idolized over other BB’ers because he’s an action movie star, one of the most famous in the world. Again, pretty simple. Guys who do bench and bi’s on Friday night don’t know who the hell Frank Zane or Ronnie Coleman is.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
bonzi50 wrote:
I know it’s not common around here but I have some friends that idolize him as if he is the ultimate authority on weight lifting. But to me that seems to be the generally excepted opinion.
Yeah man it’s the meathead mentality, pretty simple. As you said, there are guys at every gym like this. They don’t read online articles about bodybuilding. All of their info comes from the Muscle Rags and between-bench-sets-banter with fellow gym rats.[/quote]
You act like this is a bad thing. How do you think most of us learned what worked for us? I have learned more from talking to those guys in the gym who have actually gained some real size than I ever could from most articles written here. There is a HUGE difference between experience and theory. You just degraded what has worked for the vast majority of guys who are bigger than you are.
It is funny how guys like you talk the most but have the least to show for it.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
bonzi50 wrote:
: Go Heavy Fool
“You would probably not even be in here typing had Arnold not ever been born, now your in here asking why. Does that answer your question? If not, there is no hope for you, you are hopeless, that means less than hoping.”
This is a perfect example of my frustration.
this guy actually thinks that we all owe Arnold credit for our weight lifting
are you kidding?
people lifted weights before Arnold and had he not been born i am sure people would still be lifting weights.
You now leave me with no choice. Bonzi… you are a natural born loser who won’t give credit where credit is due. Like I said before… “you wouldn’t even be in here typing”, there wouldn’t be a T-Nation, and the world would be far less interested in bodybuilding had Arnold never been born.
I think I got it right the first time… you are hopeless.
The strong admire greatness than try to beat it. The weak discredit greatness because they are too much of a coward to try to beat it.
Until you master a physique better than Arnolds… give the man his credit and suck on it, you sack of ungreatful monkeyshit.
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He is giving arnold credit. You’re just blinded by your zealous rage.
I’ve noticed that go heavy fool has become quite the e-thug lately. Another internet tough guy who talks shit to people he will never meet.
So, I encountered another scenario this evening that pretty much convinced me to just say: “Arnold says…XXX” instead of saying anyone else.
This evening in the gym my wife asks me if we are doing abs again. I introduced an additional day of abs to her this week, and she thought we would do them again. I told her no. She asked why and I went on to explain.
I was interested to see what her response would be if I quoted another accomplished bodybuilder. So I told her that many body builders say one of the most common mistakes is training abs everyday. I said Lee haney says one of the most common mistake made is training abs everyday.
She looks at me, frowns and says, well Britney Spears does 500 crunches everyday and she is well known for that. Inside I was outraged. My wife has seen pictures of Gina Alliotti, and other T-girls abs I have shown her on this site.
I sucked it up and said yea, but look at Britney’s abs. She said yea, now, but they used to look nice. I personally think Britney’s abs looked about like a young girls abs should look, I dont ever recall being impressed with muscle seperation on Britney Spears.
So, I told my wife I would show her “real” abs when we got home. Then I reminded her, you have seen those abs on T-Nation, you know they blow Britney’s away. She shrugged and said, yea, but Britney says to do 500 crunches a day.
At this point the conversation/argument was out of control and I was getting pissed off. I ask her if she even knows who Lee Haney is. She says no. I tell her he is a 8 time Mr. Olympia winner. I go on to say you take the advice of Britney spears for training Abs over an 8 time Mr. Olympia winner.
I am truncating the conversation, but come on man, how can you argue Britney Spear’s, little Ms. Whote trash wannabe pop star, ab workout recommendation to that of Lee Haney? JESUS!
I will say I elaborated and explained that resistance training must progress and 500 crunches no more no less fails that test, and that we dnt work any muscle everday and know it is not reasonable.
Next time, I am just going to save the trouble and say Arnold says it. I think I could have avoided the entire ugly scenario if I had just said Arnold says abs not everyday.
Man, I am still in disbelief…Britney Spears.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
So, I encountered another scenario this evening that pretty much convinced me to just say: “Arnold says…XXX” instead of saying anyone else.
This evening in the gym my wife asks me if we are doing abs again. I introduced an additional day of abs to her this week, and she thought we would do them again. I told her no. She asked why and I went on to explain.
I was interested to see what her response would be if I quoted another accomplished bodybuilder. So I told her that many body builders say one of the most common mistakes is training abs everyday. I said Lee haney says one of the most common mistake made is training abs everyday.
She looks at me, frowns and says, well Britney Spears does 500 crunches everyday and she is well known for that. Inside I was outraged. My wife has seen pictures of Gina Alliotti, and other T-girls abs I have shown her on this site.
I sucked it up and said yea, but look at Britney’s abs. She said yea, now, but they used to look nice. I personally think Britney’s abs looked about like a young girls abs should look, I dont ever recall being impressed with muscle seperation on Britney Spears.
So, I told my wife I would show her “real” abs when we got home. Then I reminded her, you have seen those abs on T-Nation, you know they blow Britney’s away. She shrugged and said, yea, but Britney says to do 500 crunches a day.
At this point the conversation/argument was out of control and I was getting pissed off. I ask her if she even knows who Lee Haney is. She says no. I tell her he is a 8 time Mr. Olympia winner. I go on to say you take the advice of Britney spears for training Abs over an 8 time Mr. Olympia winner.
I am truncating the conversation, but come on man, how can you argue Britney Spear’s, little Ms. Whote trash wannabe pop star, ab workout recommendation to that of Lee Haney? JESUS!
I will say I elaborated and explained that resistance training must progress and 500 crunches no more no less fails that test, and that we dnt work any muscle everday and know it is not reasonable.
Next time, I am just going to save the trouble and say Arnold says it. I think I could have avoided the entire ugly scenario if I had just said Arnold says abs not everyday.
Man, I am still in disbelief…Britney Spears. [/quote]
If I am ever in the gym…and Brittany Spears becomes a topic of intense debate, I will know I have lost my nuts on the interstate somewhere long before that conversation began.
This right here is why I don’t understand the guys I see half assing through a workout because they have their half-interested girlfriend/wife along for the ride.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
We always do abs last and were walking to the locker room to change. However, In addition to my wife, my son was sitting on the couch watching a portable DVD player since the play area closed. I have a family and a wife and unfortunately I cannot focus on “me,” well, just about anytime. I do the best I can.
Do you not have a family, wife, girlfriend? Seems like a lonely man’s response to me.
I appreciate that you have the right to leave your opinion, but personally I did not enjoy reading it. I think I won’t next time.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
So, I encountered another scenario this evening that pretty much convinced me to just say: “Arnold says…XXX” instead of saying anyone else.
This evening in the gym my wife asks me if we are doing abs again. I introduced an additional day of abs to her this week, and she thought we would do them again. I told her no. She asked why and I went on to explain.
I was interested to see what her response would be if I quoted another accomplished bodybuilder. So I told her that many body builders say one of the most common mistakes is training abs everyday. I said Lee haney says one of the most common mistake made is training abs everyday.
She looks at me, frowns and says, well Britney Spears does 500 crunches everyday and she is well known for that. Inside I was outraged. My wife has seen pictures of Gina Alliotti, and other T-girls abs I have shown her on this site.
I sucked it up and said yea, but look at Britney’s abs. She said yea, now, but they used to look nice. I personally think Britney’s abs looked about like a young girls abs should look, I dont ever recall being impressed with muscle seperation on Britney Spears.
So, I told my wife I would show her “real” abs when we got home. Then I reminded her, you have seen those abs on T-Nation, you know they blow Britney’s away. She shrugged and said, yea, but Britney says to do 500 crunches a day.
At this point the conversation/argument was out of control and I was getting pissed off. I ask her if she even knows who Lee Haney is. She says no. I tell her he is a 8 time Mr. Olympia winner. I go on to say you take the advice of Britney spears for training Abs over an 8 time Mr. Olympia winner.
I am truncating the conversation, but come on man, how can you argue Britney Spear’s, little Ms. Whote trash wannabe pop star, ab workout recommendation to that of Lee Haney? JESUS!
I will say I elaborated and explained that resistance training must progress and 500 crunches no more no less fails that test, and that we dnt work any muscle everday and know it is not reasonable.
Next time, I am just going to save the trouble and say Arnold says it. I think I could have avoided the entire ugly scenario if I had just said Arnold says abs not everyday.
Man, I am still in disbelief…Britney Spears. [/quote]
I feel your pain bro’!!!
I hear this sort of thing all the time! After a while you just learn to ignore it! I herd in the gym a few weeks ago, turns to another and says “well that is what Brad Pitt does for a chest workout” thought to myself “now there’s a guy to be giving workout advice”.
Just look at them and say “that’s nice!”
Joke: Bunch of wealthy women are sitting around bragging about all the high dollar items their rich husbands had bought them, one says “my husband bought me a new Mercedes” upon which one of the women replies “that’s nice”, the other woman says “well my husband took me on a one month vacation to the french riviera” same woman replies “that’s nice” another exclaims “well my husband just bought me a Rolls Royce” same woman again replies “that’s nice” finally all the women look at this one woman that keeps responding “that’s nice” and asks her what her husband has done for her. She replies “my husband sent me to finnishing school” curious someone asks “really what did you learn there?”. She looks at her and says “I learned to say “that’s nice” rather than “I don’t give a shit!””
I can see it on the cover of “Womens Day” (do they even publish that magazine anymore?), “Britney’s specialized ab workout” well either there or M&F!!!
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
We always do abs last and were walking to the locker room to change. However, In addition to my wife, my son was sitting on the couch watching a portable DVD player since the play area closed. I have a family and a wife and unfortunately I cannot focus on “me,” well, just about anytime. I do the best I can.
Do you not have a family, wife, girlfriend? Seems like a lonely man’s response to me.
I appreciate that you have the right to leave your opinion, but personally I did not enjoy reading it. I think I won’t next time.
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I have a woman I just started going out with. I have no kids. I also know when I need to focus and that you sound like someone who has never had to spend years with education as a major priority at the expense of nearly everything else. I have. Life is about priorities. I have seen you claim that you plan to make major changes in your life with regards to your physique goals (which implies a CHANGE in priorities). Time will tell whether you are that focused and determined to change or whether you will claim that your attention was focused elsewhere.
My response was one of someone who sees what he wants and works his hardest to get it. While no man is perfect and I am not claiming to be close to that, I know when I need to focus and personal time is needed by every human on the planet. If you have none at all, maybe you should avoid bragging about it. Hopefully, you didn’t enjoy reading that either.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
My response was one of someone who sees what he wants and works his hardest to get it. [/quote]
You seem to enjoying jumping to conclusions and berating people based on your false assumptions. Does that make you feel superior Mr. King of T-Nation forums? I have not seen you give praise once, but you are quick to hand out a cup of shut the fuck up. And rather frequent I might add (life?).
Another blind assumption. Why dont you ask, and give advice instead of assuming and berating?
I was raised by a single mother of 2 on welfare most of the time. I obtained an AAS in Administration of justice at NOVA, and a BS in Administration of Justice from George Mason. During the 8 years that took, I worked 2 jobs mostly.
I was a loader at UPS, and a cook at Chi-Chis (mexican restaturant), as well as other restaurants. 4:00Am-8:00AM Mon-Fri. at UPS (12:00-8:00 during Christmas), and 32 hour weekends at Chichi’s with the remaining 8 hours being filled in somewhere Mon.-Fri. If you think working 2 jobs, 1 full time and 1 part time, and taking a full time credit load at college with NO, parental monetary support is not a sacrifice of everything else, then youre as blind as your assumptions.
I was the first person from both sides of my family to graduate college. And I did it 2 times. What about you Mr. doctor? Do you come from prestige lineage?
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I have seen you claim that you plan to make major changes in your life with regards to your physique goals (which implies a CHANGE in priorities). Time will tell whether you are that focused and determined to change or whether you will claim that your attention was focused elsewhere. [/quote]
First, I do not consider what I have laid out as goals; I consider it me sharing with others what is going to happen. Some people seem to enjoy me sharing this. But I am sure that when I make my goals, you will either say nothing, or you will be quick to point out what I had done wrong, or could have done better, or most likely make a false assumption with the intent of berating me or another person. Bravo Professor.
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My response was one of someone who sees what he wants and works his hardest to get it. While no man is perfect and I am not claiming to be close to that, I know when I need to focus and personal time is needed by every human on the planet. If you have none at all, maybe you should avoid bragging about it. Hopefully, you didn’t enjoy reading that either [/quote]
No. Your response was one of an assumption jumping jackass that gets off on beating people up. I already proved you wrong on how we were able to focus at the gym and have that conversation: we were leaving and walking out the door.
I think I proved you wrong about your assumption I never gave up everything for an education.
You may want to refocus what you want, because given the frequency and volume of your posts it seems that what you want is to be omniscient T-Nation forum god berating people based on false assumptions, while your little fan club cheers behind you. I am not a fan and I am not impressed. Nobody else seems to stand up to you, but I will be damned if I am not going to.
Making muscle is not hard and having muscle does not impress me, it doesn?t mean you’re brilliant and sure as heel doesn’t mean you’re a good person. Good, honest, intelligent people impress me and you have displayed only 1 of those qualities.
ProfessorX,
I think the reason I take offense to your original post is 1. You assume there is no way I can focus at the gym if my wife is there, and therefore I assumed you see me like the people that piss me off at my gym. You don?t know me, and that’s not me. 2. Because of the importance I express to my wife about focus, and training hard in the gym, as well as out of the gym. Your assumption and belittling just slapped me and spit on me.
A better response would have been to ask how I was able to focus, and based on my resposne recommend that I focus more if I truly wish to obtain my goals. That is the response of someone that is not all fucked up on some T-Nation forum god mindset.
But instead you chose the moral high ground, threw out assumptions and belittled me. Truly a jackass move like all your other posts I have read. You dont want to help, you want to analyze what people have written find the weakness, and attack.
Just like this thread. You were not able to explain to the opener what he was looking for. On the other hand I was with only 2 posts. I posted to re-iterate the reason the poster was looking for, you posted to berate me and my post.
Things like this
are truely fucked up.
While I have not read anywhere that you claim to be perfect, any sensible reader can interpret from your writing that you sure as hell think you are. And if you dont think you are, then you berate others so you can reinforce why you should think you are.
Here is a bit of advice for you from a fat, unfocused, uneducated, non goal reaching forum dweller (did I get it all Mr. perfect?):
If life is about priorities, maybe you should re-think yours; you are a single man sitting at home on an internet forum, berating others based on your egotistical false assumptions, on a Friday night; go out, be nice, friendly, and meet people.
One more goal, say 5 nice things about another person tomorrow and stop yourself 5 times from making assumptions with the goal of berating someone or their post.
I am done with you until you display genuine qualities.
How long did it take you to write all of this?
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Professor X wrote:
My response was one of someone who sees what he wants and works his hardest to get it.
You seem to enjoying jumping to conclusions and berating people based on your false assumptions. Does that make you feel superior Mr. King of T-Nation forums? I have not seen you give praise once, but you are quick to hand out a cup of shut the fuck up. And rather frequent I might add (life?). [/quote]
I have never written praise to anyone? Why lie? You can look at the picture thread at anyone who has actually shown some real progress and see that is not the case.
I gave no praise here?:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1287050
I gave no praise here:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1273405
And that is just the recent ones. I am wondering if I should even waste time reading more of the crap you just came up with considering the false ridiculous way you just started this novel of yours.
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I was raised by a single mother of 2 on welfare most of the time. I obtained an AAS in Administration of justice at NOVA, and a BS in Administration of Justice from George Mason. During the 8 years that took, I worked 2 jobs mostly.[/quote]
Good for you. My grandmother worked three jobs at a time until I was in high school. Want to compare war wounds? Like no one else has had it hard?
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I was the first person from both sides of my family to graduate college. And I did it 2 times. What about you Mr. doctor? Do you come from prestige lineage? [/quote]
I am the first doctor in my family. My parents were the first in their families to go to college at all. That is where I end this post. I don’t have the time to waste on you.
Lets see, the first link you quoted you wrote this: “In terms of pro bodybuilders, you aren’t “big”.”
and
“You asked if you are any good. You have a good deal of size on you. You don’t look like you have 20” arms to me, but I don’t even feel like getting into that debate."
You call that praise and generosity? What you did is called a back handed compliment.
Things like this are truly fucked up “Hopefully, you didn’t enjoy reading that either.”
Your a sick person.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Lets see, the first link you quoted you wrote this: “In terms of pro bodybuilders, you aren’t “big”.”
and
“You asked if you are any good. You have a good deal of size on you. You don’t look like you have 20” arms to me, but I don’t even feel like getting into that debate."
You call that praise and generosity? What you did is called a back handed compliment.
Things like this are truly fucked up “Hopefully, you didn’t enjoy reading that either.”
Your a sick person. [/quote]
If anyone is sick, it is you. I have been lifting without any breaks longer than a week for several years. I know what 20" arms look like and I let him know where I stand on that issue. Not only that, but how did I end that post?
Oh, I get it, I have to write my posts in a way that make you feel comfortable. You just wrote a whiney novel that is too long to even take seriously. All of this after you have only been on this board for a couple of days.
You just lied about me never giving any praise because I give it to anyone who I see that has made any real progress. Don’t get pissed because you got caught in the lie. Trying to twist my words now won’t exactly help you out much.
You started this thread about a topic. I disagreed with you being able to focus, especially since, unless your wife is close to your strength level or extremely motivated (like some of the women on this site), I have doubts as to you working your hardest with someone significantly weaker as a training partner.
You can’t handle that someone took that stance with what you wrote which is the only reason you keep trying to pick my words apart.
Quit crying.
Just to hype some more people I regularly give praise to:
Gottatrain who has been lifting longer than most of us:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1194057&pageNo=0
But I NEVER give praise.
Rotlex who has made more of a physique change on this site than anyone I’ve seen in several years:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1250565
But I NEVER give praise.
We can’t forget some more from A-train:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1253811
But I NEVER give praise.
And that is just all that pop into mind first.
Please. If I am impressed with someone, I am usually the first on a thread to give praise. Quit LYING.
I am not going to throw praise at every scrawny kid asking about his ab muscles.