Arm Measurements

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[quote]chutec wrote:

The goal should not be to find “a good resource for information”. The goal should be “well rounded understanding of the target subject matter from AS MANY RESOURCES AS POSSIBLE using common sense to determine which are even worth looking at in the first place”.

Amen to that. Its hard to argue with that as its what I strive to you, but sometimes you just don’t know where to start, and in my personal opinion this site can either start you off very well or very badly, depending entirely on what you click on first!

Ideally yes, everyone would take biology and know how basic functions work.

realistically, the T-editors could push the basic information to the fore on the largest hit sections of the site, to stop this regurgitation [/quote]

I do agree with that. Also, we have been saying for years that your best bet to gain a solid foundation is to actually train with someone who is extremely motivated, more experienced and more developed than you are. I don’t mean “he weighs 5lbs more than me and started training one week before so he qualifies”.

Most beginners would be better off actually going to a gym first and getting into the habit of going without fail for several weeks before they worried about what author on this site they like the most. But that takes hard work on their part so most will obviously avoid it and remain confused.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
You’re puny and pathetic. So, what? What are you going to do about it? Everyone has to start somewhere. What’s your plan of attack?[/quote]

Agreed. Go lift, eat, sleep. Repeat.

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Kinda hard to do that these days…the biggest dudes are getting kicked out for grunting (an unfortunate side effect of lifting heavy)

Anyway, beginners either latch on to the first guy who makes sweeping statements to widen his reach/clientele (the 150 pound asian kid beginning an extreme fat-loss diet with no training experience was good for a laugh) or spend the rest of their lives severely under-trained but OVER-informed. since an individual tends to gravitate to the nearest extreme…I;m not sure which is worse.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
chutec wrote:

The goal should not be to find “a good resource for information”. The goal should be “well rounded understanding of the target subject matter from AS MANY RESOURCES AS POSSIBLE using common sense to determine which are even worth looking at in the first place”.

Amen to that. Its hard to argue with that as its what I strive to you, but sometimes you just don’t know where to start, and in my personal opinion this site can either start you off very well or very badly, depending entirely on what you click on first!

Ideally yes, everyone would take biology and know how basic functions work.

realistically, the T-editors could push the basic information to the fore on the largest hit sections of the site, to stop this regurgitation

I do agree with that. Also, we have been saying for years that your best bet to gain a solid foundation is to actually train with someone who is extremely motivated, more experienced and more developed than you are. I don’t mean “he weighs 5lbs more than me and started training one week before so he qualifies”.

Most beginners would be better off actually going to a gym first and getting into the habit of going without fail for several weeks before they worried about what author on this site they like the most. But that takes hard work on their part so most will obviously avoid it and remain confused.[/quote]

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[quote]seabass34 wrote:
Professor X, I understand what you are saying, but the point of a forum is that it can be a good resource for information. I assume that even you come to this forum to share your knowledge and learn from others. If not then you are here just to badger those you feel are of lesser intelligence. I would hope that is not the case. You have a point, you can get good information from a variety of sources, but you can also get a lot of bad information from a variety of sources.

Forums are a good place to double check your findings with people that have been around the block and, as you put it, have the real world experience. I know it can be frustrating to answer questions that seem simple, but remember you can chose the forums you read.

As for Markdp,

I don’t remember who mantioned it earlier, but if you are unhappy with your arm size, what are you going to do about it?

Poliquin just had a pretty good tip in his recent tips article,

Increase your leg size and your arms will grow. The body is about ballance. [/quote]

I’ll tell you what I’m going to do. Right now I have a four day split: legs, chest, back, and shoulders. I’m going to throw an arm day in the beginning of that series.

As far as my legs go I can pretty much look at them and they get bigger. I have actually grown out of all of my pants since last year and had to go shopping.I wish it was that way for my arms but who doesn’t.

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[quote]CJE3200 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
You’re puny and pathetic. So, what? What are you going to do about it? Everyone has to start somewhere. What’s your plan of attack?

Agreed. Go lift, eat, sleep. Repeat.[/quote]

I’ve been on this site since 2006 so I think I have seen that advice before lol. Truth be told, I’ve gone from about 162 to 192 in a little over a year so I know what to do. I was just commenting on the fact that I didn’t think my arms were so underdeveloped as compared to the rest of my body.

But anyways, I am going to add in a direct arm day. When I first started reading on this site I thought compound exercises were the end all. After talking to a lot of people and reading around I’ve found that you definitely need to throw some isolation exercises in there.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
seabass34 wrote:
Professor X, I understand what you are saying, but the point of a forum is that it can be a good resource for information.

The goal should not be to find “a good resource for information”. The goal should be “well rounded understanding of the target subject matter from AS MANY RESOURCES AS POSSIBLE using common sense to determine which are even worth looking at in the first place”.

This does not mean every single magazine ever published is worth looking at. It does not mean every single trainer needs to be asked for info. It does not mean every book written needs to be read. It means stop being little sheep and realize that while this is a source for info, you will be at a disadvantage if it is your ONE source for information.

Logging onto the internet with absolutely no foundation at all for knowledge is setting yourself up for confusion and failure. Like always, the effort is up to you and simply pressing “log in” doesn’t count towards it.

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In an ideal world everyone would have a decent foundation of knowledge before logging on and posting on this site. That’s not the case and it never will be.

And common sense isn’t as “common” as you make it sound. I have many friends and family members that are so clueless about diet and nutrition that it makes me laugh. Even my mom, who is a “weight watchers” leader has “diet” food around the house that makes me cringe.

The fact of the matter is there is a whole lot of bullshit out there and it takes a SIGNIFICANT amount of research to even get headed in the right direction. I don’t think you should get all of your information from any one source but I must admit T-Nation does a pretty damn good job at outlining the fundamentals of nutrition and training.

Obviously, not every thread is going to be beneficial, but many are. You would think it would be “common sense” that a weight watchers cupcake or brownie is in no way equal to an apple or orange, but hey, they’re the same points value! So they must be! I guess my point is my mom has read a couple of different books on diet like atkins, south beach, zone diet, ect. and she is still pretty clueless. That is the norm.

You would think that common sense would dictate someone not even bothering with something called the “cookie diet” but that just isn’t the case. Jeez, all this mental masturbation is making me hungry.