i have 19 inch arms flexed and 17 un flexed im seeing a 2 inch diff between them for almost everyone, im also 6’2" but i weight 265 and have 12% body fat
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
I am looking back on a thread on the arm size of people on the site and there is some confusion there as well.[/quote]
There is so much confusion because some of the authors here began persuading readers to avoid other sources of info on bodybuilding…including any and all bodybuilding mags. The fact that at least one of them seems to be greatly opposed to bodybuilding but still seems to have a large following means that even more will be confused.
This is the same reason so few even understand the basics of what is needed to see gains in muscle mass. Like has been said many times, look to the big guys for info. There is nothing wrong with theory or scientific analysis, but when it trumps real world results in terms of importance, we have a huge problem on our hands.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Old Dax wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Arm measurements are done FLEXED. Honestly, do some of you just avoid bodybuilding magazines all together?
If so, why?
The way modern muscle mags are that’s pobably a GOOD thing!
I disagree. I think Muscular Development is one of the best out there right now. Either way, it doesn’t change the fact that things that used to be considered common knowledge are now completely unknown while some seem to sit back and claim no one should be reading any media that actually focuses on bodybuilding.
Please explain that to me and why you think it is a good thing.[/quote]
MD is a fuckin’ great mag. The only one I read. If you keep newbs from other info, then that means more money.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Arm measurements are done FLEXED. Honestly, do some of you just avoid bodybuilding magazines all together?
If so, why?
Some of you are missing shit that most would get on one flip through a random bodybuilding magazine or at least some interest whatsoever in bodybuilding itself. Why would someone take a measurement of their arm unflexed?[/quote]
Not avoiding, going online is just easier. Also, I know there are many members like yourself with a plethora of knowledge and time that would be willing to answer a question like this. I did a google search before I posted and went to several sites; many of them said unflexed and a few said flexed. But at least you answered the question, even though the answer was riddled with condescension.
[quote]markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Arm measurements are done FLEXED. Honestly, do some of you just avoid bodybuilding magazines all together?
If so, why?
Some of you are missing shit that most would get on one flip through a random bodybuilding magazine or at least some interest whatsoever in bodybuilding itself. Why would someone take a measurement of their arm unflexed?
Not avoiding, going online is just easier. Also, I know there are many members like yourself with a plethora of knowledge and time that would be willing to answer a question like this. I did a google search before I posted and went to several sites; many of them said unflexed and a few said flexed. But at least you answered the question, even though the answer was riddled with condescension.[/quote]
And it will continue to be filled with condescension because you are even pointing out your own laziness. Instead of even trying to find this info for yourselves, or has already been pointed out to you, actually BUYING a freaking magazine or reading a real book that actually has something to do with building your body and not simply “exercising”, your course of action was to simply jump on line. As a result, you became even more confused until you relied on someone who HAD put the time in and researched this info.
In other words, you are all too comfortable with me or anyone else doing your work for you.
If anything on this planet deserved some condescension, it is that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
… You all thought Ronnie Coleman had 23" arms with his arms by his sides?[/quote]
I thought we was born that way.
Wait, do you mean he flexes on stage?
he has legit 23 inch arms flexed
[quote]Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Arm measurements are done FLEXED. Honestly, do some of you just avoid bodybuilding magazines all together?
If so, why?
Some of you are missing shit that most would get on one flip through a random bodybuilding magazine or at least some interest whatsoever in bodybuilding itself. Why would someone take a measurement of their arm unflexed?
Not avoiding, going online is just easier. Also, I know there are many members like yourself with a plethora of knowledge and time that would be willing to answer a question like this. I did a google search before I posted and went to several sites; many of them said unflexed and a few said flexed. But at least you answered the question, even though the answer was riddled with condescension.
And it will continue to be filled with condescension because you are even pointing out your own laziness. Instead of even trying to find this info for yourselves, or has already been pointed out to you, actually BUYING a freaking magazine or reading a real book that actually has something to do with building your body and not simply “exercising”, your course of action was to simply jump on line. As a result, you became even more confused until you relied on someone who HAD put the time in and researched this info.
In other words, you are all too comfortable with me or anyone else doing your work for you.
If anything on this planet deserved some condescension, it is that.[/quote]
The irony of this is that if I, and people like me, weren’t lazy, then people like you would have nothing to do. lol.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Arm measurements are done FLEXED. Honestly, do some of you just avoid bodybuilding magazines all together?
If so, why?
Some of you are missing shit that most would get on one flip through a random bodybuilding magazine or at least some interest whatsoever in bodybuilding itself. Why would someone take a measurement of their arm unflexed?
Not avoiding, going online is just easier. Also, I know there are many members like yourself with a plethora of knowledge and time that would be willing to answer a question like this. I did a google search before I posted and went to several sites; many of them said unflexed and a few said flexed. But at least you answered the question, even though the answer was riddled with condescension.
And it will continue to be filled with condescension because you are even pointing out your own laziness. Instead of even trying to find this info for yourselves, or has already been pointed out to you, actually BUYING a freaking magazine or reading a real book that actually has something to do with building your body and not simply “exercising”, your course of action was to simply jump on line. As a result, you became even more confused until you relied on someone who HAD put the time in and researched this info.
In other words, you are all too comfortable with me or anyone else doing your work for you.
If anything on this planet deserved some condescension, it is that.[/quote]
I’m sorry, I had to respond to this post again because after reading it for the third time I still can’t believe what you are saying. This is an ONLINE FORUM. What do you think the point of it is? Of course we could all just go read a book. I choose not to and really don’t care if you think it’s lazy.
I can understand that many beginner questions can be answered with the stickies or doing a search but like I said I tried a search found several different recommendations. Also, looking back in my post there were a few other people that weren’t totally clear on this, now they are. THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!
[quote]markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Arm measurements are done FLEXED. Honestly, do some of you just avoid bodybuilding magazines all together?
If so, why?
Some of you are missing shit that most would get on one flip through a random bodybuilding magazine or at least some interest whatsoever in bodybuilding itself. Why would someone take a measurement of their arm unflexed?
Not avoiding, going online is just easier. Also, I know there are many members like yourself with a plethora of knowledge and time that would be willing to answer a question like this. I did a google search before I posted and went to several sites; many of them said unflexed and a few said flexed. But at least you answered the question, even though the answer was riddled with condescension.
And it will continue to be filled with condescension because you are even pointing out your own laziness. Instead of even trying to find this info for yourselves, or has already been pointed out to you, actually BUYING a freaking magazine or reading a real book that actually has something to do with building your body and not simply “exercising”, your course of action was to simply jump on line. As a result, you became even more confused until you relied on someone who HAD put the time in and researched this info.
In other words, you are all too comfortable with me or anyone else doing your work for you.
If anything on this planet deserved some condescension, it is that.
The irony of this is that if I, and people like me, weren’t lazy, then people like you would have nothing to do. lol.[/quote]
That isn’t irony. Use the fucking word correctly.
[quote]toki123 wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Arm measurements are done FLEXED. Honestly, do some of you just avoid bodybuilding magazines all together?
If so, why?
Some of you are missing shit that most would get on one flip through a random bodybuilding magazine or at least some interest whatsoever in bodybuilding itself. Why would someone take a measurement of their arm unflexed?
Not avoiding, going online is just easier. Also, I know there are many members like yourself with a plethora of knowledge and time that would be willing to answer a question like this. I did a google search before I posted and went to several sites; many of them said unflexed and a few said flexed. But at least you answered the question, even though the answer was riddled with condescension.
And it will continue to be filled with condescension because you are even pointing out your own laziness. Instead of even trying to find this info for yourselves, or has already been pointed out to you, actually BUYING a freaking magazine or reading a real book that actually has something to do with building your body and not simply “exercising”, your course of action was to simply jump on line. As a result, you became even more confused until you relied on someone who HAD put the time in and researched this info.
In other words, you are all too comfortable with me or anyone else doing your work for you.
If anything on this planet deserved some condescension, it is that.
The irony of this is that if I, and people like me, weren’t lazy, then people like you would have nothing to do. lol.
That isn’t irony. Use the fucking word correctly. [/quote]
Damn dude, chill on the roid rage.
[quote]markdp wrote:
I’m sorry, I had to respond to this post again because after reading it for the third time I still can’t believe what you are saying. This is an ONLINE FORUM. What do you think the point of it is? Of course we could all just go read a book. I choose not to and really don’t care if you think it’s lazy.
I can understand that many beginner questions can be answered with the stickies or doing a search but like I said I tried a search found several different recommendations. Also, looking back in my post there were a few other people that weren’t totally clear on this, now they are. THANKS FOR YOUR HELP![/quote]
You and all of those people should have the goal of becoming knowledgeable for yourselves instead of needing to rely on everyone else for everything you think you know. There are people on this board who don’t even know why their veins look blue. That is how fucking retarded many of these people have become…and this is from the “internet generation”.
You all have an entire world of knowledge at your finger tips but won’t do any initial basic learning on your own (whether it be college courses or your own learning from textbooks in order to actually have a solid base of known fact to build from) to be able to tell what is bullshit and what isn’t.
Sure, they will log on and ask for the 50 billionth time whether body fat testers work, but the truth is, they never really go out and learn a damn thing. They remain the same clueless followers they were when they logged on in the first place, always relying on someone else for info and to tell them what they need to know.
People like that don’t become leaders. If you are perfectly fine being that way, cool. Just stay out of the way of those who actually plan on being the ones others ask for direction.
[quote]markdp wrote:
The irony of this is that if I, and people like me, weren’t lazy, then people like you would have nothing to do. lol.[/quote]
Wow, good work on making people regret helping you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
I’m sorry, I had to respond to this post again because after reading it for the third time I still can’t believe what you are saying. This is an ONLINE FORUM. What do you think the point of it is? Of course we could all just go read a book. I choose not to and really don’t care if you think it’s lazy.
I can understand that many beginner questions can be answered with the stickies or doing a search but like I said I tried a search found several different recommendations. Also, looking back in my post there were a few other people that weren’t totally clear on this, now they are. THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!
You and all of those people should have the goal of becoming knowledgeable for yourselves instead of needing to rely on everyone else for everything you think you know. There are people on this board who don’t even know why their veins look blue. That is how fucking retarded many of these people have become…and this is from the “internet generation”.
You all have an entire world of knowledge at your finger tips but won’t do any initial basic learning on your own (whether it be college courses or your own learning from textbooks in order to actually have a solid base of known fact to build from) to be able to tell what is bullshit and what isn’t.
Sure, they will log on and ask for the 50 billionth time whether body fat testers work, but the truth is, they never really go out and learn a damn thing. They remain the same clueless followers they were when they logged on in the first place, always relying on someone else for info and to tell them what they need to know.
People like that don’t become leaders. If you are perfectly fine being that way, cool. Just stay out of the way of those who actually plan on being the ones others ask for direction.[/quote]
I definitely see what you are saying and I agree that it is important to have a basic foundation of knowledge. I’ve taken anatomy, physiology, chemistry, microbiology, and very much enjoy browsing articles on the internet . I even find it entertaining to read scholarly articles dealing with hypertrophy and the optimal way to achieve it.
While books and scientific experiments are great have their place, I think it is crucial to learn from those who have achieved the physique I am after.
We’ve kinda gotten off of the subject here and I guess my point is I wasn’t finding a site that said arms measurements are only supposed to be done a certain way.
[quote]will to power wrote:
markdp wrote:
The irony of this is that if I, and people like me, weren’t lazy, then people like you would have nothing to do. lol.
Wow, good work on making people regret helping you.[/quote]
I appreciate the help minus the condescension. When I give help I try to not give unsolicited lectures.
Im sorry profX:
Ive heard you repeatedly explaining that the best way to learn about gaining muscle (and related issues)is to learn from people who are where you want to be.
Ive also heard you state that information is only as good as its application. (i.e its all very well listening to knowledgeable types - but better to listen to knowledgeable AND experienced types)
I always research information in articles and journals before posting questions, but at a certain stage reading some stale stuff written by an all but unknown source doesnt provide!
Its very good to have a base knowledge of physiology, but you learn how to apply this knowledge from these sorts of forums…
Most importantly, raising a question , albeit lazy or not, will provoke discussion, and lead people to provide you with a variety of sources to read - rather than you arriving at ill informed conclusions based on a lack of scope in your reading.
One thing I do agree on is that a simple use of the T forum search function could avoid the same questions coming up again and again.
[quote]chutec wrote:
Im sorry profX:
Ive heard you repeatedly explaining that the best way to learn about gaining muscle (and related issues)is to learn from people who are where you want to be.
Ive also heard you state that information is only as good as its application. (i.e its all very well listening to knowledgeable types - but better to listen to knowledgeable AND experienced types)
I always research information in articles and journals before posting questions, but at a certain stage reading some stale stuff written by an all but unknown source doesnt provide!
Its very good to have a base knowledge of physiology, but you learn how to apply this knowledge from these sorts of forums…
Most importantly, raising a question , albeit lazy or not, will provoke discussion, and lead people to provide you with a variety of sources to read - rather than you arriving at ill informed conclusions based on a lack of scope in your reading.
One thing I do agree on is that a simple use of the T forum search function could avoid the same questions coming up again and again.
[/quote]
You miss the point. I don’t understand how considering I made it clear in the first place. This has jack shit to do with simply asking a question and everything to do with not putting in any leg work on your own and relying on one source for everything you think you know.
Why would someone who is building their body avoid all media that has to do with bodybuilding except for one source? It would take all of 2 minutes to skim through a magazine and determine if you could gain anything at all from it. So why are people avoiding them? Because someone here told them to?
If you are logging into T-Nation and T-Nation is now your one source for info, you are doing yourself a disservice.
If that needs further explanation, you may want to try rereading this thread.
While many magazines are simply multi-page ads for worthless supplements (Like Flex or Muscle & Fitness), some actually do follow bodybuilding and focus on it well. I already mentioned Muscular Development.
You have people who are bodybuilding who don’t even know who was Mr. Olympia before Ronnie Coleman. Does anyone here think they could succeed at anything without ever looking at what those who came before you did?
Logging into an internet website takes no effort. That is why most of these guys won’t even bother searching first before they ask about something as common as creatine. You get no respect for being like that simply because you asked a question. I would waste even less time on someone like that if they came up to me in person…someone who clearly isn’t trying hard but wants me to lead them by the hand and tell them everything they should do step by step simply because they asked.
Professor X, I understand what you are saying, but the point of a forum is that it can be a good resource for information. I assume that even you come to this forum to share your knowledge and learn from others. If not then you are here just to badger those you feel are of lesser intelligence. I would hope that is not the case. You have a point, you can get good information from a variety of sources, but you can also get a lot of bad information from a variety of sources.
Forums are a good place to double check your findings with people that have been around the block and, as you put it, have the real world experience. I know it can be frustrating to answer questions that seem simple, but remember you can chose the forums you read.
As for Markdp,
I don’t remember who mantioned it earlier, but if you are unhappy with your arm size, what are you going to do about it?
Poliquin just had a pretty good tip in his recent tips article,
Increase your leg size and your arms will grow. The body is about ballance.
[quote]seabass34 wrote:
Professor X, I understand what you are saying, but the point of a forum is that it can be a good resource for information.
[/quote]
The goal should not be to find “a good resource for information”. The goal should be “well rounded understanding of the target subject matter from AS MANY RESOURCES AS POSSIBLE using common sense to determine which are even worth looking at in the first place”.
This does not mean every single magazine ever published is worth looking at. It does not mean every single trainer needs to be asked for info. It does not mean every book written needs to be read. It means stop being little sheep and realize that while this is a source for info, you will be at a disadvantage if it is your ONE source for information.
Logging onto the internet with absolutely no foundation at all for knowledge is setting yourself up for confusion and failure. Like always, the effort is up to you and simply pressing “log in” doesn’t count towards it.
Amen to that. Its hard to argue with that as its what I strive to you, but sometimes you just don’t know where to start, and in my personal opinion this site can either start you off very well or very badly, depending entirely on what you click on first!
Ideally yes, everyone would take biology and know how basic functions work.
realistically, the T-editors could push the basic information to the fore on the largest hit sections of the site, to stop this regurgitation