lol, no problem waylander. I’ve had to take more than my fair share of anatomy classes so far in college, so I’m more than happy to help anytime an anatomy question pops up.
Akuma I took your advice today when doing incline smith press on how to contract/feel your upper pecs and I got a much better mind-muscle connection than previously. Thanks!
[quote]Bambi wrote:
Akuma I took your advice today when doing incline smith press on how to contract/feel your upper pecs and I got a much better mind-muscle connection than previously. Thanks![/quote]
Fantastic. Thats a tool that can be applied to any muscle and any movement. Make use of it!
For those who do/have done dips, do you notice a transfer to your bench? I like them but I remember last year I went up with dips about 35lb from where I started and my bench was stalled the entire time.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
On flies:
and bringing them up maybe 3/4 of the way.
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Did this today, albeit with cables, but I stopped well short of where I typically do…
WOW.
Instead of touching and holding the contraction I stopped about shoulder width and held. Holy shit is that awesome.
Not a flye-press hybrid akuma? Well, then that’s seriously impressive… Regular flyes bother the hell out of my shoulders, so I never do them, but I don’t think I’ve seen many use the 100’s on actual flyes, congrats man.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Not a flye-press hybrid akuma? Well, then that’s seriously impressive… Regular flyes bother the hell out of my shoulders, so I never do them, but I don’t think I’ve seen many use the 100’s on actual flyes, congrats man.
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subtle call out is subtle
lol 
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Not a flye-press hybrid akuma? Well, then that’s seriously impressive… Regular flyes bother the hell out of my shoulders, so I never do them, but I don’t think I’ve seen many use the 100’s on actual flyes, congrats man.
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subtle call out is subtle
lol :P[/quote]
Nah, if it came across as one then that was not my intention.
Ya, normally im up there. Today when i did chest, i threw Guillotine presses and incline DB presses in before i DB flyed, Plus the shitty bench i used is fucking wobbly (Thanks to my crappy gym and the Dumbasses who think Jumping onto the bench is a workout) so today i capped out at 85. The Guillotines seem to bother my shoulders a bit, which reflected on my Flys lol. Usually Ill do my flys right after my first compound movement though, as i like to alternate Presses and Flys.
And quit trying to instigate anything Way, you fat bastard!
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
On flies:
and bringing them up maybe 3/4 of the way.
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Did this today, albeit with cables, but I stopped well short of where I typically do…
WOW.
Instead of touching and holding the contraction I stopped about shoulder width and held. Holy shit is that awesome. [/quote]
Yep. Like i said bro, when people touch DBs at the top of a fly, they remove all that stress on their pecs. If you stop 3/4 of the way up, and focus on the negative movement of the rep, your pecs will tear to shreds. I have measured (im pretty sure my flys are the cause of this), and i have 8-9 inch stretchmarks across my chest that are 1 inch thick. I wear them as Purple Hearts lol.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
On flies:
and bringing them up maybe 3/4 of the way.
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Did this today, albeit with cables, but I stopped well short of where I typically do…
WOW.
Instead of touching and holding the contraction I stopped about shoulder width and held. Holy shit is that awesome. [/quote]
Seems like that technique would be better for db flies since with cables you get tension through the whole range of motion. But its always good to experiment to find techniques that work for you for example on incline db press at the bottom I pause for 1-2 seconds and when I press I find that it makes my pecs contract harder and my shoulders do less of the work.
I looks like its working more delt and trap then your major but if it floats the boat for you then by all means…
[quote]StakedJacked wrote:
I looks like its working more delt and trap then your major but if it floats the boat for you then by all means…[/quote]
what, my flying?
So I had a chest day yesterday and boy am I sore today. I started off with Incline dumbbells, because I feel my upper is behind my lower chest, and worked my way up to 95’s for 5. Then I added regular dumbbell flyes back in for the first time in 2 months. After I hit upper again with this incline bench: http://www.precor.com/comm/en/str-pl/pl541
I think you guys are missing the point of pullovers. Pullovers were never meant to be a pectoral exercise. They are a “chest” exercise, in that they work the ribcage muscles(serratus, and intercostals). Anyone looking for a balanced physique should get up ons. Good ribcage musculature ties your chest, abs, and lats (in a front lat spread) together very nicely.
[quote]Hyena wrote:
I think you guys are missing the point of pullovers. Pullovers were never meant to be a pectoral exercise. They are a “chest” exercise, in that they work the ribcage muscles(serratus, and intercostals). Anyone looking for a balanced physique should get up ons. Good ribcage musculature ties your chest, abs, and lats (in a front lat spread) together very nicely.[/quote]
Bingo!
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]Hyena wrote:
I think you guys are missing the point of pullovers. Pullovers were never meant to be a pectoral exercise. They are a “chest” exercise, in that they work the ribcage muscles(serratus, and intercostals). Anyone looking for a balanced physique should get up ons. Good ribcage musculature ties your chest, abs, and lats (in a front lat spread) together very nicely.[/quote]
Bingo![/quote]
So why are these a better choice than rope pulldowns on a back day or V grip pulldowns? I feel both of those much more in my serratus than a DB pullover and I certainly wouldn’t put either of those movements on my chest day.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]Hyena wrote:
I think you guys are missing the point of pullovers. Pullovers were never meant to be a pectoral exercise. They are a “chest” exercise, in that they work the ribcage muscles(serratus, and intercostals). Anyone looking for a balanced physique should get up ons. Good ribcage musculature ties your chest, abs, and lats (in a front lat spread) together very nicely.[/quote]
Bingo![/quote]
So why are these a better choice than rope pulldowns on a back day or V grip pulldowns? I feel both of those much more in my serratus than a DB pullover and I certainly wouldn’t put either of those movements on my chest day.[/quote]
Personally, i dont like reducing my serratus to 1 movement. I do Rope pulldowns AND pullovers on my chest day for my serratus. The difference is the tremendous stretch you get in the intercostals while doing DB pullovers, thats one of the key points about them. As for the V grip pulldowns, I mean if you feel it bro, go for it. But since i dont do serratus on my back day like you, i try to remove my lats from the movement.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
For those who do/have done dips, do you notice a transfer to your bench? I like them but I remember last year I went up with dips about 35lb from where I started and my bench was stalled the entire time. [/quote]
i noticed the same but then i read that you have to build to bw+200 lbs for reps to see some transfer…
when doing cable flies (bringing the hands together at chin height) i usually notice too much stress in my front deltas - any advice on how to avoid this?
i mean, i still feel the contraction really well in my upper chest, but i’m also pretty sure i shouldn’t feel it that much in my shoulder…