Are YOUR Pectorales Major?

Another installment from your friendly Neighborhood Akuma. The Chest is quite easily one most desirable muscles to have large, thick, and protruding; “but”, you may ask, “how do we make are chests large and invariably in charge, Akuma?”

The Pectorals themselves are actually two large muscles, the pectoralis Major and the pectoralis Minor. The main function of the â??pecsâ?? is to pull the upper arm across the body. Its reasons like this that make me believe that simply Bench pressing will not cut it when it comes to Chest development. Also, i believe its important to discuss DBs VS BBs very quickly. Which should you use? The correct answer is both, in different forms or variations depending on the needs and abilities of YOUR body. In bodybuilding, there is no ‘1 Right Way.’ So i say, use it all, Dbs, BBs, Machines, Cables, etc. Now, attacking the chest from different angles will definitely ensure you develop a properly proportioned and thick all around chest. Lets try and throw 2 movements per section that I BELIEVE to be some of the best movements. So, beginning with the upper pec…

The “upper pec” or rather the Superior portion of the pectoralis major. Honestly, one of my favorite areas to hit. WHy? because now that my upper chest is actually proportionally developed and large, i can use it as a chin rest for funsies, =p. If i were to Narrow down my upper chest work to 2 exercises, i would have to say the DB incline press and the Mid pulley coressovers. Now, for the first, i say DB over BB. I say this because when using Incline BB, i tend to take the brunt of the damage in my shoulder. It is my understanding that this is pretty common, So i say take the DB route here. On top of being safer on the shoulder, you will also get more of a pec stretch, if you’re performing the movement fully that is. With the lower weight, the size doesnt get in the way as much, and i strongly suggest performing your reps in the shape of a Triangle, starting at the bottom 2 angles and pressing up to the triangle apex. As your weight increases, the triangle method becomes less effective, simply because the Dbs themselves become to large lol. Secondly, the Crossovers. When performing these, if the upper chest is the target, id say to raise your arms so that at the end of the movement, your palms are chin height, this will really nail the upper chest at the peak of the movement. I also want to stress the CROSSOVER part of the crossover. Its the actual crossing of your arms that will blast your inner chest at the top of the movement as well.

Next, the Mid portion of the Pec. As i was saying earlier, The primary function of the pecs is to pull your upper arms across the body. This is why DB flies is a constant in my routines. I also think its fair to say that this is one of the most blundered exercises i see. Its important to realize that the stress of this movement is applied AT THE BOTTOM, not the top. If you are touching the DBs at the top of the movement, you are coming up too high. It is unnecessary rest, and in my eyes counterproductive to your goal. Focus on the bottom half of the movement, letting the DBs drop to parallel or lower if possible to the floor, and bringing them up maybe 3/4 of the way. Secondly, i think id have to throw Guillotine presses into the mix. I recall reading an article on this site that stated that Guillotine presses, performed with feet on the bench, no arch, elbows flared out, wider grip, and bar lowered to the neck, works much more pec than the standard bench press.

The Lower portion of the pec. Dips, Dips, and more Dips. Do them weighted, make it heavy, and make it hard. If you are feeling in your triceps, adjust yourself, change your ROM, feel it out, but i say stick with them. Weighted Dips are definitely one my favorites. Secondly, id have to say that Smith Cage Decline BB presses feel fantastic.

I think its also important to mention The serratus anterior in this installment. I say this because DB pullovers are a great movement that helps develop the pecs, the serratus, and can arguably help expand your ribcage, which would help your chest appearance. A Great ribcage can only help you in your chest poses. Thats all i got for now, happy lifting.

Great stuff Akuma. I really like your posts recently, they’re very helpful

I’ve been doing these for upper chest the last couple weeks.

WAY too early to tell if they are going to work for me

I figure fuck it, I’ll sacrifice 2 mins of my life to see if they work.

Huh…never seen anything like that. Lol thats actually pretty weird. Im feeling it out right now, and personally i dont feel it too much, but hey if it works for you, more power to you. It feels like itd be too easy to to distribute the weight elsewhere than on your upper chest, and thats just me feeling it out. I imagine doing it with weight would make it all the harder. If i were to try this movement with weights, it would for sure just be at the end of my workout, AFTER i had already done what i needed to do for my upper area. Ya mean?

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
If i were to try this movement with weights, it would for sure just be at the end of my workout, AFTER i had already done what i needed to do for my upper area. Ya mean?[/quote]

No doubt, I throw it in on shoulder days to be honest. It’s not going to be a major staple I don’t think, but any little bit helps.

It is weird, but I can make my chest move the weight. I have to touch the muscle like that dude is though. You kind of have to bring your shoulders in towards the front of you…

One thing that has helped me get a good Mind Muscle connection with upper pecs was a supperset I got from WSFJB.

Supperset the mid/high cable flies and incline DB bench. I can’t go super heavy on either, but it pumps up the chest like a motherfucker and helped me establish a pretty good MMC after a couple sessions.

High rep wide’ish grip Flat bench with scaps retracted hard and minimal lockouts works for me. That HS flat bench that X uses is also really nice but it’s not at the gym I’m using now :L

I like the point you brought up about not bringing the dumbbells completely together on flies. I used to do that, but after seeing some pros talk about how they don’t, I stopped. Basically its because, like you said, your pec remains under stress the whole rep, instead of getting a break at the top.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
If i were to try this movement with weights, it would for sure just be at the end of my workout, AFTER i had already done what i needed to do for my upper area. Ya mean?[/quote]

No doubt, I throw it in on shoulder days to be honest. It’s not going to be a major staple I don’t think, but any little bit helps.

It is weird, but I can make my chest move the weight. I have to touch the muscle like that dude is though. You kind of have to bring your shoulders in towards the front of you…

One thing that has helped me get a good Mind Muscle connection with upper pecs was a supperset I got from WSFJB.

Supperset the mid/high cable flies and incline DB bench. I can’t go super heavy on either, but it pumps up the chest like a motherfucker and helped me establish a pretty good MMC after a couple sessions. [/quote]

Lol oh i hear ya. Mind muscle connection is EXTREMELY helpful, especially when attempting to hit neglected/tougher regions, Lateral head of the triceps for example. When trying to feel a movement out, i will also hold onto the muscle and concentrate on the contraction. That M/M applies everywhere.

[quote]trav123456 wrote:
High rep wide’ish grip Flat bench with scaps retracted hard and minimal lockouts works for me. That HS flat bench that X uses is also really nice but it’s not at the gym I’m using now :L[/quote]

Yea, i cant comment too much on the HS benches, my gym has 1, and its an isolateral incline Bench. Getting into it is a pain, and i basically need a liftoff to start moving the weight because of how i have to bend to grip the bar. I believe X said something along the lines of playing tetris when entering one of those machines lol. I still dont see how he fits though lol

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]trav123456 wrote:
High rep wide’ish grip Flat bench with scaps retracted hard and minimal lockouts works for me. That HS flat bench that X uses is also really nice but it’s not at the gym I’m using now :L[/quote]

Yea, i cant comment too much on the HS benches, my gym has 1, and its an isolateral incline Bench. Getting into it is a pain, and i basically need a liftoff to start moving the weight because of how i have to bend to grip the bar. I believe X said something along the lines of playing tetris when entering one of those machines lol. I still dont see how he fits though lol[/quote]

Definitely try them if you get a chance! Definitely feels like nothing else in the gym for chest, if I had a shoulder injury that’s probably all I would use for pec work.

Beans that movement looks pretty weird :confused: I’d sooner go for an incline fly than something as odd as that. I’ll have to try it next time though

How much time do you spend coming up with your witty thread titles?

Is all machine training for pecs okay. my chest routine is basically inc hammer presses and db flies. any pressing movement that requires stabilization automatically transfers to my tris and delts. Am i short changing my self by doing this?

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
How much time do you spend coming up with your witty thread titles?[/quote]

Honestly, just comes to me. 5 secs max. Im Witty to the max =p

[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
Is all machine training for pecs okay. my chest routine is basically inc hammer presses and db flies. any pressing movement that requires stabilization automatically transfers to my tris and delts. Am i short changing my self by doing this? [/quote]

Personally i wouldnt like that. I mean i believe some people do it, hell, Prof? You solely use machines, dont you?

I like to use mostly machines because otherwise I end up using too much delt. Even with DB’s I Still seem to do it.

Do you tri delt dominant guys tuck your scalps really hard when pressing? That made a big difference for me when I learned to keep that portion tight, especially with a barbell.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I like to use mostly machines because otherwise I end up using too much delt. Even with DB’s I Still seem to do it.[/quote]

I find that this can be solved through adjustment of arm placement.

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I like to use mostly machines because otherwise I end up using too much delt. Even with DB’s I Still seem to do it.[/quote]

I find that this can be solved through adjustment of arm placement. [/quote]

I’ve practiced with it. Lately I’ve been doing some DB benching with lighter weights and really trying to flare my elbows. I get a very good stretch and it feels like the exercise is working but at some point my delts always kick in when the weights go up. Because of that I’m just sticking with like 80’s at the very end of my workout and using it as a finisher.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I like to use mostly machines because otherwise I end up using too much delt. Even with DB’s I Still seem to do it.[/quote]

Way, your back is ridonculous in that avi, baby!

I could probably get away with only doing flat bench and still have good pecs, just one muscle that seems to grow really nicely for me. But I like to keep things simple, bench variations, dips and flys…HS machines are also nice too. Like all my training work up to a really heavy 4-6 rep top set and then the other exercises are more “pump” type movements to focus on the squeeze etc. Nothing special, just love to train chest…