People say that drinking out of plastic bottles will raise plastic levels in your body and estrogen levels, therefore decreasing testosterone levels. But as long as you don’t heat the bottle and reuse the same one, is this something really to be concerned with?
I think the jury is still out. Since it was an easy change to go to a stainless steel bottle I switched. I figured if there’s a chance that plastic might introduce more toxins and I can change it why not then.
I’m not worried about it. I’ve been drinking a gallon or two out of plastic bottles every day for the last 10 years. If it was that bad for me, switching is probably futile for me at this point.
Not using plastic bottles is so easy, even a caveman could do it (pun intended… caveman lifestyle: a little more dangerous, but less environmental estrogens floating around as well)
i cant wait for the day when the only thing left in my life to worry about is drinking out of plastic bottles.
A good documentary on this is “The Disappearing Male.” It talks about how plastic is damaging the quality of sperm in males and how the population is now more abundant with females than males.
At this time I have no problem with having jacked up sperm and an abundance of women.
The softer/more pliable the plastic, the more likely xenoestrogens will be leached into your system. My understanding however is this only becomes a real concern when heating your food contained within the plastic. I wouldn’t worry about simply drinking water from a plastic bottle personally.
[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:
The softer/more pliable the plastic, the more likely xenoestrogens will be leached into your system. My understanding however is this only becomes a real concern when heating your food contained within the plastic. I wouldn’t worry about simply drinking water from a plastic bottle personally.[/quote]
And this thinking is why the problem persists…
[quote]rholdnr wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
The softer/more pliable the plastic, the more likely xenoestrogens will be leached into your system. My understanding however is this only becomes a real concern when heating your food contained within the plastic. I wouldn’t worry about simply drinking water from a plastic bottle personally.
And this thinking is why the problem persists…[/quote]
Proof, references, studies???
Here in Mexico you buy drinking water in 20 litre plastic bottles. How am I supposed to avoid it?
Also search the Anti-Estrogenic Diet book. It’s got some simple practical strategies about getting rid of estrogens in your body.
[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:
rholdnr wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
The softer/more pliable the plastic, the more likely xenoestrogens will be leached into your system. My understanding however is this only becomes a real concern when heating your food contained within the plastic. I wouldn’t worry about simply drinking water from a plastic bottle personally.
And this thinking is why the problem persists…
Proof, references, studies???[/quote]
google it, you can do you’re own research, you’re a big boy…
[quote]rholdnr wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
rholdnr wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
The softer/more pliable the plastic, the more likely xenoestrogens will be leached into your system. My understanding however is this only becomes a real concern when heating your food contained within the plastic. I wouldn’t worry about simply drinking water from a plastic bottle personally.
And this thinking is why the problem persists…
Proof, references, studies???
google it, you can do you’re own research, you’re a big boy…[/quote]
Well you think a lot of yourself don’t you.
[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:
rholdnr wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
The softer/more pliable the plastic, the more likely xenoestrogens will be leached into your system. My understanding however is this only becomes a real concern when heating your food contained within the plastic. I wouldn’t worry about simply drinking water from a plastic bottle personally.
And this thinking is why the problem persists…
Proof, references, studies???[/quote]
This probably isn’t quite what you were looking for, but I have always avoided drinking water from a plastic bottle where I didn’t put the water in the bottle. For instance, if you buy an Aquafina from your local corner store, sure it came out of a cold refrigerator, but what are the chances it was refrigerated all the way from bottling to said store? Probably 0. If that bottle had sat on a loading dock with direct sunlight on a hot summer day, then that water could have been heated to more than 100 degrees farenheit. If it approaches that temp the same sort of problems can arise that can arise when microwaving food in plastics. Or at least that is my reasoning.
In a pinch I will drink the water, but for the most part I just avoid it.
[quote]Loui.s wrote:
A good documentary on this is “The Disappearing Male.” It talks about how plastic is damaging the quality of sperm in males and how the population is now more abundant with females than males.[/quote]
I went and watched it this morning. Very interesting. Some of their numbers need more info - such as when they stated that there are almost 3 million less males now. Less than what? What there should be given population growth? Less than there were 50 years ago? I believe it is the former rather than the latter as that would make the most sense, but they never explained it when they mentioned it (twice). Things like that. The skimmed over a lot of numbers without explaining them. Hard to get all the info in a 1 hour show I am sure.
One thing that struck me the most was that college aged males of today have 50% of the sperm production/efficacy of their fathers when they were that age. Holy shit!!!
[quote]rholdnr wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
rholdnr wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
The softer/more pliable the plastic, the more likely xenoestrogens will be leached into your system. My understanding however is this only becomes a real concern when heating your food contained within the plastic. I wouldn’t worry about simply drinking water from a plastic bottle personally.
And this thinking is why the problem persists…
Proof, references, studies???
google it, you can do you’re own research, you’re a big boy…[/quote]
Ahh, so you do your research over google do you? I usually like to get my studies from scientific databases. I assume you’ve just read through “hearsay” articles and no actual studies then? It isn’t simply that I’m too lazy to do the search for myself, in fact, I have and in the process have encountered nothing that suggests plastic can leach xenoestrogens unless heated. If you have, I was simply hoping you could bestow your vast wisdom upon me. Typically when someone makes a claim, support is required. If you have none, then just say so. If you can manage to remember what your source is, I will gladly look it up myself.
[quote]rholdnr wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
rholdnr wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
The softer/more pliable the plastic, the more likely xenoestrogens will be leached into your system. My understanding however is this only becomes a real concern when heating your food contained within the plastic. I wouldn’t worry about simply drinking water from a plastic bottle personally.
And this thinking is why the problem persists…
Proof, references, studies???
google it, you can do you’re own research, you’re a big boy…[/quote]
…and on a side note, it’s “your” own research. You would use “you’re” in a context where you could substitute the phrase, “you are”. Just an fyi big boy.
[quote]Icarus wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
rholdnr wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
The softer/more pliable the plastic, the more likely xenoestrogens will be leached into your system. My understanding however is this only becomes a real concern when heating your food contained within the plastic. I wouldn’t worry about simply drinking water from a plastic bottle personally.
And this thinking is why the problem persists…
Proof, references, studies???
This probably isn’t quite what you were looking for, but I have always avoided drinking water from a plastic bottle where I didn’t put the water in the bottle. For instance, if you buy an Aquafina from your local corner store, sure it came out of a cold refrigerator, but what are the chances it was refrigerated all the way from bottling to said store? Probably 0. If that bottle had sat on a loading dock with direct sunlight on a hot summer day, then that water could have been heated to more than 100 degrees farenheit. If it approaches that temp the same sort of problems can arise that can arise when microwaving food in plastics. Or at least that is my reasoning.
In a pinch I will drink the water, but for the most part I just avoid it.
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That is a good point. Typically I get ahold of a plastic drinking bottle and simply reuse/refill it again and again with tap water. I only get another “fresh”, unopened bottle when I misplace or lose the one I was using.
[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:
rholdnr wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
rholdnr wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
The softer/more pliable the plastic, the more likely xenoestrogens will be leached into your system. My understanding however is this only becomes a real concern when heating your food contained within the plastic. I wouldn’t worry about simply drinking water from a plastic bottle personally.
And this thinking is why the problem persists…
Proof, references, studies???
google it, you can do you’re own research, you’re a big boy…
…and on a side note, it’s “your” own research. You would use “you’re” in a context where you could substitute the phrase, “you are”. Just an fyi big boy.
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Pardon me, Im a grammar nut myself and I dont know how I f*cked that up…and no, I dont recall the specific referances, and yes, I do use respectable resources such as the journal of nhi (which can be sourced through google’s search engine).