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[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

[quote]ParagonA wrote:
A verrry fat co-worker once talked so proudly about her big breasts, which, to me, was pretty ridiculous and pissed me off somehow.

I told her that if I were 300 pounds, I’d probably have 20 inch arms.
Think she got it.

Fact is, I don’t have 20 inch arms and probably never will. But then again, I rarely go beyond 10% bodyfat and am 8%ish most of the time. I do bench more than 450 and place decently in the contests I do.

With all due respect, this thread is getting more and more ridiculous.[/quote]

How, because after 2 months and one week of training

I weigh 235.5 lbs
with 19" arms

and can bench 350
Squat 450
and deadlift nearly 550.??

Too bad that within a year, ill have bigger AND LEANER
arms than you will ever have.

I promise I will have lean 20s in a year.

Enjoy. Good luck with your contests.
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Wait wait wait wat… You put 30lbs on your dead and SEVENTY lbs on your bench in a week? Did I miss these vids? There is no way this is legit.[/quote]

Don’t worry more vids will be coming soon.

It’s reached the point where it’s silly for people to call me out now.

But if you wish. I will oblige you.
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How is it silly? You claimed to add 70lbs to your bench in a week. That is fucking insane. Do you have a dated vid of the 280?

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[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

No … but you all don’t seem to understand that fat is SO MUCH easier to lose, than lean mass is to gain.
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I’ve read this same general statement over and over again over on this site for the last 2 years and actually believed it. That is, until I tried losing losing the fat without losing muscle recently myself. It seems to me the only people that make it sound as if they can easily and magically peel off all the fat they’ve gained, are the ones that have never made it to under 10% bodyfat themselves.

Kudos, on your progress. I’m not knocking that. It’s the notion that you can snap your fingers and retain your all of your LBM while you diet down (SO MUCH easier) that I have an issue with. You were arguing with a guy that competed over who has more LBM. It doesn’t make sense to compare until you actually get that lean.
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i think Akhuma is going to learn about this first hand when he competes. I think he started at around 260 and i would bet good money that he will end up around 170ish at single digit competition weight.

that’s a perfect example of what the reality of cutting weight to get really lean is. plus, to get to that 170ish is going to be hell. [/quote]

No way 170!!

you have gone way WAY too low…

That chi-town kid here is competing at a higher weight than that — and he looks good, but he clearly isn’t as big a guy as Akuma would be.

IMHO Akuma has well over 200 pounds lbm
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there’s your problem… “your opinion” you don’t know enough yet to realize that you don’t know shit.

i’ve been competing in bodybuilding and powerlifting for more years than you have lived.

chi-town has been COMPETING at a higher weight. the important word in that sentence is competing. chi-town is lean and stays lean. Akhuma has a lot of weight to lose to get down to where chi-town is. mark my words, when Akhuma gets down to single digits he will be 170ish in single digits. this is no way a dig at Akhuma. i think he will look great when he gets there but that’s what it’s going to take to get to competition lean. if you haven’t done it, your opinion is just like assholes, everyone has one.

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This is just hilarious…

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[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

No … but you all don’t seem to understand that fat is SO MUCH easier to lose, than lean mass is to gain.
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I’ve read this same general statement over and over again over on this site for the last 2 years and actually believed it. That is, until I tried losing losing the fat without losing muscle recently myself. It seems to me the only people that make it sound as if they can easily and magically peel off all the fat they’ve gained, are the ones that have never made it to under 10% bodyfat themselves.

Kudos, on your progress. I’m not knocking that. It’s the notion that you can snap your fingers and retain your all of your LBM while you diet down (SO MUCH easier) that I have an issue with. You were arguing with a guy that competed over who has more LBM. It doesn’t make sense to compare until you actually get that lean.
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i think Akhuma is going to learn about this first hand when he competes. I think he started at around 260 and i would bet good money that he will end up around 170ish at single digit competition weight.

that’s a perfect example of what the reality of cutting weight to get really lean is. plus, to get to that 170ish is going to be hell. [/quote]

No way 170!!

you have gone way WAY too low…

That chi-town kid here is competing at a higher weight than that — and he looks good, but he clearly isn’t as big a guy as Akuma would be.

IMHO Akuma has well over 200 pounds lbm
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there’s your problem… “your opinion” you don’t know enough yet to realize that you don’t know shit.

i’ve been competing in bodybuilding and powerlifting for more years than you have lived.

chi-town has been COMPETING at a higher weight. the important word in that sentence is competing. chi-town is lean and stays lean. Akhuma has a lot of weight to lose to get down to where chi-town is. mark my words, when Akhuma gets down to single digits he will be 170ish in single digits. this is no way a dig at Akhuma. i think he will look great when he gets there but that’s what it’s going to take to get to competition lean. if you haven’t done it, your opinion is just like assholes, everyone has one.
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To say that a non-fat person like Akuma with multi-year lifting experience would have to lose close to 100lbs IS ridiculous.

I have a half-cast mate who is 160lbs and ripped to the bone, but he looks like nothing. To say that someone with this much lifting experience would only have a physique similar to my mate who does no physical activity other than play basketball now and again is frankly ridiculous.

For one thing I can tell you that my actualy bones and organs probably weigh more than 170lbs…

In fact… the whole thought of being 170lbs is ridiculous. I weighed 170lbs when I was 14 or 15 and was very skinny…
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you don’t have a fucking clue. and i just saw your “list” of lifts that you say that you can do after this short period of time.

here’s some advice- get a vid… especially of the 8 plates a side of hack squat before you say another damn word. here’s one of mine doing a measly 6 plates a side. if your vid doesn’t look even close to this, don’t even bother.

i’ve been very patient up to this point with you. but from someone that has actually worked hard, competed for many many years at the local, state, national and world level, you are an insult to people like me. I know what it takes to get lean. I know what it takes to get strong. the garbage that comes out of your mouth, the train wreck that IS your lifting form and your total outlook on lifting makes my eye twitch.

But i’ll definitely sit back and watch that train. i’ve seen it so many many times.

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I demand another dumbbell curl video

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You know I was surprised to see that Sloh kid who bulked up from 125 to 200 would have to lose as much as he did. There are pics of him at 160lbs and he’s not even near competition weight yet. If I hadn’t seen that thread I probably would have a hard time believing Akuma would need to hit 170lb to compete, but now I can tell maraudermeat is likely correct.

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Over 20 pages in a little over a week? That has to be a record for T-Nation. This thread is entertaining to say the least.

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[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

No … but you all don’t seem to understand that fat is SO MUCH easier to lose, than lean mass is to gain.
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I’ve read this same general statement over and over again over on this site for the last 2 years and actually believed it. That is, until I tried losing losing the fat without losing muscle recently myself. It seems to me the only people that make it sound as if they can easily and magically peel off all the fat they’ve gained, are the ones that have never made it to under 10% bodyfat themselves.

Kudos, on your progress. I’m not knocking that. It’s the notion that you can snap your fingers and retain your all of your LBM while you diet down (SO MUCH easier) that I have an issue with. You were arguing with a guy that competed over who has more LBM. It doesn’t make sense to compare until you actually get that lean.
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i think Akhuma is going to learn about this first hand when he competes. I think he started at around 260 and i would bet good money that he will end up around 170ish at single digit competition weight.

that’s a perfect example of what the reality of cutting weight to get really lean is. plus, to get to that 170ish is going to be hell. [/quote]

No way 170!!

you have gone way WAY too low…

That chi-town kid here is competing at a higher weight than that — and he looks good, but he clearly isn’t as big a guy as Akuma would be.

IMHO Akuma has well over 200 pounds lbm
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there’s your problem… “your opinion” you don’t know enough yet to realize that you don’t know shit.

i’ve been competing in bodybuilding and powerlifting for more years than you have lived.

chi-town has been COMPETING at a higher weight. the important word in that sentence is competing. chi-town is lean and stays lean. Akhuma has a lot of weight to lose to get down to where chi-town is. mark my words, when Akhuma gets down to single digits he will be 170ish in single digits. this is no way a dig at Akhuma. i think he will look great when he gets there but that’s what it’s going to take to get to competition lean. if you haven’t done it, your opinion is just like assholes, everyone has one.
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To say that a non-fat person like Akuma with multi-year lifting experience would have to lose close to 100lbs IS ridiculous.

I have a half-cast mate who is 160lbs and ripped to the bone, but he looks like nothing (with clothes on). To say that someone with this much lifting experience would only have a physique similar to my mate who does no physical activity other than play basketball now and again is frankly ridiculous.

For one thing I can tell you that my actualy bones and organs probably weigh more than 170lbs…

In fact… the whole thought of being 170lbs is ridiculous. I weighed 170lbs when I was 14 or 15 and was very skinny…
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How tall is Akuma, anyway?

Here’s my two cents, though: take a look at the photo from above (photo didn’t come through, so here: http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3104/71438598.jpg ). I’m 5’6". I wasn’t even weighing 190 lbs at the time the photo was taken. And I’m pretty sure that I may have had to lose at least 40 lbs from that shape to get contest ready. Now, I think Akuma is a bit taller than I am. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if he should end up weighing 170 lbs come contest day.

Remember what synergy93 has said in his thread about bein humble, gracious and learning from those that accomplished a lot in their training career. No, I’m not talking about myself, but about guys like maraudermeat and ParagonA.

There’s just no carry-over from your exceptional strength-levels to making educated guesses about how much lard one has to lose to get contest ready.

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I respect that you could be a genetic freak.

I also respect your enthusiasm.

But you are a douche and need to stop claiming numbers without videos.

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MM is going as low as he possibly can in his vid, OP your hack squat was a partial at best , i agree with what MM meat says, if anything i would take some tips from him and learn , i wouldnt go gung ho now and throw 6 plates a side on HS just to prove a point, you might up injuring yourself and doing more harm than good.

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[quote]FattyFat wrote:
Remember what synergy93 has said in his thread about bein humble, gracious and learning from those that accomplished a lot in their training career. No, I’m not talking about myself, but about guys like maraudermeat and ParagonA.
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QFT

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[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
I respect that you could be a genetic freak.

I also respect your enthusiasm.

But you are a douche and need to stop claiming numbers without videos. [/quote]

What’s wrong with claiming the numbers THEN, backing them up with the video, after it pisses everyone off :slight_smile:

I will get some more tomorrow though, that IS a promise.

Esp, since the hack squat challenge is on…

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If you show me a 225lb barbell curl. You’ll be my hero. till then stfu.

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-Akuma is about 5’9 if I’m correct, and while I wouldn’t say he’s going to be 170 onstage, we’re definitely looking somewhere between 175-185, depending on his frame, and how much LBM his body’s natural tendency to hold on to turns out to be. Bottom line is that dropping from his original weight of 260 to ‘contest lean’ is a tremendous drop, and even if we draw it out as best we can’ there will always (ALWAYS) be SOME amount of LBM lost in the process. Anyone who has prepped for a contest before will attest to this fact.

-If you’ve never dieted for a bodybuilding contest, then you have no idea what ‘ripped’ really means. Everyone on the street knows ‘someone’ who they think is “ripped”, but in all honesty would place dead last were they put onstage in a BBing contest, and people in the audience would be screaming about how ‘fat’ they were.

-Gains, strength wise and muscle wise, never keep up at the pace they start at. It is unwise to learn from those who already took the path you’re starting on. Even if you don’t think it will apply to you, you’re foolish to ignore the details of their journeys as you travel on yours.

-Feats of strength or physique may seem impressive, but no one will care if you’re an ass (not an attack, just a truism of life and the gym).

S

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