[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Prof X, what do you consider not average? You continuously say that everyone here is average, so what is not average? [/quote]
How would I know how many people here are “average”? Someone could be above average and make average progress based on their own mental limitations or what they choose to believe. I personally think Louddog on this site has better genetics than the results he is showing…but he won’t eat more due to both finances and his belief that he shouldn’t I guess.
There are others who seem to have above average genetic shape and potential who likely won’t reach that potential because they are listening to people like simonidas tell them they should only be eating chicken breasts and rice.
Average to me is someone who trains for several years yet still doesn’t look really built to other serious gym goers. We are not talking about being told you are huge by some kids in your 11th grade class room.
People with the genetics for this, assuming they eat and train right, will show it within 5 years of training most of the time…usually less. That means within 5 years, they attain enough development for that development to be the usual topic of conversation upon meeting someone.
There are no specific guidelines if that is what you are referring to, but you can bet that if someone is sporting 18+" MUSCULAR NON-OBESE arms in 3 years or less, then they are likely NOT average and likely have the genetics for this.
No … but you all don’t seem to understand that fat is SO MUCH easier to lose, than lean mass is to gain.
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I’ve read this same general statement over and over again over on this site for the last 2 years and actually believed it. That is, until I tried losing losing the fat without losing muscle recently myself. It seems to me the only people that make it sound as if they can easily and magically peel off all the fat they’ve gained, are the ones that have never made it to under 10% bodyfat themselves.
Kudos, on your progress. I’m not knocking that. It’s the notion that you can snap your fingers and retain your all of your LBM while you diet down (SO MUCH easier) that I have an issue with. You were arguing with a guy that competed over who has more LBM. It doesn’t make sense to compare until you actually get that lean.
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I’d say it depends on body type. Some people are just better at cutting down and preserving muscle, some people are better at gaining muscle. Personally I agree with you in regards to my own body. I start getting around 8% or so and I see my strength start to dwindle. Cutting is easy, cutting and maintaining strength and muscle isn’t quite as easy as everyone seems to make it out.
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
I’m not saying he can or can’t do anything. He can do whatever he wants to. He claims to be a beginner. I am all for beginners eating a ton of calories, in fact, I think it is the best thing they can do.
When did I ever say he should eat like me? And how do you even know how I eat?
I believe the best thing a beginner should do is eat, but I also believe there needs to be limits and checks/balances that one does to make sure they are making real progress vs. not.[/quote]
Your previous statement didn’t mention “checks and balances”. It mentioned that he will not make optimal gains eating the way he is…which bypasses any check and balances and makes huge assumptions based on nothing.
He should base his eating on his progress…not what you or anyone else THINKS he will look like eating the way he is.
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Prof X, what do you consider not average? You continuously say that everyone here is average, so what is not average? [/quote]
How would I know how many people here are “average”? Someone could be above average and make average progress based on their own mental limitations or what they choose to believe. I personally think Louddog on this site has better genetics than the results he is showing…but he won’t eat more due to both finances and his belief that he shouldn’t I guess.
There are others who seem to have above average genetic shape and potential who likely won’t reach that potential because they are listening to people like simonidas tell them they should only be eating chicken breasts and rice.
Average to me is someone who trains for several years yet still doesn’t look really built to other serious gym goers. We are not talking about being told you are huge by some kids in your 11th grade class room.
People with the genetics for this, assuming they eat and train right, will show it within 5 years of training most of the time…usually less. That means within 5 years, they attain enough development for that development to be the usual topic of conversation upon meeting someone.
There are no specific guidelines if that is what you are referring to, but you can bet that if someone is sporting 18+" MUSCULAR NON-OBESE arms in 3 years or less, then they are likely NOT average and likely have the genetics for this.[/quote]
Fair enough, truly was just curious as to what your view on average/non-average was.
My previous statement actually did mention checks, it didn’t mention the work explicitly, but rather stated “looking in the mirror” and “taking proper pics” to assess progress, and I firmly believe that he should base his eating on his progress. I don’t think I ever disputed this.
I’d say it depends on body type. Some people are just better at cutting down and preserving muscle, some people are better at gaining muscle. Personally I agree with you in regards to my own body. I start getting around 8% or so and I see my strength start to dwindle. Cutting is easy, cutting and maintaining strength and muscle isn’t quite as easy as everyone seems to make it out.[/quote]
I agree. It does depend upon the person. That’s why the whole “I’ll just get peeled in 10-12 weeks” doesn’t hold water when people that have never even done that make that statement. It took me a while, but I’ve noticed it being posted over and over by people that have never walked that walk. Once you have some pics on here that shows you’ve gotten that lean, then you get talk about how easy it is.
No … but you all don’t seem to understand that fat is SO MUCH easier to lose, than lean mass is to gain.
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I’ve read this same general statement over and over again over on this site for the last 2 years and actually believed it. That is, until I tried losing losing the fat without losing muscle recently myself. It seems to me the only people that make it sound as if they can easily and magically peel off all the fat they’ve gained, are the ones that have never made it to under 10% bodyfat themselves.
Kudos, on your progress. I’m not knocking that. It’s the notion that you can snap your fingers and retain your all of your LBM while you diet down (SO MUCH easier) that I have an issue with. You were arguing with a guy that competed over who has more LBM. It doesn’t make sense to compare until you actually get that lean.
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i think Akhuma is going to learn about this first hand when he competes. I think he started at around 260 and i would bet good money that he will end up around 170ish at single digit competition weight.
that’s a perfect example of what the reality of cutting weight to get really lean is. plus, to get to that 170ish is going to be hell.
No … but you all don’t seem to understand that fat is SO MUCH easier to lose, than lean mass is to gain.
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I’ve read this same general statement over and over again over on this site for the last 2 years and actually believed it. That is, until I tried losing losing the fat without losing muscle recently myself. It seems to me the only people that make it sound as if they can easily and magically peel off all the fat they’ve gained, are the ones that have never made it to under 10% bodyfat themselves.
Kudos, on your progress. I’m not knocking that. It’s the notion that you can snap your fingers and retain your all of your LBM while you diet down (SO MUCH easier) that I have an issue with. You were arguing with a guy that competed over who has more LBM. It doesn’t make sense to compare until you actually get that lean.
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i think Akhuma is going to learn about this first hand when he competes. I think he started at around 260 and i would bet good money that he will end up around 170ish at single digit competition weight.
that’s a perfect example of what the reality of cutting weight to get really lean is. plus, to get to that 170ish is going to be hell. [/quote]
No … but you all don’t seem to understand that fat is SO MUCH easier to lose, than lean mass is to gain.
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I’ve read this same general statement over and over again over on this site for the last 2 years and actually believed it. That is, until I tried losing losing the fat without losing muscle recently myself. It seems to me the only people that make it sound as if they can easily and magically peel off all the fat they’ve gained, are the ones that have never made it to under 10% bodyfat themselves.
Kudos, on your progress. I’m not knocking that. It’s the notion that you can snap your fingers and retain your all of your LBM while you diet down (SO MUCH easier) that I have an issue with. You were arguing with a guy that competed over who has more LBM. It doesn’t make sense to compare until you actually get that lean.
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i think Akhuma is going to learn about this first hand when he competes. I think he started at around 260 and i would bet good money that he will end up around 170ish at single digit competition weight.
that’s a perfect example of what the reality of cutting weight to get really lean is. plus, to get to that 170ish is going to be hell. [/quote]
Hey! Back to the squat rack with you, Mister!
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Hey! And you need to give Prof X’s shirt back Bub!
No … but you all don’t seem to understand that fat is SO MUCH easier to lose, than lean mass is to gain.
[/quote]
I’ve read this same general statement over and over again over on this site for the last 2 years and actually believed it. That is, until I tried losing losing the fat without losing muscle recently myself. It seems to me the only people that make it sound as if they can easily and magically peel off all the fat they’ve gained, are the ones that have never made it to under 10% bodyfat themselves.
Kudos, on your progress. I’m not knocking that. It’s the notion that you can snap your fingers and retain your all of your LBM while you diet down (SO MUCH easier) that I have an issue with. You were arguing with a guy that competed over who has more LBM. It doesn’t make sense to compare until you actually get that lean.
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i think Akhuma is going to learn about this first hand when he competes. I think he started at around 260 and i would bet good money that he will end up around 170ish at single digit competition weight.
that’s a perfect example of what the reality of cutting weight to get really lean is. plus, to get to that 170ish is going to be hell. [/quote]
Hey! Back to the squat rack with you, Mister!
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Hey! And you need to give Prof X’s shirt back Bub!
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The only thing more dangerous than trying to steal a cheeseburger out of PX’s hands, is trying to steal the shirt off his back. I might have that backward, but still dangerous.
No … but you all don’t seem to understand that fat is SO MUCH easier to lose, than lean mass is to gain.
[/quote]
I’ve read this same general statement over and over again over on this site for the last 2 years and actually believed it. That is, until I tried losing losing the fat without losing muscle recently myself. It seems to me the only people that make it sound as if they can easily and magically peel off all the fat they’ve gained, are the ones that have never made it to under 10% bodyfat themselves.
Kudos, on your progress. I’m not knocking that. It’s the notion that you can snap your fingers and retain your all of your LBM while you diet down (SO MUCH easier) that I have an issue with. You were arguing with a guy that competed over who has more LBM. It doesn’t make sense to compare until you actually get that lean.
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i think Akhuma is going to learn about this first hand when he competes. I think he started at around 260 and i would bet good money that he will end up around 170ish at single digit competition weight.
that’s a perfect example of what the reality of cutting weight to get really lean is. plus, to get to that 170ish is going to be hell. [/quote]
Without a doubt. Too many people get all caught up in the “I’ll just lose the fat later” momentum, and then when they finally try to, they realize how horrible a bad cut can turn out or even worse, how much fat they really gained in their efforts to bulk up as quick as possible.
[quote]ParagonA wrote:
A verrry fat co-worker once talked so proudly about her big breasts, which, to me, was pretty ridiculous and pissed me off somehow.
I told her that if I were 300 pounds, I’d probably have 20 inch arms.
Think she got it.
Fact is, I don’t have 20 inch arms and probably never will. But then again, I rarely go beyond 10% bodyfat and am 8%ish most of the time. I do bench more than 450 and place decently in the contests I do.
With all due respect, this thread is getting more and more ridiculous.[/quote]
How, because after 2 months and one week of training
I weigh 235.5 lbs
with 19" arms
and can bench 350
Squat 450
and deadlift nearly 550.??
Too bad that within a year, ill have bigger AND LEANER
arms than you will ever have.
I promise I will have lean 20s in a year.
Enjoy. Good luck with your contests.
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Wait wait wait wat… You put 30lbs on your dead and SEVENTY lbs on your bench in a week? Did I miss these vids? There is no way this is legit.
[quote]ParagonA wrote:
A verrry fat co-worker once talked so proudly about her big breasts, which, to me, was pretty ridiculous and pissed me off somehow.
I told her that if I were 300 pounds, I’d probably have 20 inch arms.
Think she got it.
Fact is, I don’t have 20 inch arms and probably never will. But then again, I rarely go beyond 10% bodyfat and am 8%ish most of the time. I do bench more than 450 and place decently in the contests I do.
With all due respect, this thread is getting more and more ridiculous.[/quote]
How, because after 2 months and one week of training
I weigh 235.5 lbs
with 19" arms
and can bench 350
Squat 450
and deadlift nearly 550.??
Too bad that within a year, ill have bigger AND LEANER
arms than you will ever have.
I promise I will have lean 20s in a year.
Enjoy. Good luck with your contests.
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Wait wait wait wat… You put 30lbs on your dead and SEVENTY lbs on your bench in a week? Did I miss these vids? There is no way this is legit.[/quote]
^^^^Haha. He proved the earlier dead but not the 280 bench and now he’s saying he can get a total of 100lbs more on those 2 lifts. I’d like to see vids of that.
