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shit i know your eating that, with the cakes and all lol
A verrry fat co-worker once talked so proudly about her big breasts, which, to me, was pretty ridiculous and pissed me off somehow.
I told her that if I were 300 pounds, I’d probably have 20 inch arms.
Think she got it.
Fact is, I don’t have 20 inch arms and probably never will. But then again, I rarely go beyond 10% bodyfat and am 8%ish most of the time. I do bench more than 450 and place decently in the contests I do.
With all due respect, this thread is getting more and more ridiculous.
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Get on stage first. Then we’ll talk.
Aw snap, NOW the thread’s getting good!
[quote]Am14g08 wrote:
[quote]ParagonA wrote:
Get on stage first. Then we’ll talk.[/quote]
Just checked your profile though, and credit where credit due you look damn good.
However, that doesn’t mean to say that everyone should follow the same chicken breasts and rice mentality. Or even that it is actually optimum to make progress.[/quote]
Gotta say man, I’d like to see some real pics or a real training log.
AmIAGate 
Can’t compare apples to oranges.
You two have different goals.
There.
[quote]Nikki9591 wrote:
AmIAGate
Can’t compare apples to oranges.
You two have different goals.
There.
[/quote]
True.
[quote]Am14g08 wrote:
Going to go to bed in a second… but i’ve got two steaks and 4 pints of milk; one odd chocolate dessert thing and a couple of tablespoons of peanut butter, to chow down first.
I’ve seen lots of bullcrap written around here, but browsing through the archives THIS, old dave-tate article stood out to me:
"There was a time at the Old Westside gym where I couldn’t gain weight to save my ****ing life.
There was this dude who trained there who could just put on weight like ****ing magic. He’d go from 198 to 308 and then to 275 and back down to 198. And he was never fat. It was amazing.
I finally asked him one day how he did it.
“You mean I never told you the secret to gaining weight? Come outside and I’ll fill you in.”
Now remember, we’re at Westside Barbell. And this guy wants to go outside to talk so no one else can hear. Think about that for a minute. What the hell is he going to tell me? This must be some serious **** if we have to go outside, I thought.
So we get outside and he starts talking.
“For breakfast you need to eat four of those breakfast sandwiches from McDonalds. I don’t care which ones you get, but make sure to get four. Order four hash browns, too. Now grab two packs of mayonnaise and put them on the hash browns and then slip them into the sandwiches. Squish that **** down and eat. That’s your breakfast.”
At this point I’m thinking this guy is nuts. But he’s completely serious.
“For lunch you’re gonna eat Chinese food. Now I don’t want you eating that crappy stuff. You wanna get the stuff with MSG. None of that non-MSG bull****. I don’t care what you eat but you have to sit down and eat for at least 45 minutes straight. You can’t let go of the fork. Eat until your eyes swell up and become slits and you start to look like the woman behind the counter.”
“For dinner you’re gonna order an extra-large pizza with everything on it. Literally everything. If you don’t like sardines, don’t put 'em on, but anything else that you like you have to load it on there. After you pay the delivery guy, I want you to take the pie to your coffee table, open that ****er up, and grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that **** over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the **** out of it.”
“Now before you lay into it, I want you to sit on your couch and just stare at that ****er. I want you to understand that that pizza right there is keeping you from your goals.”
This guy is in a zen-like state when he’s talking about this.
“Now you’re on the clock,” he continues. "After 20 minutes your brain is going to tell you you’re full. Don’t listen to that ****. You have to try and eat as much of the pizza as you can before that 20-minute mark. Double up pieces if you have to. I’m telling you now, you’re going to get three or four pieces in and you’re gonna want to quit. You ****ing can’t quit. You have to sit on that couch until every piece is done.
And if you can’t finish it, don’t you ever come back to me and tell me you can’t gain weight. 'Cause I’m gonna tell you that you don’t give a **** about getting bigger and you don’t care how much you lift!"
Did I do it? Hell yeah. Started the next day and did it for two months. Went from 260 pounds to 297 pounds. And I didn’t get much fatter. One of the hardest things I’ve ever done"
I agree…
Lets go all the way…
Ill get some more vids tomorrow.
Weight in clothes and on a full stomach is 245!!!
but will no doubt be far lower w/o clothes and first thing in the morning… but still that’s exciting.
20" burger king arms &
4/5/6
here I come… 1month… all I need is one month.
Later all. Haha, this has sort-of BECOME a traning log.
[/quote]
Tate left the part about the test and the dbols out of his story.
This guy makes some hilarious faces. And jeez, 9 inch wrists? That’s insane, mine are still 6.25, no bigger than when I started 
[quote]DJS wrote:
[quote]Am14g08 wrote:
Going to go to bed in a second… but i’ve got two steaks and 4 pints of milk; one odd chocolate dessert thing and a couple of tablespoons of peanut butter, to chow down first.
I’ve seen lots of bullcrap written around here, but browsing through the archives THIS, old dave-tate article stood out to me:
"There was a time at the Old Westside gym where I couldn’t gain weight to save my ****ing life.
There was this dude who trained there who could just put on weight like ****ing magic. He’d go from 198 to 308 and then to 275 and back down to 198. And he was never fat. It was amazing.
I finally asked him one day how he did it.
“You mean I never told you the secret to gaining weight? Come outside and I’ll fill you in.”
Now remember, we’re at Westside Barbell. And this guy wants to go outside to talk so no one else can hear. Think about that for a minute. What the hell is he going to tell me? This must be some serious **** if we have to go outside, I thought.
So we get outside and he starts talking.
“For breakfast you need to eat four of those breakfast sandwiches from McDonalds. I don’t care which ones you get, but make sure to get four. Order four hash browns, too. Now grab two packs of mayonnaise and put them on the hash browns and then slip them into the sandwiches. Squish that **** down and eat. That’s your breakfast.”
At this point I’m thinking this guy is nuts. But he’s completely serious.
“For lunch you’re gonna eat Chinese food. Now I don’t want you eating that crappy stuff. You wanna get the stuff with MSG. None of that non-MSG bull****. I don’t care what you eat but you have to sit down and eat for at least 45 minutes straight. You can’t let go of the fork. Eat until your eyes swell up and become slits and you start to look like the woman behind the counter.”
“For dinner you’re gonna order an extra-large pizza with everything on it. Literally everything. If you don’t like sardines, don’t put 'em on, but anything else that you like you have to load it on there. After you pay the delivery guy, I want you to take the pie to your coffee table, open that ****er up, and grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that **** over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the **** out of it.”
“Now before you lay into it, I want you to sit on your couch and just stare at that ****er. I want you to understand that that pizza right there is keeping you from your goals.”
This guy is in a zen-like state when he’s talking about this.
“Now you’re on the clock,” he continues. "After 20 minutes your brain is going to tell you you’re full. Don’t listen to that ****. You have to try and eat as much of the pizza as you can before that 20-minute mark. Double up pieces if you have to. I’m telling you now, you’re going to get three or four pieces in and you’re gonna want to quit. You ****ing can’t quit. You have to sit on that couch until every piece is done.
And if you can’t finish it, don’t you ever come back to me and tell me you can’t gain weight. 'Cause I’m gonna tell you that you don’t give a **** about getting bigger and you don’t care how much you lift!"
Did I do it? Hell yeah. Started the next day and did it for two months. Went from 260 pounds to 297 pounds. And I didn’t get much fatter. One of the hardest things I’ve ever done"
I agree…
Lets go all the way…
Ill get some more vids tomorrow.
Weight in clothes and on a full stomach is 245!!!
but will no doubt be far lower w/o clothes and first thing in the morning… but still that’s exciting.
20" burger king arms &
4/5/6
here I come… 1month… all I need is one month.
Later all. Haha, this has sort-of BECOME a traning log.
[/quote]
Tate left the part about the test and the dbols out of his story.[/quote]
And the creatinzz
[quote]Am14g08 wrote:
Going to go to bed in a second… but i’ve got two steaks and 4 pints of milk; one odd chocolate dessert thing and a couple of tablespoons of peanut butter, to chow down first.
I’ve seen lots of bullcrap written around here, but browsing through the archives THIS, old dave-tate article stood out to me:
"There was a time at the Old Westside gym where I couldn’t gain weight to save my ****ing life.
There was this dude who trained there who could just put on weight like ****ing magic. He’d go from 198 to 308 and then to 275 and back down to 198. And he was never fat. It was amazing.
I finally asked him one day how he did it.
“You mean I never told you the secret to gaining weight? Come outside and I’ll fill you in.”
Now remember, we’re at Westside Barbell. And this guy wants to go outside to talk so no one else can hear. Think about that for a minute. What the hell is he going to tell me? This must be some serious **** if we have to go outside, I thought.
So we get outside and he starts talking.
“For breakfast you need to eat four of those breakfast sandwiches from McDonalds. I don’t care which ones you get, but make sure to get four. Order four hash browns, too. Now grab two packs of mayonnaise and put them on the hash browns and then slip them into the sandwiches. Squish that **** down and eat. That’s your breakfast.”
At this point I’m thinking this guy is nuts. But he’s completely serious.
“For lunch you’re gonna eat Chinese food. Now I don’t want you eating that crappy stuff. You wanna get the stuff with MSG. None of that non-MSG bull****. I don’t care what you eat but you have to sit down and eat for at least 45 minutes straight. You can’t let go of the fork. Eat until your eyes swell up and become slits and you start to look like the woman behind the counter.”
“For dinner you’re gonna order an extra-large pizza with everything on it. Literally everything. If you don’t like sardines, don’t put 'em on, but anything else that you like you have to load it on there. After you pay the delivery guy, I want you to take the pie to your coffee table, open that ****er up, and grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that **** over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the **** out of it.”
“Now before you lay into it, I want you to sit on your couch and just stare at that ****er. I want you to understand that that pizza right there is keeping you from your goals.”
This guy is in a zen-like state when he’s talking about this.
“Now you’re on the clock,” he continues. "After 20 minutes your brain is going to tell you you’re full. Don’t listen to that ****. You have to try and eat as much of the pizza as you can before that 20-minute mark. Double up pieces if you have to. I’m telling you now, you’re going to get three or four pieces in and you’re gonna want to quit. You ****ing can’t quit. You have to sit on that couch until every piece is done.
And if you can’t finish it, don’t you ever come back to me and tell me you can’t gain weight. 'Cause I’m gonna tell you that you don’t give a **** about getting bigger and you don’t care how much you lift!"
Did I do it? Hell yeah. Started the next day and did it for two months. Went from 260 pounds to 297 pounds. And I didn’t get much fatter. One of the hardest things I’ve ever done"
I agree…
Lets go all the way…
Ill get some more vids tomorrow.
Weight in clothes and on a full stomach is 245!!!
but will no doubt be far lower w/o clothes and first thing in the morning… but still that’s exciting.
20" burger king arms &
4/5/6
here I come… 1month… all I need is one month.
Later all. Haha, this has sort-of BECOME a traning log.
[/quote]
People always seem to leave out an interesting part of that article
“I ate clean for many years and my body-fat stayed under 10 percent till I reached 260 pounds. When I tried to break that I ran into problems. I tried to bulk clean with more chicken and rice and I was eating close to 6,000 calories per day. Doing that clean was a bitch. It was almost impossible. I could do it for one day but then it’d drop off to 3000 calories for the next two. So I had to add junk food until the only healthy thing I had left was the lettuce on my Big Mac.”
He wasn’t bulking with fast food the whole way, just to push to the next next level
[quote]thogue wrote:
[quote]Am14g08 wrote:
Going to go to bed in a second… but i’ve got two steaks and 4 pints of milk; one odd chocolate dessert thing and a couple of tablespoons of peanut butter, to chow down first.
I’ve seen lots of bullcrap written around here, but browsing through the archives THIS, old dave-tate article stood out to me:
"There was a time at the Old Westside gym where I couldn’t gain weight to save my ****ing life.
There was this dude who trained there who could just put on weight like ****ing magic. He’d go from 198 to 308 and then to 275 and back down to 198. And he was never fat. It was amazing.
I finally asked him one day how he did it.
“You mean I never told you the secret to gaining weight? Come outside and I’ll fill you in.”
Now remember, we’re at Westside Barbell. And this guy wants to go outside to talk so no one else can hear. Think about that for a minute. What the hell is he going to tell me? This must be some serious **** if we have to go outside, I thought.
So we get outside and he starts talking.
“For breakfast you need to eat four of those breakfast sandwiches from McDonalds. I don’t care which ones you get, but make sure to get four. Order four hash browns, too. Now grab two packs of mayonnaise and put them on the hash browns and then slip them into the sandwiches. Squish that **** down and eat. That’s your breakfast.”
At this point I’m thinking this guy is nuts. But he’s completely serious.
“For lunch you’re gonna eat Chinese food. Now I don’t want you eating that crappy stuff. You wanna get the stuff with MSG. None of that non-MSG bull****. I don’t care what you eat but you have to sit down and eat for at least 45 minutes straight. You can’t let go of the fork. Eat until your eyes swell up and become slits and you start to look like the woman behind the counter.”
“For dinner you’re gonna order an extra-large pizza with everything on it. Literally everything. If you don’t like sardines, don’t put 'em on, but anything else that you like you have to load it on there. After you pay the delivery guy, I want you to take the pie to your coffee table, open that ****er up, and grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that **** over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the **** out of it.”
“Now before you lay into it, I want you to sit on your couch and just stare at that ****er. I want you to understand that that pizza right there is keeping you from your goals.”
This guy is in a zen-like state when he’s talking about this.
“Now you’re on the clock,” he continues. "After 20 minutes your brain is going to tell you you’re full. Don’t listen to that ****. You have to try and eat as much of the pizza as you can before that 20-minute mark. Double up pieces if you have to. I’m telling you now, you’re going to get three or four pieces in and you’re gonna want to quit. You ****ing can’t quit. You have to sit on that couch until every piece is done.
And if you can’t finish it, don’t you ever come back to me and tell me you can’t gain weight. 'Cause I’m gonna tell you that you don’t give a **** about getting bigger and you don’t care how much you lift!"
Did I do it? Hell yeah. Started the next day and did it for two months. Went from 260 pounds to 297 pounds. And I didn’t get much fatter. One of the hardest things I’ve ever done"
I agree…
Lets go all the way…
Ill get some more vids tomorrow.
Weight in clothes and on a full stomach is 245!!!
but will no doubt be far lower w/o clothes and first thing in the morning… but still that’s exciting.
20" burger king arms &
4/5/6
here I come… 1month… all I need is one month.
Later all. Haha, this has sort-of BECOME a traning log.
[/quote]
People always seem to leave out an interesting part of that article
“I ate clean for many years and my body-fat stayed under 10 percent till I reached 260 pounds. When I tried to break that I ran into problems. I tried to bulk clean with more chicken and rice and I was eating close to 6,000 calories per day. Doing that clean was a bitch. It was almost impossible. I could do it for one day but then it’d drop off to 3000 calories for the next two. So I had to add junk food until the only healthy thing I had left was the lettuce on my Big Mac.”
He wasn’t bulking with fast food the whole way, just to push to the next next level
[/quote]
Yup.
OP, are you 260 at 10 percent?
You can’t just read something someone else did, go do exactly that, and expect to get the same results.
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Fat is easier to lose, and it is something that anyone gains when eating an excess of calories with the goal of adding as much MUSCLE as possible. The way your currently eating not only is not the best way to add the most amount of muscle, but will result in a disproportionate gain in fat, not to mention the adverse effects it will have on your general health and wellness.
Just because the tape measure is increasing or the number on the scale is going up, really does not mean at all that the weight you’re gaining is good. Look in the mirror, take some proper pics, those will help you judge progress better than anything.
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
The way your currently eating not only is not the best way to add the most amount of muscle, but will result in a disproportionate gain in fat, not to mention the adverse effects it will have on your general health and wellness. [/quote]
There is no way on Earth you can make a blanket statement like this. Everyone isn’t made the same and unless you are following his progress very closely and making this statement after seeing a negative result, you are making shit up.
This guy is a beginner at this and getting those calories in is the most important factor next to weight lifting at that stage. he will likely make more progress than any of you afraid to eat more based on what you THINK may happen.
He said he cut out the empty calories pages back (in reference to him eating cake). Unless you have a crystal ball, you might do well to not think in such a confined box.
The guys who will stand out are not average.
This fucker has 9" wrists and you think he needs to eat like you?
Mine are 8", and while I put little stock in the significance of a wrist measurements, the bottom line is it sounds like he was built to be huge. He shouldn’t be eating like someone who took 10 years or more just to get their arms to 18" or less.
In other words, watch and see. Quit the future tense pseudo-scientific bullshit on what you think most people can or can’t do.
Prof X, what do you consider not average? You continuously say that everyone here is average, so what is not average?
I’m not saying he can or can’t do anything. He can do whatever he wants to. He claims to be a beginner. I am all for beginners eating a ton of calories, in fact, I think it is the best thing they can do.
When did I ever say he should eat like me? And how do you even know how I eat?
I believe the best thing a beginner should do is eat, but I also believe there needs to be limits and checks/balances that one does to make sure they are making real progress vs. not.
[quote]Am14g08 wrote:
No … but you all don’t seem to understand that fat is SO MUCH easier to lose, than lean mass is to gain.
[/quote]
I’ve read this same general statement over and over again over on this site for the last 2 years and actually believed it. That is, until I tried losing losing the fat without losing muscle recently myself. It seems to me the only people that make it sound as if they can easily and magically peel off all the fat they’ve gained, are the ones that have never made it to under 10% bodyfat themselves.
Kudos, on your progress. I’m not knocking that. It’s the notion that you can snap your fingers and retain your all of your LBM while you diet down (SO MUCH easier) that I have an issue with. You were arguing with a guy that competed over who has more LBM. It doesn’t make sense to compare until you actually get that lean.