I’m glad today,s an off day because I developed creeping global systemic fatigue reading through this thread.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
brancron wrote:
DoubleDuce…more like DoubleDouche.
Nice Roadhouse reference dude! ; )[/quote]
Oh, and actually the nickname came from a friend who got drunk and started calling me that for no apparent reason. I kept it for the road house reference.
[quote]trextacy wrote:
I have played a lot of sports and my weight has been all over the place depending on the goal. As for bodybuilding, I find that the “professional” look is not as appealing as the powerful look. By it’s nature it is a build up to a specific moment in time (the stage) and while we marvel at the end result it doesn’t seem logical to aspire to that b/c it isn’t maitained but for 24 hours. As a hobbyist/non-professional that’s my choice.
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So what do you think the pro’s (or the vast majority of bodybuilders in general) look like during the off-season ? You just proved that you have absolutely no clue about bodybuilding.
Training puts the size on. The contest shape is merely a result of dieting down and being dehydrated to some extent, and very obviously the application of the most foul substance known to man: Dream Tan.
Whoever implied that training like a pro gets you into contest shape ?
We said training like them gets you big.
You need the size in order to look powerful, and while non of us will ever carry as much lbm as ronnie does now, we already do carry more than he did when winning his first show, if I’m not mistaken.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
trextacy wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
trextacy wrote:
Re-read my posts about all the guys other than Waterbury that I’m referring to:
Brian Haycock
Joel Marion
Thibaudeau (read yesterday’s article, dumbass)
Starr
Rippetoe
Cosgrove
By the way, for body comp Poliquin uses his German Body Comp program, which is, you guessed, 3x per week full body.
Read Dr. Leistner’s “Sensible Training” article.
Read the article I posted twice already in this thread.
Get a clue.
Joel Marion- uses split training for adding size
Thibaudeau- recommends split training for adding size in the non-beginner
Starr- doesnt train BODYBUILDERS
Rippetoe- doesnt train BODYBUILDERS
Cosgrove- doesnt train BODYBUILDERS
Poliquin- uses split training for adding size AND athletic development.
Less time reading and more time understanding.
Just to be fair here, how long have you been training and how much do you weigh?
I’ve answered this twice already. More reading, less flaming. Marion’s program, Stripped Down Hypertrophy, is a hypertrophy plan.
To be a bodybuilder, you have to get strong and muscular. It is a long haul. Following a Starr, Rippetoe of Cosgrove protocol to add muscle through the intermediate stages is appropriate.
If you want to bring Poliquin into this that’s fine. I’ve had my biosig done by one of his top students. Professor X hates Poliquin of course. Poliquin would put his top level athletes on a split because they are top level. Again, that’s what I’ve said from the start.
What about Brian Haycock?
What about Thibs program from yesterday? The program is about adding muscle. It didn’t look like a beginner routine to me?
Also, re-read the roundtable on the topic-- Thibs sees both as having a place.
I can read and do. Trust me, I’m doing and working toward my goals. I probably have the fewest posts of anyone who has posted more than once in this thread, so I hardly need a lecture on how to spend my valuable time.
Unlike my brother and training partner (who posts more than I do, fwiw), I would not post pics for the same reasons that X mentioned before. I don’t need the criticism because I alread know what “needs work” (everything) and I don’t need to do that for message board street cred.
I have played a lot of sports and my weight has been all over the place depending on the goal. As for bodybuilding, I find that the “professional” look is not as appealing as the powerful look. By it’s nature it is a build up to a specific moment in time (the stage) and while we marvel at the end result it doesn’t seem logical to aspire to that b/c it isn’t maitained but for 24 hours. As a hobbyist/non-professional that’s my choice.
He asked you for STATS, not some expanded spiel on why you won’t post pictures. I have no problem posting pictures here. I just won’t LEAVE them up in public because this site gets thousands of hits a day. they are still in my profile like they always have been.
Also, you are now adding “liar” to your resume. I have no personal problem with Poliquin aside from some of the outrageous statements he makes…just like Waterbury. Unlike Waterbury, however, he hasn’t thrown a tantrum when questioned on his “bodybuilders can’t climb stairs” comment. They are trying to sell something. They don’t give a shit about you personally and never did. Like everyone else, they have bills to pay and 25 year old phys ed coeds to pay rent for.[/quote]
What stats do you want? I gave my height/weight? I’m currently around 10% bf. I don’t max out but my bench is probably around 285 and my dead somewhere between 350-380. I prefer the front squat to the back squat but prefer higher reps for legs so I couldn’t hazard a guess on that.
If I recall, you don’t dead or squat, so your sudden interest in STATS is curious.
But, this isn’t about ME personally. I don’t get why everyone feels the need to gang up rather than address the substance.
Waterbury said bbers can’t climb stairs. That was about it all it took for you for him, if I recall (I can use the search function). Waterbury has never made a dime off me, and I really would only use a program of his like 25 method or MRT if I get crushed at work or have family obligations in the future that make a time efficient program like that a good choice.
As for Poliquin, he advocates staying relatively lean-- since he believes that going above the 10-12% range is pointless and hormonally counterproductive. You disagree with him. Of course, you are careful not to slam him too hard by name, so you rail on his concepts (not by name) and his followers (laroyal comes to mind) instead.
I won’t say Poliquin hasn’t made money off me, because I’ve purchased some supplements off his site.
So, are you ready to address the points in my post or do you want to make some more personal attacks?
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
trextacy wrote:
I have played a lot of sports and my weight has been all over the place depending on the goal. As for bodybuilding, I find that the “professional” look is not as appealing as the powerful look. By it’s nature it is a build up to a specific moment in time (the stage) and while we marvel at the end result it doesn’t seem logical to aspire to that b/c it isn’t maitained but for 24 hours. As a hobbyist/non-professional that’s my choice.
So what do you think the pro’s (or the vast majority of bodybuilders in general) look like during the off-season ? You just proved that you have absolutely no clue about bodybuilding.
Training puts the size on. The contest shape is merely a result of dieting down and being dehydrated to some extent, and very obviously the application of the most foul substance known to man: Dream Tan.
Whoever implied that training like a pro gets you into contest shape ?
We said training like them gets you big.
You need the size in order to look powerful, and while non of us will ever carry as much lbm as ronnie does now, we already do carry more than he did when winning his first show, if I’m not mistaken.
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I know about bodybuilding (not the most or even more than you necessarily, but I ain’t clueless). Most of them look like shit in the offseason. (Yes, gasp, you can be big and look shitty…“big” and “good” are not synonymous).
Training + Drugs+ food+ rest “puts the size on”.
Please try to understand this-- pointing to pro BBers as the case-close end-all for these debates w/o acknowledging the drug use is a non-starter. Once that factor is introduced, all bets are off.
This is a discussion about natural training.
[quote]trextacy wrote:
Training + Drugs+ food+ rest “puts the size on”.
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You just kicked yourself out of this discussion. Thank you.
[quote]trextacy wrote:
This is a discussion about natural training.[/quote]
I’ve been bringing that up for about three pages now.
It only makes the “split training equals much more progress, especially long term” more concrete.
[quote]derek wrote:
trextacy wrote:
This is a discussion about natural training.
I’ve been bringing that up for about three pages now.
It only makes the “split training equals much more progress, especially long term” more concrete.[/quote]
His post was so stupid on so many levels, it’s just too much.
I’m going to go eat something big now.
Read you guys later…
[quote]trextacy wrote:
What stats do you want? I gave my height/weight? I’m currently around 10% bf. I don’t max out but my bench is probably around 285 and my dead somewhere between 350-380. I prefer the front squat to the back squat but prefer higher reps for legs so I couldn’t hazard a guess on that.
If I recall, you don’t dead or squat, so your sudden interest in STATS is curious.[/quote]
I’m sorry, but where have I EVER written that I don’t squat?
Like I said, you are either a liar, or you really are that clueless.
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But, this isn’t about ME personally. I don’t get why everyone feels the need to gang up rather than address the substance.[/quote]
Because that “substance” is being presented by someone who has little in the way of real world experience when it comes to what actually works long term to put on the most size. We are tired of discussing theory with little beanpoles who think because they read an article they have it all figured out.
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Waterbury said bbers can’t climb stairs. That was about it all it took for you for him, if I recall (I can use the search function). Waterbury has never made a dime off me, and I really would only use a program of his like 25 method or MRT if I get crushed at work or have family obligations in the future that make a time efficient program like that a good choice.
As for Poliquin, he advocates staying relatively lean-- since he believes that going above the 10-12% range is pointless and hormonally counterproductive. You disagree with him. Of course, you are careful not to slam him too hard by name, so you rail on his concepts (not by name) and his followers (laroyal comes to mind) instead.
I won’t say Poliquin hasn’t made money off me, because I’ve purchased some supplements off his site.
So, are you ready to address the points in my post or do you want to make some more personal attacks?[/quote]
I could care less what Poliquin thinks about staying in a 10-12% body fat range. I think this way because I gained over 100lbs of lean body mass by NOT doing this.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
trextacy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
trextacy wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
trextacy wrote:
Re-read my posts about all the guys other than Waterbury that I’m referring to:
Brian Haycock
Joel Marion
Thibaudeau (read yesterday’s article, dumbass)
Starr
Rippetoe
Cosgrove
By the way, for body comp Poliquin uses his German Body Comp program, which is, you guessed, 3x per week full body.
Read Dr. Leistner’s “Sensible Training” article.
Read the article I posted twice already in this thread.
Get a clue.
Joel Marion- uses split training for adding size
Thibaudeau- recommends split training for adding size in the non-beginner
Starr- doesnt train BODYBUILDERS
Rippetoe- doesnt train BODYBUILDERS
Cosgrove- doesnt train BODYBUILDERS
Poliquin- uses split training for adding size AND athletic development.
Less time reading and more time understanding.
Just to be fair here, how long have you been training and how much do you weigh?
I’ve answered this twice already. More reading, less flaming. Marion’s program, Stripped Down Hypertrophy, is a hypertrophy plan.
To be a bodybuilder, you have to get strong and muscular. It is a long haul. Following a Starr, Rippetoe of Cosgrove protocol to add muscle through the intermediate stages is appropriate.
If you want to bring Poliquin into this that’s fine. I’ve had my biosig done by one of his top students. Professor X hates Poliquin of course. Poliquin would put his top level athletes on a split because they are top level. Again, that’s what I’ve said from the start.
What about Brian Haycock?
What about Thibs program from yesterday? The program is about adding muscle. It didn’t look like a beginner routine to me?
Also, re-read the roundtable on the topic-- Thibs sees both as having a place.
I can read and do. Trust me, I’m doing and working toward my goals. I probably have the fewest posts of anyone who has posted more than once in this thread, so I hardly need a lecture on how to spend my valuable time.
Unlike my brother and training partner (who posts more than I do, fwiw), I would not post pics for the same reasons that X mentioned before. I don’t need the criticism because I alread know what “needs work” (everything) and I don’t need to do that for message board street cred.
I have played a lot of sports and my weight has been all over the place depending on the goal. As for bodybuilding, I find that the “professional” look is not as appealing as the powerful look. By it’s nature it is a build up to a specific moment in time (the stage) and while we marvel at the end result it doesn’t seem logical to aspire to that b/c it isn’t maitained but for 24 hours. As a hobbyist/non-professional that’s my choice.
He asked you for STATS, not some expanded spiel on why you won’t post pictures. I have no problem posting pictures here. I just won’t LEAVE them up in public because this site gets thousands of hits a day. they are still in my profile like they always have been.
Also, you are now adding “liar” to your resume. I have no personal problem with Poliquin aside from some of the outrageous statements he makes…just like Waterbury. Unlike Waterbury, however, he hasn’t thrown a tantrum when questioned on his “bodybuilders can’t climb stairs” comment. They are trying to sell something. They don’t give a shit about you personally and never did. Like everyone else, they have bills to pay and 25 year old phys ed coeds to pay rent for.
What stats do you want? I gave my height/weight? I’m currently around 10% bf. I don’t max out but my bench is probably around 285 and my dead somewhere between 350-380. I prefer the front squat to the back squat but prefer higher reps for legs so I couldn’t hazard a guess on that.
If I recall, you don’t dead or squat, so your sudden interest in STATS is curious.
But, this isn’t about ME personally. I don’t get why everyone feels the need to gang up rather than address the substance.
Waterbury said bbers can’t climb stairs. That was about it all it took for you for him, if I recall (I can use the search function). Waterbury has never made a dime off me, and I really would only use a program of his like 25 method or MRT if I get crushed at work or have family obligations in the future that make a time efficient program like that a good choice.
As for Poliquin, he advocates staying relatively lean-- since he believes that going above the 10-12% range is pointless and hormonally counterproductive. You disagree with him. Of course, you are careful not to slam him too hard by name, so you rail on his concepts (not by name) and his followers (laroyal comes to mind) instead.
I won’t say Poliquin hasn’t made money off me, because I’ve purchased some supplements off his site.
So, are you ready to address the points in my post or do you want to make some more personal attacks?
You talk way, WAY too much to be a serious strength trainer. Go back under the bridge.
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I’ll say it again: This guy NEEDS a 6 day split and very HIGH VOLUME that keeps him off the computer…
AAAAAHAHAHAHA SOMEONE JUST POSTED THIS IN THE DOGG POUND OVER AT IM, THE SKINNY OVERANALYZING TBT PEOPLE ARE EVERYWHERE ! HELP!
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
pete89
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dc fullbody
i know this idea may seam weird so before i ask lets go over the basics of dc.
1 set rest pause for each muscle group (accept legs and back thickeness).
with the alternate A and B workouts. you hit each muscle with 1 set rest pause every 4 or 5 days.
now that we got that. lets just say you cannot go to the gym 3x a week. but training once every 4 and 5 or only every 5 days is possible.
if you were to do the 1 set of every exercise (all of A and all of B) in one workout, and then no training until 4/5 days later repeat but with the 2nd exercise out of the 3 you choose and repeat.
this way the training stimulus for each muscle is the same as if you trained MON/WED/FRI
so now the only differnce is the actual frequency of gym training days. every 4-5 days you do DC with more overall volume but than again you have more days of rest.
do you guys think is program will have similar results as the typical monday wed friday split?
obviously training 3 times a week is for a reason, but if you cant what do you think of this?
AAAAAHAHAHAHA SOMEONE JUST POSTED THIS IN THE DOGG POUND OVER AT IM, THE SKINNY OVERANALYZING TBT PEOPLE ARE EVERYWHERE ! HELP!
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He’s asking a question. The horror. It is awesome how you apparently just go back and forth to different forums to make fun of people and feel superior. The cherry on top is the irony of you telling people to stop analyzing when you probably post on these sites more than me and that other guy combined.
Man i work in the afternoon, and now i am still reading page 15, i must say i am lol, But i think in one answer tbt people that are REALY HUGE: Mariuz Pudzanovski, and other strongmans that he beats the crap every WSM.
[quote]ricardowesley wrote:
Man i work in the afternoon, and now i am still reading page 15, i must say i am lol, But i think in one answer tbt people that are REALY HUGE: Mariuz Pudzanovski, and other strongmans that he beats the crap every WSM.[/quote]
Dude, but did he GET THAT WAY (huge) training fullbody his entire life or maybe, just maybe he started TBT to train for strongman?
It was a joke, but i make a question: Split or TBT or Westside, for STRENGTH gains?
[quote]ricardowesley wrote:
It was a joke, but i make a question: Split or TBT or Westside, for STRENGTH gains? [/quote]
Oh, I couldn’t tell it was a joke!
Westside = split.
Great for strength… but this is supposed to be a bodybuilding forum even though I helped get it off topic.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
SkyNett wrote:
brancron wrote:
DoubleDuce…more like DoubleDouche.
Nice Roadhouse reference dude! ; )
Oh, and actually the nickname came from a friend who got drunk and started calling me that for no apparent reason. I kept it for the road house reference.[/quote]
I have honestly never seen Road House, what a coincidence!
trextacy, are you in fact a “troll pondering its age”? (Theodor Kittelsen, 1911)
I ask because you seem to insist on being rather tard-worthy in all your posts. Even if we were (falsely) to accept your claim that the training methods of steroid-using pro BBs should not be emulated, you must confront the fact that most drug-free lifters here and everywhere have made/are making their best gains with some type of split training (myself and every lifter I know included).
I’m a 176cm 81kg student, and think splits are the best…
…see how pointless that post is?
I’ve never trained myself up to a remotely impressive weight (by the standards of this website - which is the entire point); nor have I trained others to do so.
I have no interest in doing so.
But that’s why I don’t post my opinions on this. Without self experience, I can’t rationalise all the info being thrown at me from these articles. I can have an opinion, sure, but to push it when someone of a bodybuilding background disagrees with me is stupid.
When I’m doing assignments for my medical degree, I don’t take advice from my law friends on subject matter. 999/1000 they are wrong.
There may one day be an exception.
You are not that exception.
And if you were, the people with the body of knowledge would be able to recognise that, just like I would with that one friend.
You are not being recognised.
Is it me or does it seem like when one of these TBT fanboys gets killed off in this thread,another one pops up instantly?