[quote]fisch wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Couple thoughts: 1) frequency is a must when reeducating the body, I do certain things as part of my warm-up every day I am in the gym and it is perfect–also much easier because I know I wouldn’t do them at the end lol. and 2) a Proper overhead squat is done with a torso angle nearly identical to the upright one of a front squat. I’m not a doc so I can’t really help with that, but I would look into that possibility.
Definitely do exercises you feel most, but also try to use the trap 3 raises AFTER you have fatigued the mid back with something you feel, and use band pull-aparts in the same manner–after an exercise you really feel, no rest. Also how you do them is very important–are you on an incline bench?
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I realized that not too long ago. For a while I was brainwashed into thinking doing a certain movement or hitting the same muscle 4-5 times a week was over-training and impractical. Not a good mindset for things like these. Plus I always worried about fatiguing myself for my “important” lifts if I warmed up like that. Again, bad thought. I need to start using a better warm up anyway, so why not some serratus/low trap work. For warm ups, do you try to progress at all? Or just do a weight you know you can get and do a few sets just trying to contract the muscle and feel it work?
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Understood. I know how certain movements feel to my joint better then a doctor ever could (not a knock on doc’s cause the guy I worked with I respect a great deal) and I believe it wouldn’t be an issue because of the torso angle.
I tried using the trap 3 raises on an incline bench, standing at a cable station, and also bentover with my only my head resting on the top of the incline bench (standing, waist bent 60-70ish degrees with head resting on the bench). All of them just felt like the front of my shoulder was doing the work. From thinking about the movement itself and what the anterior delts do, that seems logical to me. I’m honestly still at a loss for understanding how the low traps are supposed to be taking the workload (especially in this movement), I’ve never felt them do that.
I feel like I’m turning your thread into a shoulder/back rehab/prehab answer session. I appreciate all the information and am taking notes, but damn I don’t like feeling like I’m turning this thread into something it wasn’t supposed to be.[/quote]
No problem mate. I’ll keep answering whatever kind of questions people pose to me rehab or not :).
- For my warm-up, yes I do try to progress–but NEVER at the cost of anything other than perfect form and feeling. That’s why it’s a warm-up! It’s not supposed to be near your limits, but it’s important to bring up your “base camp” readiness level too. It is by far more important to feel the muscles working just “so” in the warm-up and build mental connection with them than it is to progress in weight. If that thought enters your mind you will be screwed because you’ll start to treat it as part of your “workout”. It is body maintenance and tune-up. The whole point is to be fast paced, activating, getting the blood pumping and the mind ready to do the real work…not actually doing tons of hard work while cold.
Feeling it work is most important, no matter if that means you go 10 second slow reps or what. If you can’t feel something work, you have no way of knowing how to improve or when it is weak or strong.
- Sounds to me like you are both shoulder dominant, and overtight, and have weak rear delts to boot. Just like mobility is dependent on the ability of the soft tissue to stretch properly, so to is activation of muscles. So if your anterior delts are overtight, they will be one of the very first things you feel, and if they’re both relatively stronger than everything else AND overtight, you’ll never feel anything EXCEPT your front delts.
Ok, try this. Try adding the wall slide that I mentioned earlier from Eric Cressey in with a pause/hold each rep. Then, no rest, do seated facepulls from a lat pulldown machine, but use a lat bar instead of the rope–will explain below after the circuit. Do this before your workouts as part of your warm-up along with serratus work and all the other good stuff. Then do a circuit as follows during the actual workout:
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Row variation you feel in your lower mid-back (as opposed to upper traps) very well. Pause/hold each rep for 3 count focusing solely on the mid back and low traps that you feel. Form must be tight and beyond all else you must always be able to feel the mid/low traps really well.
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Without rest, move back to the Eric Cressey wall slide thing (can’t remember the original name, hopefully you can find it on his site or youtube but I’ll try to find it). Same thing–slooooowly execute the pull backwards and hold/squeeze for 3 seconds.
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Without rest, move to an incline bench as if doing trap raises. Set it very low on the incline, just make sure your hands aren’t brushing the ground when you’re sitting on it. Instead of doing trap raises, do “I-raises” (explained below). Hold the contracted position for a 3 count or as long as you can if less.
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Without rest, Rear delt flyes on the incline bench, no holding, that’s impossible. Big wide wingspan.
REST 2 minutes.
IF you can do them properly–and test them when you’re fresh to make sure way before you start this circuit–broomstick overhead squats will go after #4 and before #5. You can use a wall just like for wall squat drills. Stance must be front squat stance, no cheating wide. If not, don’t use the OH squat.
Next post–exercise description…