[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
its_just_me - i dont mind people posting things in my thread… but when 2-3 full pages are not on topic but just random BS it tends to make the search function useless and my thread useless…
in general what’s an acceptable ratio to gain muscle vs fat when bulking… i know every one is different but what is a “ok” ratio?[/quote]
How about you actually read the thread instead of complaining about it. There are no specifics and this has been answered already.[/quote]
i have read the thread… the only thing mentioned was a 50-50 and said it was pretty good… is that meaning that 25-muscle to 75-fat is horrible…
PX- the only thing i get from most of your posts in my thread is that you dont like to educate but rather enlighten people of their own ignorance. not everyone you talk to is going to be as educated as you in certain fields… thats just like you asking me about welding, fabrication, or racing and me expecting you to understand things your not experienced in or much less understand most of the jargon that goes with it… there are so many lies and “crap” out about lifting and body building its rediculous… being that there are so many philosophies and that everyones body is different makes for a rather large uneducated audience cause it seems the only thing you can rely on is your own information, logs, and experience.
i’m not trying to get on a bad side here but thats where i’m coming from… /rant[/quote]
Mutherfucker please. The majority of the big guys on this forum are trying to get guys like you to STOP making this so damn complicated.
Most of you don’t know ground one about your own basic biology but for some strange reason believe you can graph out your gains so specifically as to PREDICT exactly how much fat you plan to gain.
That is where you make your first mistake. There are too many biological variables to get into this thinking you can somehow cause your body to grow according to a graph and your own calendar.
If you were ADVANCED and simply trying to tweak the last few variables to affect how you look on stage, THEN it would make more sense…but you have newbies here acting like their first 20lbs of newbie gains requires a scientific calculator, 5 “guru” books and a fucking tutor.
That is why your question makes no sense and shows you really don’t understand what you are getting into.
Mind you, we’ve already said that in this thread…which I stated before your rant.
You are looking for specifics where there are none.[/quote]
lol… you’re killing me… i’ve never once acted like I know what i’m doing… i’m just asking some casual basics and you in turn resort to putting the “dunce hat” back on me…
if at my beginner/novice level all there is to do is eat big and lift hard and sort out the fat later that would have been sufice…
i guess i’m done with this thead… lol[/quote]
Where did “eating big” become a matter of eating indiscriminately. We now have people on this board who weigh a buck-fifty wondering why they got fat from eating 4,000 to 5,000 calories!
As I said in the most recent thread on on pyramid training and ramping, I am now fucking amazed that more experienced people have to explain the most basic shit in nutrition and lifting.
ANYONE with half a brain and 7th grade math skills and who has read the most elementary literature on nutrition and fitness can understand how to warm up for an exercise or write a damn diet! There are THOUSANDS of articles on how to calculate a diet, yet we still have people who pick arbitrary numbers for calories and protein and say, “I eat high protein: 400 grams! I eat high-calorie: 5,000 calories!” Meanwhile this person weighs 150 to 170 pounds and can’t figure out why he’s getting at. Did he ever stop and think, “I got those figures from a guy who’s fucking huge, trains 5 times per week, and trains with enormous poundages and volumes!”
You know, I had this intellectual reasoning before I started training. And when I did start training, I didn’t look at an issue of Flex, see that Mike Francois ate 10,000 calories in his prime, and then follow his damn diet. I’ve been reading shit recreationally and academically for over 10 years and I’ve at least TRIED to apply and HAVE applied what I’ve read. If I couldn’t figure out how to apply it, I went to someone else for help with at least a basic understanding of how this works.
I admit I might be acting like a total fuckhead here and in some other posts. Really, I’m just a nice, humane person who really doesn’t want to pick on others. I, myself, am a complete incompetent jerkoff in some areas. I’m not a handyman and I don’t understand finance. I can’t even accurately define what the GDP is. However, as I said in another thread, I’m still fucking amazed that people on here can’t use a god-damned search engine, Google, a library card, or a few bucks for some mags and books, read a little, and then apply what they read. They say shit like, “I read Berardi’s Massive Eating articles,” and then post a diet that doesn’t even remotely depict that they read the articles or bothered trying to apply the information.
And AGAIN, as I said in another thread, we actually have to go over basic arithmetic to convey to people how to “ramp up”. I knew how to ramp up at 17, after reading ONE article by Bill Starr and watching Dorian’s video. It’s a good thing that at 17, I didn’t read Dorian’s book, start a diet with 6,000 calories and 750 grams of carbs and then wonder, “I eat big like he says, but I’m all fat now!” 
I didn’t, because he gave clear instructions on how to put together a diet and said that what works for him might not work for me and I LISTENED! PAID ATTENTION!
Then you got jerkoffs who quit what they’re doing even when things are WORKING! Some schmuck quit the Rapid Fat Loss diet after losing NINE fucking pounds of weight in 2 weeks! How successful: quitting a diet when it’s clearly working. And working GOOD!
I sometimes wonder if people really like being self-defeatist, masochistic, or analytical to the point of being incapable of action. Are they fearful? Could be. They actually might fear getting off this fucking computer and getting in the gym. I also think they might actually get a kick out of all the shit they stir up.
I have a manual on Westside training that Jim Wendler wrote. For max effort work, he prescribes starting with the bar and warming up by adding 10% of your max on every passing set. How god-damned hard is it to understand shit like this?!
For a 300 pound 1-rep max, it looks like this:
Bar
75
105
135
165
195
225
255
285
300
Very, very, VERY hard to figure out this shit! I’m surprised I didn’t send Jim several dozen emails over the course of a few weeks until I got in the gym to try max effort work!
Very helpful. It’s made me realise the importance of longer term bulking and not being too scared of going up to a certain level again. I have bulked up to about 20% bf before (210lbs+) and it kind of scared me lol. So I spent ages going forwards and then backwards very slowly adding a bit of muscle and loosing fat (the heavy bulk put me off). I’ve managed to get to a lean 200lbs ish, but like you said would happen with the cycling between bulking and cutting, I’ve not made any brilliant progress since (I have made some, but it’s mainly composition wise). I’m looking forward to another growth spurt now though!