Anyone Tried CW's TBT Workout?

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[quote]Squelchy wrote:
Mr.Purple wrote:
This TBT vs Splits debate has been beat into the ground, so I’m not getting into it. Suffice to say that I don’t agree that most here are unwilling to listen to ANYONE who put on 50 lbs of muscle. On the topic of health and wellness or general fitness, I think a new sub-forum should be opened for that. All posts in this forum should pertain to bodybuilding and all aspects of it. It’s not unreasonable to ask that a forum titled ‘Bodybuilding’ should stick to discussion of… bodybuilding. Why should we care what 99% (or whatever) of the population cares about? WE care about bodybuilding.

I agree, but you know what? There is more than one way to bodybuild, and TBT is a completely valid way of putting on muscle (putting on muscle is what bodybuilding is, right?).

The problem with this forum is that anybody who’s not 280lbs gets shouted down. Fair enough, you reach that size then damn right people should listen to what you have to say. But if someone has put on 50-70lbs of muscle in the space of two years and tripled or quadrupled their strength, then surely that qualifies them well enough to give advice on how they reached that level of development? They may not be qualified to talk about how they put on 120lbs of muscle, sure, but they’re just as right in talking about how they put on their first 50-70lbs as the 280lb guy is talking about how he put on his first 50-70lbs.

The problem with people here is that they think it’s an all or nothing proposition, which it’s not. It’s like if you’re at a certain weight/strength level then what you say is the Word of God, but anything below that point and your opinion on anything is meaningless, which is absolutely ridiculous.[/quote]

Who the FUCK has gained 70lbs of muscle on this site using TBT?

Please, name them.

Also, please do not pick someone who gained 5 inches in height over that time period.

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[quote]Squelchy wrote:

I agree, but you know what? There is more than one way to bodybuild, and TBT is a completely valid way of putting on muscle (putting on muscle is what bodybuilding is, right?).

The problem with this forum is that anybody who’s not 280lbs gets shouted down. Fair enough, you reach that size then damn right people should listen to what you have to say. But if someone has put on 50-70lbs of muscle in the space of two years and tripled or quadrupled their strength, then surely that qualifies them well enough to give advice on how they reached that level of development? They may not be qualified to talk about how they put on 120lbs of muscle, sure, but they’re just as right in talking about how they put on their first 50-70lbs as the 280lb guy is talking about how he put on his first 50-70lbs.

The problem with people here is that they think it’s an all or nothing proposition, which it’s not. It’s like if you’re at a certain weight/strength level then what you say is the Word of God, but anything below that point and your opinion on anything is meaningless, which is absolutely ridiculous.[/quote]

The problem on this forum is not that there is an overabundance of people who have put on 50-70 lbs, that are being shouted down by 280 lb guys. I mean, come on… there are a lot of intermediates here that get treated very well, and the few 250+ guys we have here give their advice freely. I don’t see them shouting down people at all, and totally disagree with your perception of this forum. If anyone less than 250 lbs get “shouted down”, then there wouldn’t be but 5 guys posting here.

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[quote]Mr.Purple wrote:
Squelchy wrote:

I agree, but you know what? There is more than one way to bodybuild, and TBT is a completely valid way of putting on muscle (putting on muscle is what bodybuilding is, right?).

The problem with this forum is that anybody who’s not 280lbs gets shouted down. Fair enough, you reach that size then damn right people should listen to what you have to say. But if someone has put on 50-70lbs of muscle in the space of two years and tripled or quadrupled their strength, then surely that qualifies them well enough to give advice on how they reached that level of development? They may not be qualified to talk about how they put on 120lbs of muscle, sure, but they’re just as right in talking about how they put on their first 50-70lbs as the 280lb guy is talking about how he put on his first 50-70lbs.

The problem with people here is that they think it’s an all or nothing proposition, which it’s not. It’s like if you’re at a certain weight/strength level then what you say is the Word of God, but anything below that point and your opinion on anything is meaningless, which is absolutely ridiculous.

The problem on this forum is not that there is an overabundance of people who have put on 50-70 lbs, that are being shouted down by 280 lb guys. I mean, come on… there are a lot of intermediates here that get treated very well, and the few 250+ guys we have here give their advice freely. I don’t see them shouting down people at all, and totally disagree with your perception of this forum. If anyone less than 250 lbs get “shouted down”, then there wouldn’t be but 5 guys posting here.
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He has no point to begin with. The majority of the people on this site barely have arms over 15" so what is he talking about? There may be 10 people on this entire fucking site that would make other serious lifters say, “damn” because of their development.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Who the FUCK has gained 70lbs of muscle on this site using TBT?

Please, name them.

Also, please do not pick someone who gained 5 inches in height over that time period.[/quote]

I went from around 154 to 210 at only a slightly higher bodyfat percentage in the space of two years using primarily TBT, and that wasn’t even constant bulking and I drank a fair amount in that time period as well.

“Oh no, that’s impossible, you couldn’t have done it!”

Yes, I did. Whether you like it or not, it happened. Just because it’s not how YOU did it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. And frankly you’re the worst culprit I’ve seen for slagging off things you haven’t tried. You started off roughly the same size I did as I recall (5’10-11", 145ish, right?) so how the Hell do you know you couldn’t have got to 200-210 in two years using TBT?

You don’t, and if you say you do then you’re speaking totally out of your arse. Frankly it surprises me that an intelligent man such as yourself can be so closed minded.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

He has no point to begin with. The majority of the people on this site barely have arms over 15" so what is he talking about? There may be 10 people on this entire fucking site that would make other serious lifters say, “damn” because of their development.[/quote]

Then why are you so quick to shout down TBT as if it doesn’t work? Are you suggesting that those ten people are the ONLY people on the forums who can/should give advice and speak about their personal experiences freely?

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[quote]Squelchy wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Who the FUCK has gained 70lbs of muscle on this site using TBT?

Please, name them.

Also, please do not pick someone who gained 5 inches in height over that time period.

I went from around 154 to 210 at only a slightly higher bodyfat percentage in the space of two years using primarily TBT, and that wasn’t even constant bulking and I drank a fair amount in that time period as well.

“Oh no, that’s impossible, you couldn’t have done it!”

Yes, I did. Whether you like it or not, it happened. Just because it’s not how YOU did it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. And frankly you’re the worst culprit I’ve seen for slagging off things you haven’t tried. You started off roughly the same size I did as I recall (5’10-11", 145ish, right?) so how the Hell do you know you couldn’t have got to 200-210 in two years using TBT?

You don’t, and if you say you do then you’re speaking totally out of your arse. Frankly it surprises me that an intelligent man such as yourself can be so closed minded.[/quote]

I got to well over 210lbs and I, unlike you, have made that much of a gain in LEAN BODY MASS and not just body weight.

The debate has never been whether TBT can build any muscle. The debate has been about which one has caused more people to ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE BODYBUILDERS AND GET REALLY FUCKING BIG.

How tall are you?

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[quote]Squelchy wrote:
Professor X wrote:

He has no point to begin with. The majority of the people on this site barely have arms over 15" so what is he talking about? There may be 10 people on this entire fucking site that would make other serious lifters say, “damn” because of their development.

Then why are you so quick to shout down TBT as if it doesn’t work? Are you suggesting that those ten people are the ONLY people on the forums who can/should give advice and speak about their personal experiences freely?[/quote]

Post pictures.

This is a bodybuilding forum. the goal is really big muscles. If most of the people with really big muscles trained a certain way…and I saw similar results training that way as well, why the fuck would I worry about training differently?

The entire goal is to do what works. If you now qualify as “BUILT” from doing TBT, then keep it up…but my guess is you look way different at 210lbs than I did at 210lbs.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I got to well over 210lbs and I, unlike you, have made that much of a gain in LEAN BODY MASS and not just body weight.

The debate has never been whether TBT can build any muscle. The debate has been about which one has caused more people to ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE BODYBUILDERS AND GET REALLY FUCKING BIG.

How tall are you? [/quote]

I don’t think anybody is trying to claim TBT will take someone to their ultimate potential. I certainly wouldn’t. I think it’s pretty damn obvious from the fact that every seriously muscular person does a split means that to take someone to their ultimate potential a split is needed. Please understand I’m not trying to debate this at all. I concede this point without any sort of argument whatsoever.

But surely you understand that you don’t go from 140lbs soaking wet to “ACTUALLY LOOKING LIKE BODYBUILDERS AND GETTING REALLY FUCKING BIG”, to paraphrase? It’s a long, slow process, no? And everybody has to travel that path one step at a time. So what makes you more qualified to talk about how you took your first 100 steps than someone else who’s taken their first 100 steps just because you’ve taken an extra 100 steps? How do you know if you’d taken your first 100 steps down a different path you wouldn’t have got there just as fast or faster?

If you took two years to put on 60lbs and so did someone else then what makes your advice for how to put on 60lbs in two years any better than the other guy’s, just because you started earlier?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Post pictures.

This is a bodybuilding forum. the goal is really big muscles. If most of the people with really big muscles trained a certain way…and I saw similar results training that way as well, why the fuck would I worry about training differently?

The entire goal is to do what works. If you now qualify as “BUILT” from doing TBT, then keep it up…but my guess is you look way different at 210lbs than I did at 210lbs.[/quote]

I pretty much addressed this in my above post.

As for why you might train differently, who knows, an open mind maybe? I realise that’s a failing of yours but try it, it just might work.

How’s this for an example… one of the guys I know, a local bouncer, at his biggest was around 335 and not exactly too fat, at 6’3". He spent his first couple of years doing TBT. So he’s bigger than you and when I asked him, gave me opposite advice to you.

So what do you say to that?

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[quote]Squelchy wrote:

But surely you understand that you don’t go from 140lbs soaking wet to “ACTUALLY LOOKING LIKE BODYBUILDERS AND GETTING REALLY FUCKING BIG”, to paraphrase? It’s a long, slow process, no? And everybody has to travel that path one step at a time. So what makes you more qualified to talk about how you took your first 100 steps than someone else who’s taken their first 100 steps just because you’ve taken an extra 100 steps? How do you know if you’d taken your first 100 steps down a different path you wouldn’t have got there just as fast or faster?[/quote]

No one is stopping you from speaking on whatever you please. However, please stop acting like a victim. I asked for pictures for a reason. Yes, I was a skinny kid and weighed all of 150lbs, but that starting place is WAY FUCKING DIFFERENT than someone who was severely UNDERweight for their height to start off with who gets up to “average weight for their height” quickly. Numbers alone don’t mean shit.

If some guy is 6’2" and goes from 150lbs to over 200lbs, that is much less of a feat of genetics or hard training and much more a feat of the simple fact that most people that tall weigh that much as grown adult men. Therefore, it is not the same as someone much shorter who now weighs over 200lbs when their “normal body weight” stands at around 180.

Yes, in bodybuilding, results are what matters, not your philosophy…unless it brought you more results.

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If you took two years to put on 60lbs and so did someone else then what makes your advice for how to put on 60lbs in two years any better than the other guy’s, just because you started earlier?[/quote]

Read above.

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[quote]Squelchy wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Post pictures.

This is a bodybuilding forum. the goal is really big muscles. If most of the people with really big muscles trained a certain way…and I saw similar results training that way as well, why the fuck would I worry about training differently?

The entire goal is to do what works. If you now qualify as “BUILT” from doing TBT, then keep it up…but my guess is you look way different at 210lbs than I did at 210lbs.

I pretty much addressed this in my above post.

As for why you might train differently, who knows, an open mind maybe? I realise that’s a failing of yours but try it, it just might work.

How’s this for an example… one of the guys I know, a local bouncer, at his biggest was around 335 and not exactly too fat, at 6’3". He spent his first couple of years doing TBT. So he’s bigger than you and when I asked him, gave me opposite advice to you.

So what do you say to that?[/quote]

I don’t give a shit because he isn’t in this discussion and you speaking for him is something I am sure he doesn’t need. You haven’t even answered how tall you are so why do you think you have any credit for the truth to speak for other people?

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Squelchy, you went from an anorexic 154 at 5’10, to a normal 210 lbs, good job.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

No one is stopping you from speaking on whatever you please. However, please stop acting like a victim. I asked for pictures for a reason. Yes, I was a skinny kid and weighed all of 150lbs, but that starting place is WAY FUCKING DIFFERENT than someone who was severely UNDERweight for their height to start off with who gets up to “average weight for their height” quickly. Numbers alone don’t mean shit.

If some guy is 6’2" and goes from 150lbs to over 200lbs, that is much less of a feat of genetics or hard training and much more a feat of the simple fact that most people that tall weigh that much as grown adult men. Therefore, it is not the same as someone much shorter who now weighs over 200lbs when their “normal body weight” stands at around 180.

Yes, in bodybuilding, results are what matters, not your philosophy…unless it brought you more results.[/quote]

How am I acting like a victim? I’m asking you to answer simple questions… if you take two identical people following two different protocols (up to a point) then what makes one of them more qualified to talk about what it took to get up to that point than the other just because he took it further?

This is what I’m asking you.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I don’t give a shit because he isn’t in this discussion and you speaking for him is something I am sure he doesn’t need. You haven’t even answered how tall you are so why do you think you have any credit for the truth to speak for other people?[/quote]

5’10" and a tiny bit.

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[quote]Squelchy wrote:
if you take two identical people following two different protocols (up to a point) [/quote]

this, this right here. If you can’t get the significance of the words you put in parenthesis then you don’t get it.

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[quote]Squelchy wrote:
Professor X wrote:

I don’t give a shit because he isn’t in this discussion and you speaking for him is something I am sure he doesn’t need. You haven’t even answered how tall you are so why do you think you have any credit for the truth to speak for other people?

5’10" and a tiny bit.[/quote]

Cool, you post a pic of yourself at your 210lbs (or near it) and I will post a pic of myself at 210lbs and we can compare.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Cool, you post a pic of yourself at your 210lbs (or near it) and I will post a pic of myself at 210lbs and we can compare.[/quote]

Yes, as long as you answer my previous questions first.

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[quote]Squelchy wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Cool, you post a pic of yourself at your 210lbs (or near it) and I will post a pic of myself at 210lbs and we can compare.

Yes, as long as you answer my previous questions first.[/quote]

Gee, I did answer your questions. Your take ON SOMEONE ELSE’S TRAINING who no one else knows is unneeded and unless he is here to speak for himself, you can keep it to yourself.

Does this need to be written in neon red?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Gee, I did answer your questions. Your take ON SOMEONE ELSE’S TRAINING who no one else knows is unneeded and unless he is here to speak for himself, you can keep it to yourself.

Does this need to be written in neon red?[/quote]

No, you avoided answering it by comparing two different people of different heights and builds, which is not what I was asking you.

Let me repeat the question for you:

“If you take two identical people following two different protocols (up to a point) then what makes one of them more qualified to talk about what it took to get up to that point than the other just because he took it further?”

This is what I’m asking you.

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[quote]Squelchy wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Gee, I did answer your questions. Your take ON SOMEONE ELSE’S TRAINING who no one else knows is unneeded and unless he is here to speak for himself, you can keep it to yourself.

Does this need to be written in neon red?

No, you avoided answering it by comparing two different people of different heights and builds, which is not what I was asking you.

Let me repeat the question for you:

“If you take two identical people following two different protocols (up to a point) then what makes one of them more qualified to talk about what it took to get up to that point than the other just because he took it further?”

This is what I’m asking you.
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We are still trying to get some proof of TBT building these great physiques like you claim. That is why I keep asking for pictures from all of you who speak so highly of it…yet for some very strange reason, very few of you ever post them.

Until you do, and until I see TBT truly creating the same results as those who follow split training with basic knowledge in full effect, then your scenario where they both reach the same level isn’t valid…it is only theory. Frankly, I am tired of the talk. I want to see RESULTS in PICTURES.

Not one person here has stopped someone from giving advice simply because they didn’t take it to pro level in terms of muscle mass. However, skinny newbs and people who won’t post pics of their amazing progress need to post less and read more unless they show they truly have experience and are not just repeating what they read somewhere.

Yes, in the gym, the guy who has made the most progress has the experience of what it took to get there. I am not interested in speaking with the guy who gained 20lbs really fast if the guy who gain 90 is standing right next to him.