Anyone Else Hate Doctors?

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[quote]tststrn wrote:
its not medicate and operate

its: educate, medicate then operate!![/quote]

no no it’s medicate and collect the insentives from the drug companies, like box seats for a season, or piles of candies, or tickets to your favorite shows. i have seen my friends mom recieve all of these. the bos xeats have a great view, thanks phizer, or whoever the fuck it was. i am not saying ALL doctors are shitty, just 98% of them. the ones who get all defensive seem to be part of the later. i have only met one doctor i would trust, and he’s not even one of the three in my extended family.

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I have to disagree. For health, they know a lot. I know a lot of physicians. An Endo, two family docs, my girl (resident), two surgeons and a pain managment radiologist. They all bitch to me all the time about how many patients they see with diet related problems. They all try to improve blood lipids, blood pressure, blood sugar/diabetes and all the health biomarkers with diet recomendations. And good diet recomendations for the average person.

They light up whenever a patient actually does that stuff or loses some fat. They give solid, simple advice that works on people. Many people do not manage their own health, life, eating, they want lipitor, procardia and metformin. You can’t force these people to change.

For optimal performance in your specific sport well your doc may not specialize in that. But there are docs that can help with even that. But your average doc will know how to eat. Seriously, that is not all that complicated when talking about general health. I would go so far as to say EVERYONE knows they should eat fish and lean meats, vegetables and fruits. Who doesn’t realize that pre-pakaged foods and ice cream isn’t good for you?

People need to take responsibilty for their own eating habits. Alternative medicine - with that, the docs I know do know about the few clinically tested things like glucosamine, saw plametto, ginko and some other things, but they spend time with really sick people and that is their focus. Performance enhancement is a joke to them, they don’t care, they care about disease.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
tststrn wrote:
its not medicate and operate

its: educate, medicate then operate!!

Tell me who is going to “educate” medical doctors on nutrition, exercise and alternative medicine?

At this point most seem to be clueless in these areas![/quote]

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Tell me who is going to “educate” medical doctors on nutrition, exercise and alternative medicine?

At this point most seem to be clueless in these areas![/quote]

who are “most”

remenber that many doctors in prvate practice have been out of school and training for 5-10-20+ years. Sometimes going to a conference for CME credits hardly qualifies as education. Many doctors have been doing the same thing for many years, are set in their ways and apprehensive of trying new things or thinking out of the box.

as stated most university hospitals have a dynamic learning experience for all specialties

additionally there are doctors that are open minded with diverse backgrounds and hobbies (ie exercise and nutrition). many have BS degrees in sports med, nutition, physiology.

Do a little research on who is treating you. Ask him about nutrition, training and of course look at him, does he look like he has an interest in working out or nutrition… if not move on, help is out there and many are educated beyond “just” medicine.

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And how many do you personally know?,
It happens, drug companies offer you incentives to use their product as in any business. But most doctors wont use unless needed and it is actually the best product for a condition. again dealing with the private sector things are diff. drug reps cant even bring lunch to the hospital i work at let alone tickets

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[quote]tststrn wrote:
no no it’s medicate and collect the insentives from the drug companies, like box seats for a season, or piles of candies, or tickets to your favorite shows. i have seen my friends mom recieve all of these. the bos xeats have a great view, thanks phizer, or whoever the fuck it was. i am not saying ALL doctors are shitty, just 98% of them. the ones who get all defensive seem to be part of the later. i have only met one doctor i would trust, and he’s not even one of the three in my extended family.

And how many do you personally know?,
It happens, drug companies offer you incentives to use their product as in any business. But most doctors wont use unless needed and it is actually the best product for a condition. again dealing with the private sector things are diff. drug reps cant even bring lunch to the hospital i work at let alone tickets[/quote]

one for sure, like i said the box seats were great. as far as my extended family goes, i have never brought it up. we don’t see eachother often. i don’t have anybody knocking on my door with these things, so it’s not like “any other buisness”. it’s like here is some free shit, all you have to do is write our name on a piece of paper. ummm sound pretty close? the point is most 98% are not worth a shit. if you fail to see that then i suggest you look in the mirror. a shitty doctor might be in front of you. :wink:

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[quote]MODOK wrote:
MD’s are great; they ARE our best and brightest.
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I truly pity the second best and second brightest.

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[quote]obatiger11 wrote:
Belligerent,
One thing you will learn about life is that sometimes it is not fair. Sometimes you get injured and there is no fixing the problem. That’s just the way it is. Your’re in a terrible situation-That’s life suck it up!!! Stopping blaming the medical profession for something you probably did to yourself. As with all things, there are good Dr’s and there are bad Dr’s.

It is your responsiblity to research the physician(s), seek the best possible care, and after visiting the Dr follow the guidelines he/she has set for you. Sounds to me like you might be what we call in the medical profession a “head case”. If you are, then that’s probably why you are not getting any better. I have seen and worked with ppl like you before. You have a surgery and think that everything is going to be magically cured. You think that once you go under the knife you are going to wake up and everything is going to be OK. Take some responsibility for your own health.

Did you follow the Dr’s guidelines? Did you do the rehab? Did you avoid activities he/she told you to avoid? If you can answer yes to all of these questions, then buddy all I can tell you is deal with it. The body is more complex then anyone will ever be able to understand. If you think that a Dr. is the ends to all means then you are sadly mistaken. That’s why it’s call “practicing medicine.” There is no cure for every injury or illness that can possiblily happen to the human body.

To this point you still have not disclosed what is your injury. You saw 15 Dr’s. Is this b/c one referred you to another or is it b/c you did not like what the first 14 told you so you decided to shop around until you found one that gave you what you wanted to hear? Let me guess–you are probably one of those douche bags that did something stupid like jump off a roof while you were drunk, screwed yourself up pretty bad, so bad that a Dr couldn’t repair you and now you are looking for some easy money so you are going to sue one of the 15 or maybe all of them.

Either way stop blaming the Drs. Take control, tell your mom to wipe your ass, and get over it. [/quote]

You’re extremely assumptive and presuming, not to mention wrong. Re-read my original post: this is not just a sitation where there’s nothing that the doctors can do to help. What has happened is that the doctors said that they COULD help, and then caused me SIGNIFICANT HARM in the process of “treating” me. I am now worse than I was the day I first sought medical attention, and this deterioration is a direct result of following the advice of my doctors. I believe that the injury would have healed on its own by now with no medical intervention had I never gone to the doctor.

You can’t fucking imagine how angry I am. The last 17 months have been SHEER FUCKING MISERY and it’s largely the fault of doctors. They’ve ruined my life and all I want to do is ruin their professional dignity.

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MDs are not the best and brightest. They’re just the most prestige-obsessed narcissistic degenerates who believe that life depends on how good your grades are.

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I hate doctors with a passion. I wouldn’t even mind their incompetence if they didn’t have the balls to charge you for it. I have had to many negative experiences to document. I respect surgical doctors, but internal medicine docs are the beagles of the medical world, which is to say they are the dumbest breed of physician.

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You guys sound like fascists…

My mom has been in school for half her life, mainly due to having to move from a practice in Romania to the US. She is in no way stuck up, never thinks she’s better than a patient because she’s smarter, and has been such an amazing doctor, roughly half of the hospital’s other doctors’ patients ask to be transferred to her. And she is not even an actual doctor in the US, she is a Physician’s Assistant, although she is brighter and has been in school more than any true MD I have met.

How can any of you say that all doctors are narcissistic, stuck up, and I even saw someone say dumb, people in the world? This is not only ignorant and blindly discriminatory, it is downright stupid to say that doctors don’t know what they’re talking about.

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Doctors are no different than any other profession, you have your best and worst and a whole lot of others in the middle, I’ve had both good and bad experiences; great surgeons, good GP, and terrible ER docs. The fact is that these people are not brilliant, truly brilliant people are innovative and groundbreaking thinkers. The majority of doctors spend their careers accumulating knowledge and combining it with enough analytical aptitude to diagnose.

The fact they are body “mechanics” is true but there is no vehicle as complex or fragile as a human being so the volume of information that must be retained and applied by doctors must be respected. And while you can get your education almost anywhere you still need to pass the same exams as a domestic doctor to be certified so it is kind of a moot point.

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Enough already. Tell us what the hell is wrong w/ you. And don’t point me back to another post. I don’t care about you having a pseudonym for a pseudonym. I am just curious as to what type of injury you have.

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[quote]tststrn wrote:
Tell me who is going to “educate” medical doctors on nutrition, exercise and alternative medicine?

At this point most seem to be clueless in these areas!

who are “most”[/quote]

That would be the majority.

And if you think you can sit down and interview a doctor the way you might a potential high level employee you are quite naive!

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I liked the one that said “medicate and operate”. So what else do you expect? A back rub, a quickie, a BJ or what? This what we are trained to do: medicate and operate. I like it when people complain about being on too many pills: hey, that’s why you’re still around to bitch about your doctor being a moron for prescribing them to you! And if you don’t like them, stop taking them! And remember, if anything goes wrong, it’s always your doctor’s fault!

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You know I’m right with you on this one bro.

For all you guys saying it’s called medical PRACTICE. The problem is the doctors don’t practice. When you are practicing something you get feedback and improve your effort. Doctors don’t do this. They do, or tell you to do what they have learned and send you on your way. They don’t have a mechanism in the process to find out what works and what doesn’t.

Another problem with these Sports Med Doctors is when you are out of sight you are out of mind. They give you their best when you are in the room but when you leave, they are not consulting other doctors or researching in journals on your behalf or even giving some good critical thought to what’s going on. Belligerent is 0 for 15. I must be 0 for 10 on sports med doctors. I think that’s enough evidence to conclude their all shit.

And Belligerent, if you were Belligerent on Sub 10, good one. You had everyone thinking you were Conte. Other than that, would you cut it with all these names? I just don’t get why you do that. I think I could count up at least half a dozen. Let me see…

SD, IFB, Pickles. Ok, I can only come up with 3. Maybe I should start a contest to dig up all your names. that might be enlightening.

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[quote]obatiger11 wrote:
Enough already. Tell us what the hell is wrong w/ you. And don’t point me back to another post. I don’t care about you having a pseudonym for a pseudonym. I am just curious as to what type of injury you have. [/quote]

Dude’s knee is fucked up.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
tststrn wrote:
Tell me who is going to “educate” medical doctors on nutrition, exercise and alternative medicine?

At this point most seem to be clueless in these areas!

who are “most”

That would be the majority.

And if you think you can sit down and interview a doctor the way you might a potential high level employee you are quite naive!

[/quote]

Zeb is of course correct. But if that is what you desire, you can choose e.g. primary care docs open to and in some cases interested in alternative stuff. No there are not many, but there are a few around. More as time goes by.

And it would be nice if there was a guide that told people what kind of conventional/alternative pracitioner to see for what kind of problem, but there is not, at least yet. But one can certainly ask the doc you see what he/she thinks is wrong with you. And then how that treatment is going to help. You can then research your alternatives on line.

And again, after two ankle sprains, a knee dislocation and some minor rotator cuff problems over the past few years, now all nearly back to normal, I’ve really come to appreciate the value of soft tissue work e.g. active release.

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[quote]kellyc wrote:
SD, IFB, Pickles. Ok, I can only come up with 3. Maybe I should start a contest to dig up all your names. that might be enlightening.[/quote]

Pickles?

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[quote]MODOK wrote:
Got a real simple suggestion for everyone who thinks MDs are worthless…don’t go to them. Strap granny’s poltice of rhubarb and goat piss areound your knee or shoulder or more fittingly your brain and be quiet. Perhaps they’ll be a bodybuilding supplement that will come out to help you someday…[/quote]

I’ll take you up on that. I’m never going to the doctor again.

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I just wanted to say that this is an excellent thread, and its really interesting reading different individual’s viewpoints on it. I’m a pre-med student, so its always interesting (and sometimes shocking) to get a glimpse of what people experience in the medical field.