Anyone Else Hate Doctors?

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[quote]MODOK wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
mazilla wrote:

Just see what happens then.

Exactly. Medical malpractice was the deciding factor on me declining medical school. I got in, but after serious contemplation, I changed to my mind and went the PharmD route. Some specialties malpractice costs MDs 75-80% of their income. I make 120k a year and have an 8 hour a day job. They clear 130-150k and have to be on call their entire life and surrender their entire existence until they are 40 years old, plus the stress level is UNGODLY. I really admire those guys. They sacrifice much more than the public knows.

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FAR more than the public knows. The stupid, ignorant, moronic public who constantly whinge about how doctors have it good, know nothing etc… and so forth.

In Australia you can work as a doc until you’re 65 and retire and then be sued 20 years later. You have to keep paying the $200,000 pa insurance despite the fact that you’ve been retired 20 years.

Most ignorant fools out there immediately counter with “oh but the doctor did something WRONG” however

  1. it isn’t a case of being sued because you did something WRONG, it is a case of being successfully sued if you did X and you could have done ANYTHING else. Regardless of whether what you did was standard practice.

  2. you keep paying insurance regardless of whether you are ever going to be sued.

The public don’t realise that the money paid to health is actually sucked up by insurance companies. NOT spent on providing good health.

Plus the public are usually too stupid and ill informed to look after themselves in the first place and waste health money because they are fat, lazy, stupid, clumsy, idiots, or smoke.

Note I am generally not talking about T-Nation readers who usually are well informed and quite competant health wise. If everyone was, there’d be more health $ to spend on better health for all. Government $ spent on more sports medicine specialists rather than on treating the obese. Get rid of the obese / smokers and you’d pretty much be able to afford everyone to have a personal trainer with daily massages.

Having said all this there are doctors out there who are not up to scratch and certainly not in the sports medicine field. But you have to take responsibility for that area yourself, as much as possible. OR see a sports medicine specialist.

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The Doc that fixed my knee was top notch as were the physical therapists.

Of course I was responsible for the work I had to do for my recovery.

I also understand that my knee will never be what it was before the injury.
This is not the fault of the Dr. or the PTs.

Someone said doctors are merely mechanics for the body, of course it is not that simple. Mechanics can simply replace parts that are new and as good as the original parts. Doctors don’t have that option.

Remember it is called medical practice for a reason. It is not perfect.

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[quote]Magarhe wrote:
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The public don’t realise that the money paid to health is actually sucked up by insurance companies. NOT spent on providing good health.

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This is the heart of the problem in the US. The US spends ungodly money on healthcare but it is sucked up by the insurance companies.

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““Quick tip: You guys should look at doctors like medical consultants.””

Spoken like someone paid an MD’s salary.

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[quote]belligerent wrote:
MODOK wrote:
You never did say what your injury is. What are they trying to treat?

Sorry, I don’t want to discuss the details of my injury here. One reason is that I’ve already posted about it on pretty much every message board on the internet and it never goes anywhere… the other reason is that I’ve also bitched about it on this board before under my pseudonym, which I don’t want to give away. I’m not trying to solicit advice anyway; I just want to talk shit about doctors.[/quote]

Dude, I guess your gonads shriveled up from all the steroid abuse, but it sounds like your REAL problem is pretty much incurable…they haven’t perfected the surgery for craniorecatl inversion.

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“the other reason is that I’ve also bitched about it on this board before under my pseudonym,”

You have a pseudonym for a pseudonym… nuts. lol

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There are plenty of problems with the typical MD.

First of all, most are aloof. They don’t really care about you, or listen to your problems. What they do is talk AT YOU not to you.

Secondly, they feel superior to you in every way. They have the medical degree and they think that gives them the right to treat you as a sub human.

Thirdly, most doctors know next to nothing about nutrition or any of the alternative healing methodologies that many of us have been using for years with great success.

They are in the stone age when it comes to this All they know is two things:

  1. Operate

  2. Medicate.

If you need either of these two things medical doctors cannot be beat! Otherwise don’t waste your time.

Finally, there are not enough of them. If there were more of them they would get off their high horse and respond. Just like any other business where there is competition…you get treated like a king.

What the government should do is literally flood the market with doctors. They can do this by providing low interest loans (or no interest loans) to anyone who wants to go to med school.

When there is a doctor on every corner they will once again be responsive to our needs. Who knows the old fashioned house call might even return.

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I used to hate doctors, was misdiagnosed with a serious sleep disorder till I was almost 25, came pretty close to a heart attack because of it. Found a good doctor, had the necessary surgeries and now I have been lifting again for more than a year now. Could not be happier.

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Zeb I agree with most of your points however you cannot flood that market with doctors, the education standard JUST to medicate or operate is way beyond the ability to supply people who can achieve that standard, AND it is a waste of time.

However the level of education to be able to take care of your health is NOT that hard so instead of flooding the world with doctors how about we flood the world with educated patients?

I honestly believe the best solution is to really push so that the average person on the street knows these things:

  • good diet principles and how to identify bullshit diets

  • good exercise principles and how to identify bullshit ones

  • general 1st aid, basic rescue, lifesaving and emergency response

  • heck, lets throw in self defense there too, but if not, then at least, HOW TO FALL without injury

  • some basics of medical health e.g if you can’t feel your legs or they are numb and tingling then CHECK IT OUT don’t ignore it until you are a cripple, and other useful tidbits, such as don’t call an ambulance when you are out of aspirin

  • they should have to see first hand the damage done from not taking care of their health, to put the fear of god into them

I do not know if I have covered everything there but really, these skills should be taught to everyone at school and should be compulsory, and adults should have to pass tests as well.

Then if someone is having a sports injury they can go to a sports medic.

But if you need to see a general practitioner, then you will have a real good idea that you need to go.

There is just no frikkin excuse in this internet age NOT to be that educated and people should stop blaming doctors who are not there for that reason.

If my irrigation system isn’t working in my greenhouse I don’t abuse my plumber for not knowing how to setup trickle irrigation.

So don’t go to a doctor for diet, exercise or rehab advice when there are specialists to handle this.

(having said that there is no excuse for docs not to be well versed in general sports medicine)

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[quote]MODOK wrote:
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But the most damaging thing thats ever happened to our health care system, the thing that has eroded our care more than the next 10 things combined, is our third party insurance system. Its the sole reason why 1 night in the hospital costs 3000 instead of 200, and why a bag of SALINE costs 200 bucks…200 bucks! I’m not kidding folks. Do away with third pary and we will all be able to afford healthcare, and practice will improve by leaps and bounds.

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YES!!!

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where to start

beligerent: sorry about your condition, a assume its of the foot or ankle. (my specialty)

As a whole the medical profession is filled with good and bad doctors. Some have better training at better hospitals while some have better real world experience. However I feel its unfair to bash the whole community.
Just like any other profession we are not perfect and you may not get “curred” every time, but you have options , other doctors, other specialties (alternative medincine etc).

Most good doctors are not too proud to admit if they are uncertain. I work in a large university hospital and routinely discuss cases of uncertain nature with other doctors in the same field as well as other fields. Additionally health care is a team effort (especially ortho, podiatry etc) in that its the doctor, therapists, physiatrist, prosthesist, sports med, etc, combined effort to give the best applicable trt.
Again i apologize for anyone that has had bad medical trt but please do not crucify the field.

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its not medicate and operate

its: educate, medicate then operate!!

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I love the one I’m engaged to.
She’s great. I had a great surgeon and have a great family doctor.
Many people on here criticize docs. When you get really sick they can help. As a resident my girl sees crazy shit in the hospital. Real sick people.

On here some people have legit complaints about docs but docs are really constrained by stupid regulations. And other people just aren’t sick. Stupid little cronic problems and criticisms that docs don’t know enough about juice or diet are all ridiculous complaints. Go to a hospital and see some patients with true illness.
As for all the things docs can’t help with…everyone else seems to know better so why don’t they fix it themselves?
Doctors aren’t performance enhancement/physique goal specialists. And check your docs credentials, if they went to a decent school, they know more than you.

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I guess I come from an interesting perspective on this since I am just now finishing up my first year in medical school. My views certainly do not represent most of my classmates. The trouble with most of my classmates is that they already think they know it all. Most come from stict science backgrounds, and have been told that they know everything and that they are the best, for their whole lives.

Many of my classmates don’t care about other people. Others do. A big problem as I see it is that most medical students have never been a patient themselves. I have, and now I feel that this experience truly puts my experience above most of my classmates.

But we are people, and when we become doctors, we will still be people. The amount of information that we have to learn is awe-inpsiring. Studying is more than a full-time job. Sometimes I wonder why I am putting myself and my family through this hell. But I want to be a doctor some day. I want to deal with patients like the original poster of this thread.

When I was a teenager, I severely dislocated my shoulder. I went to the orthopedic surgeon. 9 months after surgery I returned to boxing. Many years later, after an accident. I messed up my neck. What did I do? I went back to the same doctor. He couldn’t do shit for me. I was disabled for 16 months after that injury until I found a doctor who did prolotherapy. The doctor who did the prolotherapy was a God-send for me. He was the first DO I ever met, and he was the first doctor I had met who was not a complete asshole. He inspired me to attend that same school that he graduated from. I think I might even go into prolotherapy like he did.

To the original poster: I feel for your situation. Find a doctor who does prolotherapy. Most I have met are pretty compassionate, especially if they deal with chronic pain patients (NOT sports med). If you can’t, and in ten years you are still in pain (hope you are not), I will do the best I can for you. Peace

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[quote]Magarhe wrote:
Zeb I agree with most of your points however you cannot flood that market with doctors, the education standard JUST to medicate or operate is way beyond the ability to supply people who can achieve that standard, AND it is a waste of time.

However the level of education to be able to take care of your health is NOT that hard so instead of flooding the world with doctors how about we flood the world with educated patients?

I honestly believe the best solution is to really push so that the average person on the street knows these things:

  • good diet principles and how to identify bullshit diets

  • good exercise principles and how to identify bullshit ones

  • general 1st aid, basic rescue, lifesaving and emergency response

  • heck, lets throw in self defense there too, but if not, then at least, HOW TO FALL without injury

  • some basics of medical health e.g if you can’t feel your legs or they are numb and tingling then CHECK IT OUT don’t ignore it until you are a cripple, and other useful tidbits, such as don’t call an ambulance when you are out of aspirin

  • they should have to see first hand the damage done from not taking care of their health, to put the fear of god into them

I do not know if I have covered everything there but really, these skills should be taught to everyone at school and should be compulsory, and adults should have to pass tests as well.

Then if someone is having a sports injury they can go to a sports medic.

But if you need to see a general practitioner, then you will have a real good idea that you need to go.

There is just no frikkin excuse in this internet age NOT to be that educated and people should stop blaming doctors who are not there for that reason.

If my irrigation system isn’t working in my greenhouse I don’t abuse my plumber for not knowing how to setup trickle irrigation.

So don’t go to a doctor for diet, exercise or rehab advice when there are specialists to handle this.

(having said that there is no excuse for docs not to be well versed in general sports medicine)

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I agree with you 100%.
I do this in my practice every day.
But you know -some people just don’t
get
it or they are unable to seperate all the junk information on TV (infomercials) from good stuff.
And then they decide not to decide.
Dr. Tim

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Belligerent,
One thing you will learn about life is that sometimes it is not fair. Sometimes you get injured and there is no fixing the problem. That’s just the way it is. Your’re in a terrible situation-That’s life suck it up!!! Stopping blaming the medical profession for something you probably did to yourself. As with all things, there are good Dr’s and there are bad Dr’s.

It is your responsiblity to research the physician(s), seek the best possible care, and after visiting the Dr follow the guidelines he/she has set for you. Sounds to me like you might be what we call in the medical profession a “head case”. If you are, then that’s probably why you are not getting any better. I have seen and worked with ppl like you before. You have a surgery and think that everything is going to be magically cured. You think that once you go under the knife you are going to wake up and everything is going to be OK. Take some responsibility for your own health.

Did you follow the Dr’s guidelines? Did you do the rehab? Did you avoid activities he/she told you to avoid? If you can answer yes to all of these questions, then buddy all I can tell you is deal with it. The body is more complex then anyone will ever be able to understand. If you think that a Dr. is the ends to all means then you are sadly mistaken. That’s why it’s call “practicing medicine.” There is no cure for every injury or illness that can possiblily happen to the human body.

To this point you still have not disclosed what is your injury. You saw 15 Dr’s. Is this b/c one referred you to another or is it b/c you did not like what the first 14 told you so you decided to shop around until you found one that gave you what you wanted to hear? Let me guess–you are probably one of those douche bags that did something stupid like jump off a roof while you were drunk, screwed yourself up pretty bad, so bad that a Dr couldn’t repair you and now you are looking for some easy money so you are going to sue one of the 15 or maybe all of them.

Either way stop blaming the Drs. Take control, tell your mom to wipe your ass, and get over it.

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[quote]MODOK wrote:

Ha! Flood the market with physicians? Thats just what we need, lower the standards for medical school entrance and ease the curriculum in med school. Government is almost never the answer for ANYTHING…[/quote]

I said nothing in my plan about “lowering standards.” Keep the med school standards high. There are many who would attend med school if they had an automatic no interest, or low interest loan.

And I agree that "government is almost never the answer for anything. But in this situation they are indeed the answer!

More qualified doctors mean that the cost of going to see one will indeed come down. We will need LESS health insurance, not more.

And they will be more accessible.

They need to be knocked off their pedestal and there is nothing like competition to make that happen.

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[quote]Magarhe wrote:
… how about we flood the world with educated patients?

I honestly believe the best solution is to really push so that the average person on the street knows these things:

  • good diet principles and how to identify bullshit diets

  • good exercise principles and how to identify bullshit ones

  • general 1st aid, basic rescue, lifesaving and emergency response[/quote]

Well, we live in the age of communication of information. And surprisingly most of it is reasonably good. The fact is most Americans do not pay attention to what they are hearing. It’s easier to simply continue to put garbage in your mouth and skip the exercise.

But I do think that nutrition, alternative medicine and exercise should be part of a medical doctors training.

And under the “Zeb plan” we will have that!

Huh?

Sorry I got carried away… :slight_smile:

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[quote]tststrn wrote:
its not medicate and operate

its: educate, medicate then operate!![/quote]

Tell me who is going to “educate” medical doctors on nutrition, exercise and alternative medicine?

At this point most seem to be clueless in these areas!

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I second this. While it didn’t make me hurt more, the physical therapist I went to basically gave me a bunch of exercises for my back that did nothing at all. Lifting helped a lot though.

I have no problem with doctors, but the physical therapist I went to can go suck a dick. It’s like he did a google search and then came up with the bullshit exercise routine he put me on.

And beebuddy, you’re a fool. The MD profession is a poor payoff; if someone wanted to make a lot of money there are easier ways to do so, given all the money and time they spend on training.