Anaconda Protocol Common Sense?

Nutrition
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have never seen this much complaining because someone can’t afford something. If I couldn’t afford it, I wouldn’t be making posts about it. I would simply not buy it. Why the hell is this more complicated than that?

I thought that is what capitalism was all about? [/quote]

The funny thing X, is that it seems to be the same thing as the reason why a lot of people diss the pro bodybuilders.

Remember when Tim asked you ‘Why do you think that the ‘functional training guys’ made fun of competitive bodybuilders’… we both answered that you always seem to hate on what you deeply (even subconsciously) want, but can’t have?

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[quote]floridagirl wrote:
U should try acai berries bro, the before/afters are pretty sweet[/quote]

Now THAT was fucking hilarious!

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[quote]brauny96 wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
LilDaDDyDreW wrote:Ill be the other reason they think your a good fit to use these products, is that you and X and the others are very advanced with your training and you know and can feel the perfect rep. They wouldn’t give it to most of us because we are not advanced like you all are in our training[/quote]

It took me and two of my trainers to teach Stu and ACTrain 3 DAYS to teach them to lift the way I believe in.

I put them on my short list because they are know for not being blind fans and actually being helpful to others.

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My apologies CT and others. I will eat crow and admit I was wrong. I assumed that before/after photos would’ve helped the consumer make a better choice but apparently I was way off. I didn’t know to the extent photos are enhanced and such for marketing supplements.

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[quote]cobrakai wrote:
Hyena wrote:
haha nice one chimera. owned cobra…owned.

where the hell was I “owned”?

[/quote]

When Danny Larusso crane kicked you in the face.

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[quote]cobrakai wrote:
My apologies CT and others. I will eat crow and admit I was wrong. I assumed that before/after photos would’ve helped the consumer make a better choice but apparently I was way off. I didn’t know to the extent photos are enhanced and such for marketing supplements. [/quote]

I don’t buy that answer.

#1 they use before & afters from the Physique Clinic to help promote Surge Workout Fuel
#2 just because other companies are shady with before and afters doesn’t mean another company can’t do it legit.

I take before and afters of my clients to show potential new clients. Just because some people aren’t honest about it doesn’t mean I can’t be and use it to my advantage.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
brauny96 wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
LilDaDDyDreW wrote:Ill be the other reason they think your a good fit to use these products, is that you and X and the others are very advanced with your training and you know and can feel the perfect rep. They wouldn’t give it to most of us because we are not advanced like you all are in our training

It took me and two of my trainers to teach Stu and ACTrain 3 DAYS to teach them to lift the way I believe in.

I put them on my short list because they are know for not being blind fans and actually being helpful to others.[/quote]

Oh ok, my bad CT.

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[quote]cobrakai wrote:
My apologies CT and others. I will eat crow and admit I was wrong. I assumed that before/after photos would’ve helped the consumer make a better choice but apparently I was way off. I didn’t know to the extent photos are enhanced and such for marketing supplements. [/quote]

And I might shock you even more by telling you that the lab coat (scientists) guys you see in many big companies supplement ads really don’t work for the company. In fact very few supp companies hire scientists to help formulate the products and none (maybe with the possible exception) have an in-house laboratory.

I think that this (not following the typical marketing strategies) shows that, if anything, Biotest is at least being honest as not to use falsified stuff and parlor tricks to market their products.

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[quote]cobrakai wrote:
apparently I was way off. I didn’t know to the extent photos are enhanced and such for marketing supplements. [/quote]

Understandable… this is why it is still a widely used strategy… it works! People believe it (mostly because deep down they WANT to believe it… that it could be them).

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[quote]cobrakai wrote:
My apologies CT and others. I will eat crow and admit I was wrong. I assumed that before/after photos would’ve helped the consumer make a better choice but apparently I was way off. I didn’t know to the extent photos are enhanced and such for marketing supplements. [/quote]

Heck, a friend of mine is a competitive bodybuilder who is 225lbs on stage, 240lbs in near contest condition (less than 6% body fat) and 270lbs off-season. After a contest season he took a break, hit the party scene and dropped down to around 215lbs with over 12% body fat. Good before pic shape :wink: Then started his contest prep, took pics at a super lean 240… TECHNICALLY he really did gain around 40lbs of muscle, but over a much longer period of time and mostly because he first lost a ton of size.

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If you purchase the product now, you’re what is considered an early adopter. Us early adopters face a considerable risk as opposed to being in the early majority when the product has a much wider adoption. Just look at those early adopters that bought into HD-DVD. It’s the risk you take at being an early adopter, if that’s not your game, wait and hear the results of the early adopters.

Early adopters are a fickle group, so I doubt Biotest expects them to be the only group they’ll be selling to. As such, you can expect that Biotest knows they’ll be waiting a while for ANACONDA to gain more traction.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
cobrakai wrote:
My apologies CT and others. I will eat crow and admit I was wrong. I assumed that before/after photos would’ve helped the consumer make a better choice but apparently I was way off. I didn’t know to the extent photos are enhanced and such for marketing supplements.

I don’t buy that answer.

#1 they use before & afters from the Physique Clinic to help promote Surge Workout Fuel
#2 just because other companies are shady with before and afters doesn’t mean another company can’t do it legit.

I take before and afters of my clients to show potential new clients. Just because some people aren’t honest about it doesn’t mean I can’t be and use it to my advantage.[/quote]

Agreed. I took before and after pics of myself… of my ex-girlfried… of Sebastien.

We also used them for the Physique Clinic… but these pics were taken by the guys themselves AND had to be posted periodically so that people could follow along.

It’s not the same thing as just showing two pics and saying THIS HAPPENED IN 12 WEEKS. For all we know it could be a year, could be doctored pics, could be of competitive bodybuilders, etc.

It’s not that before and after are bad… they are bad IF you can’t clearly establish the conditions under which they were taken.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
cobrakai wrote:
My apologies CT and others. I will eat crow and admit I was wrong. I assumed that before/after photos would’ve helped the consumer make a better choice but apparently I was way off. I didn’t know to the extent photos are enhanced and such for marketing supplements.

I don’t buy that answer.

#1 they use before & afters from the Physique Clinic to help promote Surge Workout Fuel
#2 just because other companies are shady with before and afters doesn’t mean another company can’t do it legit.

I take before and afters of my clients to show potential new clients. Just because some people aren’t honest about it doesn’t mean I can’t be and use it to my advantage.

Agreed. I took before and after pics of myself… of my ex-girlfried… of Sebastien.

We also used them for the Physique Clinic… but these pics were taken by the guys themselves AND had to be posted periodically so that people could follow along.

It’s not the same thing as just showing two pics and saying THIS HAPPENED IN 12 WEEKS. For all we know it could be a year, could be doctored pics, could be of competitive bodybuilders, etc.

It’s not that before and after are bad… they are bad IF you can’t clearly establish the conditions under which they were taken.[/quote]

Fair enough. BTW- any pics of the ex? :smiley:

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Is this protocol based on Milos Sarcev’s insulin protocol around workouts? I do believe that he had a supplement line that also catered to his theories (using WM and BCAAs). Is there any concerns about excessive inflammation from the insulin release?

Sasha

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+/-15lbs of “sympathy” weight Thibs will gain during the wife’s pregnancy:)

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
LilDaDDyDreW wrote:

Elite and Defrancos have business ties with Biotest… In my opinion Professor X and Stu are no longer credible when it comes to reviews on this supplement as well for the fact that they have established such an intimate relationship with the company.

UH,… I’ve been using Biotest supplements for about 8-9 years now, and up until a couple of months ago was gladly handing over my money because I was always content with what I ordered. Sure there were items I couldn’t afford, but I didn’t get angry at Tim for advertising and hyping them, or at other forum members who were able to buy and use them.

I never made a big deal out of this, but last March I appeared in a Natty BBing mag, where they turned some comments I made into an endorsement of another supplement company’s products. While they did give me a nice package of their product line, I actually returned the items I received to the local GNC instead of using them. Why? Because I prefer to spend my money on products that I have faith in. Will everything work for everyone? Of course not, but there are companies that earn your trust, and companies that insult your intelligence.

Sure, I realize that some people are envious, jealous, even angry that Tim and Christian chose a couple of others and myself to get our feedback, but I like to believe that it’s because they realize that we’ve all been pretty up front with our feelings instead of just kissing ass hoping everyone in cyberspace loves us. It’s also not like Tim and CT call me on the phone every week. I promised to give my thoughts and feedback, and so I’ll fire off an email to Tim when I have some thoughts, everything else is wide open on these threads. Seriously, after presenting my own trials and tribulations with training and diet like an open book on here for so many years, I resent your statement that I’m no longer credible.

S[/quote]

I still love you Stu, even though you forgo the awesomeness of the Toster Strudel for that lesser pastry, the lowly Pop-Tart.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
ebomb5522 wrote:
Do some research, there may not have been before and after pictures, but look on elitefts and the progress many of their powerlifters have said they have gotten since starting the Anaconda protocol. Check out defrancostraining.com and the reviews they have given Anaconda. I am in no way going to make any judgements on it until I try it, but these guys are “real” people and have had great things to say about it.

Elite and Defrancos have business ties with Biotest… In my opinion Professor X and Stu are no longer credible when it comes to reviews on this supplement as well for the fact that they have established such an intimate relationship with the company.

That being said, Anaconda is just a name, the nutrition label is what it is. I know Anaconda’s ingredients are effective in promoting anabolism, its just overpriced… (for a college student like myself)

This is retarded. Because some of us used the product and speak on it in a positive light, the fact that we were chosen makes our opinions invalid? Then why are people making threads asking for results if they apparently wouldn’t even trust those same results?

That means most of you are just bitching for no reason. If the guys who actually used the product are now being ignored, who the hell are you guys basing opinions on? The newbs who will act like the OP and get pissed if they don’t gain exactly 15lbs despite all of their fuck ups?[/quote]

No the fact that you guys live on these boards and have such an established relationship with T-Nation and the company makes you less reliable, there is nothing retarded about that. I’m just pointing that out, I don’t care… Its no coincidence that Biotest picked the most influencial posters to pitch the product to first…

I know ANACONDA/MAG-10 are the future in protein supplementation and will be bootleged by every supplement company in the next few years. Technology keeps changing and so does supplementation. ITs cool and I like it. I will probably pick up a bottle of MAG-10 one of these days.

Can we get some reviews instead of price bashing… Anyone whose tried it how does it make you feel. Any noticeable effects? Does its insulin spike from the protein compare to an insulin spike from a carb drink? I’m curious as hell about everything and have been reading about this stuff for much to long this weekend.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

And I’m not even mentioned lighting tricks… Dr. Rick Silverman once took pics of himself a few HOURS apart and because of lighting, posing, shaving, etc. they looked to be months apart! [/quote]

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[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:

Can we get some reviews instead of price bashing… Anyone whose tried it how does it make you feel. Any noticeable effects? Does its insulin spike from the protein compare to an insulin spike from a carb drink? I’m curious as hell about everything and have been reading about this stuff for much to long this weekend.[/quote]

I’ve pretty much thought you were a doucher sense your veiled brag of an ab thread in the bodybuilding forum a few months ago…

My opinion hasn’t changed yet…

And to point out something: You already mentioned you don’t find anyone that has tried it so far creditable. So HOW THE FUCK CAN ANYONE GIVE YOU A REVIEW?

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[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
Can we get some reviews instead of price bashing… Anyone whose tried it how does it make you feel. Any noticeable effects? [/quote]

One of the smartest things written in this thread!

I think everyone who has been able to try to product has commented to a better feeling of recovery, as well as noticeable composition changes, and bigger numbers on lifts (I know I have).

While not many of us can schedule 3 a days like Christian was experimenting with, I’ve been pushing myself damn hard lately knowing that I’ll have to scale back my cals in a month when I start my next prep. For those of you who truly bust your ass in the gym, just try to imagine if your body was in a state where it was more receptive to make gains. Again, it’s not magic,… hell, I noticed a big difference in my recovery when I started with the BCAAs peri-workout, but it was nothing like this.

Would I be able to afford it if Tim hadn’t stepped down from Mt Olympus and let me take a test drive? Probably not,… but not because I wouldn’t want to (in case you don’t know, I live in NYC and am presently working as a city teacher,… very far from lucrative -lol).

I remember back when the original MAG-10 prohormone came out. It wasn’t cheap, and I had just started going to school again at night to get a 2nd masters degree (while still paying off my other degrees, car payments, health insurance, rent). I put a little money aside every week for a couple of months, and as I was able to picked up some MAG-10, picked up as many meal replacement packets as I could get, bought tons of tuna… I made sure I had every single base covered before I started, and for about a month and a half, ate like a horse, trained like a beast, and forced down that horrible tasting liquid. Was it worth it? Yes. Could I have done it for more than a month or two? No.

The point is that even if you do run out and grab the package deal Biotest is offering,… make sure your bases are covered, or you’re sure to be disappointed no matter how great the product is (because let’s face it, we’re all hoping for 15 lbs of LBM for Xmas -lol). And don’t be angry if it’s not as affordable as the cheap 5 lb jug of whey you pick up at the mall every month. I’m sure Tim and the boys know that not everyone can live on Anaconda. That being the case, if you jump in, make the most of it. TC once said “make hay when the sun’s shining”… Great quote, and very applicable.

S