wow, posts are super delayed. PX- our bickering could have stopped earlier, but posts are showing up way late, just a heads up 
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
elusive wrote:
X, do you have any knowledge of whether or not they will be releasing the flavoring system as a stand alone product? I asked in the main disucssion thread, but I think it was over looked.
I know many people (not myself, but others) who hate dieting and drinking water all day. Theyâd much rather have something with flavor. The flavoring system would help out. Also, I have tons of unflavored bulk whey protein that is dying for some flavor. I know they said the water bottle would be available next week, which is cool. Also, what flavors have you tried and preferred?
I highly doubt they will since people would probably just buy it and mix it in other CHY products[/quote]
Probably true. I know other companies that offer CHY products also come with options to order it flavored to your liking or order the flavor (powder form) separately. I just personally would rather support Biotest and I know that whoever is in charge of their flavoring department is usually right on the money. Besides, liquid flavoring seems much more convienant.
[quote]Hyena wrote:
haha nice one chimera. owned cobraâŠowned.[/quote]
where the hell was I âownedâ?
[quote]cobrakai wrote:
Hyena wrote:
haha nice one chimera. owned cobraâŠowned.
where the hell was I âownedâ?
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Over here
[quote]elusive wrote:
cobrakai wrote:
Hyena wrote:
haha nice one chimera. owned cobraâŠowned.
where the hell was I âownedâ?
Over here[/quote]
You need to do something successful in life before you can âownâ someone. Those arenât even put downs.
Ok, if Iâm owned, then Elusive and Hyena and Chimera have been PWNED. Google PWNED if you need help.
[quote]cobrakai wrote:
Hyena wrote:
haha nice one chimera. owned cobraâŠowned.
where the hell was I âownedâ?
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Youâve asked enough questions.
Where is that training and supp use summary that I requested?
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
cobrakai wrote:
Hyena wrote:
haha nice one chimera. owned cobraâŠowned.
where the hell was I âownedâ?
Youâve asked enough questions.
Where is that training and supp use summary that I requested?
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I reserve the right to ignore a man who wears Birkenstocks and shaves his head. But thank you for asking.
[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
Elite and Defrancos have business ties with Biotest⊠In my opinion Professor X and Stu are no longer credible when it comes to reviews on this supplement as well for the fact that they have established such an intimate relationship with the company.
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UH,⊠Iâve been using Biotest supplements for about 8-9 years now, and up until a couple of months ago was gladly handing over my money because I was always content with what I ordered. Sure there were items I couldnât afford, but I didnât get angry at Tim for advertising and hyping them, or at other forum members who were able to buy and use them.
I never made a big deal out of this, but last March I appeared in a Natty BBing mag, where they turned some comments I made into an endorsement of another supplement companyâs products. While they did give me a nice package of their product line, I actually returned the items I received to the local GNC instead of using them. Why? Because I prefer to spend my money on products that I have faith in. Will everything work for everyone? Of course not, but there are companies that earn your trust, and companies that insult your intelligence.
Sure, I realize that some people are envious, jealous, even angry that Tim and Christian chose a couple of others and myself to get our feedback, but I like to believe that itâs because they realize that weâve all been pretty up front with our feelings instead of just kissing ass hoping everyone in cyberspace loves us. Itâs also not like Tim and CT call me on the phone every week. I promised to give my thoughts and feedback, and so Iâll fire off an email to Tim when I have some thoughts, everything else is wide open on these threads. Seriously, after presenting my own trials and tribulations with training and diet like an open book on here for so many years, I resent your statement that Iâm no longer credible.
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[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
ebomb5522 wrote:
Do some research, there may not have been before and after pictures, but look on elitefts and the progress many of their powerlifters have said they have gotten since starting the Anaconda protocol. Check out defrancostraining.com and the reviews they have given Anaconda. I am in no way going to make any judgements on it until I try it, but these guys are ârealâ people and have had great things to say about it.
Elite and Defrancos have business ties with Biotest⊠In my opinion Professor X and Stu are no longer credible when it comes to reviews on this supplement as well for the fact that they have established such an intimate relationship with the company.
That being said, Anaconda is just a name, the nutrition label is what it is. I know Anacondaâs ingredients are effective in promoting anabolism, its just overpriced⊠(for a college student like myself)[/quote]
This is retarded. Because some of us used the product and speak on it in a positive light, the fact that we were chosen makes our opinions invalid? Then why are people making threads asking for results if they apparently wouldnât even trust those same results?
That means most of you are just bitching for no reason. If the guys who actually used the product are now being ignored, who the hell are you guys basing opinions on? The newbs who will act like the OP and get pissed if they donât gain exactly 15lbs despite all of their fuck ups?
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
Elite and Defrancos have business ties with Biotest⊠In my opinion Professor X and Stu are no longer credible when it comes to reviews on this supplement as well for the fact that they have established such an intimate relationship with the company.
UH,⊠Iâve been using Biotest supplements for about 8-9 years now, and up until a couple of months ago was gladly handing over my money because I was always content with what I ordered. Sure there were items I couldnât afford, but I didnât get angry at Tim for advertising and hyping them, or at other forum members who were able to buy and use them.
I never made a big deal out of this, but last March I appeared in a Natty BBing mag, where they turned some comments I made into an endorsement of another supplement companyâs products. While they did give me a nice package of their product line, I actually returned the items I received to the local GNC instead of using them. Why? Because I prefer to spend my money on products that I have faith in. Will everything work for everyone? Of course not, but there are companies that earn your trust, and companies that insult your intelligence.
Sure, I realize that some people are envious, jealous, even angry that Tim and Christian chose a couple of others and myself to get our feedback, but I like to believe that itâs because they realize that weâve all been pretty up front with our feelings instead of just kissing ass hoping everyone in cyberspace loves us. Itâs also not like Tim and CT call me on the phone every week. I promised to give my thoughts and feedback, and so Iâll fire off an email to Tim when I have some thoughts, everything else is wide open on these threads. Seriously, after presenting my own trials and tribulations with training and diet like an open book on here for so many years, I resent your statement that Iâm no longer credible.
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Same here. I am by no means a âfan boyâ and that is one of the reasons they chose me to head up there. They were NOT looking for the guys who type âgreat article!!!â after every single fucking one posted. He wanted real feed back. I have used this product for exactly 5 weeks and 2 days. If anyone were willing to ask about my opinion, they would get it. This bullshit going on now as if I became a fucking Stepford wife because I went to Colorado is just thatâŠbullshit.
My guess is, if we were all saying we hated the product, everyone would be listening.
[quote]cobrakai wrote:
Is it me, or does the campaign and marketing for this whole Anaconda Protocol/I Bodybuilder make no fricken sense at all? Who does your marketing? The same people who promoted the Michael Vick Dog Fights? I mean seriously, look at the facts.
All customers want is to see real world guinea pigs go through the protocol and see some before/after pics. No one in their right mind can simply go off of heresay. Iâm talking âreal worldâ people. The client base that you want to buy the Anaconda Protocol. All youâre doing is shoving out a product and have NOTHING substantial to back up your claims. Or am I wrong here? Are there some before/after photoâs of guys that were giving the Anaconda for free, told what to do with it and now have this 20lbs of new muscle to show on their bodies? Where are these pics TC? Biotest? Anyone.
The rationale that you guys are proposing is that everyone should take a few peoples word? This isnât the Oprah Winfrey Book Club. âMein KampfâŠThe Newest Oprah Book Club Selectionâ Take Oprahâs word for it.
This is a serious and relevant question.
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Most before and after pics you see in ads are either:
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Of steroid-using bodybuilders⊠the before picture is taken during the off-season (when they are at their fattest, and often natural) and the after picture is in near contest shape, geared to the gills. I KNOW this for a fact because a few close friends of mine are competitive bodybuilders being sponsored by major companies.
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Reverse pics⊠they take a guy who is in great shape. Take pictures and claim this as the âafter picsâ. THEN they pay them to stop training and get fat, take a few pics and claim this as the âbeforeâ pics.
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From guys who do this by themselves. E.g. they take pics of themselves in really bad shape (after a training layoff and bad eating), then diet down to take some pic and try to sell the âbefore - after comboâ to supplement companies. When Biotest had a booth at the Olympia, a guy actually proposed this to the crew we had as well as to other companies.
And Iâm not even mentioned lighting tricks⊠Dr. Rick Silverman once took pics of himself a few HOURS apart and because of lighting, posing, shaving, etc. they looked to be months apart!
[quote]tolismann wrote:
âŠEven if they do post before & after pics of BBers using the Anaconda protocol, how can you be sure that those BBers didnât use âanything elseâ to enhance their performance?
CT said that his competitive BBers (who use steroids) also used the protocol, and they had good results.
They had good results from what? From using a bunch of milk powders, or from using steroids?[/quote]
Yes, I said that some competitive guys I train who use steroids got better results than before when they were using the same drugs.
If A + B is greater than A by itself, then B is adding something to the equation!
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
Elite and Defrancos have business ties with Biotest⊠In my opinion Professor X and Stu are no longer credible when it comes to reviews on this supplement as well for the fact that they have established such an intimate relationship with the company.
UH,⊠Iâve been using Biotest supplements for about 8-9 years now, and up until a couple of months ago was gladly handing over my money because I was always content with what I ordered. Sure there were items I couldnât afford, but I didnât get angry at Tim for advertising and hyping them, or at other forum members who were able to buy and use them.
I never made a big deal out of this, but last March I appeared in a Natty BBing mag, where they turned some comments I made into an endorsement of another supplement companyâs products. While they did give me a nice package of their product line, I actually returned the items I received to the local GNC instead of using them. Why? Because I prefer to spend my money on products that I have faith in. Will everything work for everyone? Of course not, but there are companies that earn your trust, and companies that insult your intelligence.
Sure, I realize that some people are envious, jealous, even angry that Tim and Christian chose a couple of others and myself to get our feedback, but I like to believe that itâs because they realize that weâve all been pretty up front with our feelings instead of just kissing ass hoping everyone in cyberspace loves us. Itâs also not like Tim and CT call me on the phone every week. I promised to give my thoughts and feedback, and so Iâll fire off an email to Tim when I have some thoughts, everything else is wide open on these threads. Seriously, after presenting my own trials and tribulations with training and diet like an open book on here for so many years, I resent your statement that Iâm no longer credible.
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Donât assume that he speaks for everyone.
[quote]davidcox1 wrote:
cobrakai wrote:
elusive wrote:
You donât HAVE to believe the claims or that the supplement will help you. You donât HAVE to buy the product. Who cares? It seems that youâre not going to be a customer, youâve made up your mind. Thats fine. Big deal. Iâm sure your life will be fine without Anaconda. If it bothers you, ignore it.
You donât get it. If theyâd done their homework/research before releasing the product all the people wouldnât be stating âIâll wait to see how it works on othersâ and so on. Iâm not saying I wonât buy it down the line. The price doesnât scare me off. I just think itâs stupid marketing to not have anything to back up your claims. Not understanding how this is so hard to comprehend.
I understand from reading the materials posted on this site that the Anaconda products are based on creatine, leucine, other amino acids, protein and insulin manipulation. There is a lot of science to back up the efficacy of each of these. Seems to me their value add comes in the combination of these proven ingredients and the use protocol they are recommending. I was actually pleased there was no hype around mystery ingredients or bogus proprietary âbreakthroughsâ. I think this is a level headed product, marketed in a level headed way and its success will depend on how its users feel about it. With Professor X endorsing it, someone most of us here trust, I for one plan to âreprogramâ my supplement budget and get on the Anaconda bandwagon.[/quote]
Correct. I actually based myself a lot on what bodybuilders have been doing in recent years to spark a ton of new growth with performance-enhancing chemicals and the Biotest staff found a way to apply the same principles using natural ingredients.
NO, Iâm not talking about mimicking steroids, but rather the protocol used by a renowned bodybuilding prep guru who uses insulin injections PRE workout along with a hefty dose of amino acids pre and during the workout. His clients (top IFBB pros already on top of the food chain) often report gains of at least 20lbs in lean tissue in a short period of time (and Iâve seen it work).
I donât like to mess with insulin injections, so a natural (easier to control) protocol using the same phenomenon is very interesting to me.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
Elite and Defrancos have business ties with Biotest⊠In my opinion Professor X and Stu are no longer credible when it comes to reviews on this supplement as well for the fact that they have established such an intimate relationship with the company.
UH,⊠Iâve been using Biotest supplements for about 8-9 years now, and up until a couple of months ago was gladly handing over my money because I was always content with what I ordered. Sure there were items I couldnât afford, but I didnât get angry at Tim for advertising and hyping them, or at other forum members who were able to buy and use them.
I never made a big deal out of this, but last March I appeared in a Natty BBing mag, where they turned some comments I made into an endorsement of another supplement companyâs products. While they did give me a nice package of their product line, I actually returned the items I received to the local GNC instead of using them. Why? Because I prefer to spend my money on products that I have faith in. Will everything work for everyone? Of course not, but there are companies that earn your trust, and companies that insult your intelligence.
Sure, I realize that some people are envious, jealous, even angry that Tim and Christian chose a couple of others and myself to get our feedback, but I like to believe that itâs because they realize that weâve all been pretty up front with our feelings instead of just kissing ass hoping everyone in cyberspace loves us. Itâs also not like Tim and CT call me on the phone every week. I promised to give my thoughts and feedback, and so Iâll fire off an email to Tim when I have some thoughts, everything else is wide open on these threads. Seriously, after presenting my own trials and tribulations with training and diet like an open book on here for so many years, I resent your statement that Iâm no longer credible.
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Ill be the other reason they think your a good fit to use these products, is that you and X and the others are very advanced with your training and you know and can feel the perfect rep. They wouldnât give it to most of us because we are not advanced like you all are in our training
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
Elite and Defrancos have business ties with Biotest⊠In my opinion Professor X and Stu are no longer credible when it comes to reviews on this supplement as well for the fact that they have established such an intimate relationship with the company.
UH,⊠Iâve been using Biotest supplements for about 8-9 years now, and up until a couple of months ago was gladly handing over my money because I was always content with what I ordered. Sure there were items I couldnât afford, but I didnât get angry at Tim for advertising and hyping them, or at other forum members who were able to buy and use them.
I never made a big deal out of this, but last March I appeared in a Natty BBing mag, where they turned some comments I made into an endorsement of another supplement companyâs products. While they did give me a nice package of their product line, I actually returned the items I received to the local GNC instead of using them. Why? Because I prefer to spend my money on products that I have faith in. Will everything work for everyone? Of course not, but there are companies that earn your trust, and companies that insult your intelligence.
Sure, I realize that some people are envious, jealous, even angry that Tim and Christian chose a couple of others and myself to get our feedback, but I like to believe that itâs because they realize that weâve all been pretty up front with our feelings instead of just kissing ass hoping everyone in cyberspace loves us. Itâs also not like Tim and CT call me on the phone every week. I promised to give my thoughts and feedback, and so Iâll fire off an email to Tim when I have some thoughts, everything else is wide open on these threads. Seriously, after presenting my own trials and tribulations with training and diet like an open book on here for so many years, I resent your statement that Iâm no longer credible.
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Well any results you may see from the new ANACONDA protocol Iâm going to discredit and attribute to the anabolism of the pop-tarts you eat.
[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
I know Anacondaâs ingredients are effective in promoting anabolism, its just overpriced⊠(for a college student like myself)[/quote]
Not really⊠not if you use ALL the ingredients, in the quantity used and of the highest quality. I have personally seen the numbers, and they are honestly selling this with a minimal margin of profit, just so that more people can actually try it. If they were to respect the ânormalâ profit margin of a supps company the price would have been drastically higher.
Iâm not saying that it is not expensive, just that it is at the lowest price it could be considering the ingredients.
[quote]cobrakai wrote:
Who said I donât like the site or company? Iâm a huge Denver Broncos fan but that doesnât mean I donât get pissed at the coach or team for playing crappy. I mean we just had a 4 game losing streak but Iâm still and always will be a fan.
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Maybe it was when you said that Biotestâs plans make no sense.
Or where you said that they donât substantiate their products.
Or⊠where you compared Biotest to Oprah promoting Hitlerâs autobiography.
Also, youâre quite incompetent if you thought that anyone would agree with your views. Not because of what the views are, but because of how you word them. You fail at the internet.
[quote]cobrakai wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
cobrakai wrote:
Hyena wrote:
haha nice one chimera. owned cobraâŠowned.
where the hell was I âownedâ?
Youâve asked enough questions.
Where is that training and supp use summary that I requested?
I reserve the right to ignore a man who wears Birkenstocks and shaves his head. But thank you for asking.[/quote]
Oh, O.K.
I just figured you were ignoring that because you havenât ever purchased any thing from this company, and therefore have no basis from which to judge their products or make a purchasing decision.
But since the level 0 is sitting right there for all to see, I guess it was just over making a point that is already quite obvious.
As for the sandals and shaved head- Youâd be surprised at how effective not being a big fucking pussy is for attracting women, no matter what you are wearing. Yet another point that is obvious to everybody but you.
[quote]cobrakai wrote:
elusive wrote:
You donât HAVE to believe the claims or that the supplement will help you. You donât HAVE to buy the product. Who cares? It seems that youâre not going to be a customer, youâve made up your mind. Thats fine. Big deal. Iâm sure your life will be fine without Anaconda. If it bothers you, ignore it.
You donât get it. If theyâd done their homework/research before releasing the product all the people wouldnât be stating âIâll wait to see how it works on othersâ and so on. Iâm not saying I wonât buy it down the line. The price doesnât scare me off. I just think itâs stupid marketing to not have anything to back up your claims. Not understanding how this is so hard to comprehend.
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You have to understand that, by its nature, Biotestâs marketing is micro-marketing. Itâs not stupid marketing (altough itâs might not be their best shot, Iâll give you that)âŠitâs a combo of word-of-mouth and infectious marketing, and itâs where they excel in my opinion.
Like others have posted, whatâs in ANACONDA and MAG-10 worksâŠthereâs plenty of data to back it up if you take the time to look it upâŠSo I doubt that any testimonials would change things much, because when there is testimonials, people automatically assume financial ties.
Would the marketing have been better if there hadnât been that much waiting around, I think so (september was a better timing in mu opinion), I think theyâre 2 months late in surfing the buzz they created last springâŠbut iâm no marketing academics, so time and anaconda sales will tell.
People rarely buy products, they buy itâs packaging. if you like the way ANACONDA and itâs associated products have been presented to you, buy it. If not, donât.