Well…
I can only eat 3 times a day (and maybe protein powder.) I work out at night, which is nowhere near a mealtime, so that whole peri-workout business is not going to happen. I can have protein powder post-workout if you think that’s important, and trade that for calories earlier in the day (a scoop is only 145 or something.)
Also, I’ve gotten into the habit of lower carbs and higher fat than your plan, and I like that better. I have less in the way of ups and downs hunger-wise, and honestly I enjoy my food more if there’s fat in it. But if I’m dead wrong, then I can suck it up and change my habits.
Also, no, I can’t measure my food, I can’t buy tons of supplements, I usually can’t get exotic whole grains.
According to what you sent me, I should be eating 1510 calories a day; I’ll aim for that.
So, probably not as serious as some of your clients, in answer to your question, but it’s not like I’ll be eating junk right and left and be satisfied with no results.
Just eat a shit ton of spinach with every meal except breakfast and do big but boring after every workout. esp squats and dead lifts. I was down to 124lbs with NO cardio just from this, but I didn’t think I was eating enough in general so I upped the cals.
Anyway, why only 3x per day? I just can’t exist on 3 meals a day. I have to squeak some fruit or cottage cheese or something to keep that furnace burning.
Also, don’t count your post-workout protein cals against you! They’re free! And important!
So I experimented with low bar squats. SO GOOD!!!
Not only am I stronger this way, it feels so much more natural to keep my back tight and my knees out. I’ve never felt this fluid. This is incredible.
Boring but Big is an option for the accessory stuff on 5/3/1…
ya, the diet I did was hard, but not impossible!
I was just trying to say that,cutting(dieting) is a stress to the body, and when you throw heavy training and tons of cardio in, it can sometimes backfire…
But your not trying to lose a bunch of fat here, so why are we even talking bout this?
Boring but big is when you do 5 sets of 10 reps @50-55% of your 1RM. When I do them, I try to rest for as little time as I can between sets. They’re more designed for hypertrophy than fat loss, but dong that many dead lifts in general will burn decent calories. When I started implementing them, I noticed lot of improvements in how I respond to high reps sets. Great job on the DL PR!
that sounds good; I think I’ll do BBB on the new program.
today was a “just for fun” mostly upper body day. Because you can’t PR on squats and deadlifts two days in a row.
front squats: 10@45, 10@65, 10@75, 6@85, 5@95, 5@110
close grip bench (first time doing these)
10@45, 10@65, 10@75,
bench: 10@45, 10@65, 5@85, 5@95, 3@105, 2@110
db row: 10@40, 10@45, 10@50 (each arm)
tried to keep strict form here.
wide grip lat pulldowns: 10@60, 10@70, 10@80, 10@90, 6@100, 4@110
3x15 upside down ab thing (I don’t know if this has a name; I get my body up in the air like the top part of a dragon flag and lower my legs back behind my head. Can’t do an actual dragon flag though.)
Because you can’t PR on squats and deadlifts 2 days in a row. haha I love it. I have an addendum. You can’t PR on squats and deadlifts two days in a row, with integrity.
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Well…
I can only eat 3 times a day (and maybe protein powder.) I work out at night, which is nowhere near a mealtime, so that whole peri-workout business is not going to happen. I can have protein powder post-workout if you think that’s important, and trade that for calories earlier in the day (a scoop is only 145 or something.)
Also, I’ve gotten into the habit of lower carbs and higher fat than your plan, and I like that better. I have less in the way of ups and downs hunger-wise, and honestly I enjoy my food more if there’s fat in it. But if I’m dead wrong, then I can suck it up and change my habits.
Also, no, I can’t measure my food, I can’t buy tons of supplements, I usually can’t get exotic whole grains.
According to what you sent me, I should be eating 1510 calories a day; I’ll aim for that.
So, probably not as serious as some of your clients, in answer to your question, but it’s not like I’ll be eating junk right and left and be satisfied with no results.
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Alisa!
Why on earth are you dieting/cutting when you SAY you want performance and you don’t want to do this for looks? It doesn’t make any sense at all. At the risk of getting flamed I have to say honestly I am starting to think you have an eating disorder because your eating habits are irrational.
If you were new to the forum and didn’t have pages and pages of people telling you to eat more I’d just chalk it up to be new and not knowing any better yet.
I don’t mean to be harsh but your log entries recently are worrying.
I am sane though. You’ll have to believe me on this.
Vain, maybe, but sane.
To be more specific: I could eat more, sure. I don’t mind eating, Lord knows.
Yeah, there’s a lot of vanity in me. I sometimes deny it, but it isn’t going away any time soon. Dammit, people treat pretty people well! That’s where the diet business comes from. It’s just wanting to be hot. Ridiculous as that is, it’s not an eating disorder. I’ve known people who were messed up that way and for them it had nothing to do with vanity.
I plead guilty to being a fool who wants to be pretty. I KNOW I am not the only one in PW who thinks about it.
Well you don’t need me to say I see nothing at all wrong with training for looks and if that’s what you want then you should go for it. BUT under eating won’t make you stronger or grow your muscles so it’s not going to help with any goal! If you build muscle you will get stronger AND you will look good.
You’re not a pain! But you must be hungry
I get this vibe from this forum at times there is something shameful about (women) wanting to look good but I think that’s misplaced. Whether you are going for performance or looks both require hard work and a solid understanding of diet and nutrition. But be honest with yourself about your goals and you won’t waste time battling between fat loss and gaining strength.
Hey Alisa, you are def not alone. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t vain. I mean, I think I had commented here that I was even considering training for aesthetics (i.e get that V taper) because I had been feeling a little boyish, having put on some muscle and lost my boobies.
Not to turn this into my therapy session, but as someone who has just started training its been a real transition for me going from being typically girlie to a woman of strength, and having to negotiate between these two ideals.
Anyways, it doesn’t sound like you’re dealing with the same hurdle as I am. But if it helps, you’re not alone.
At any rate, 1200cals is low. If you weren’t expending any calories through exercise I think I would just scoff and think you’re eating below maintenance and that’s fine. But like Debra says, because you are lifting, you certainly do need more calories, if only because your body requires it. “A solid understanding of diet and nutrition” would probably help both of us a ton!
Well, I’m not going crazy low with calories any more. That happens most often because I tally everything at the end of the day and sometimes I find out “Wow, I didn’t actually eat that much.” But no, I get it, too low is silly.
no, fitday.com. Visual guesstimate, really. It’s not precise, I know, but before last year I had no idea at all what I ate, what was in different foods, nothing. So a calculator was better than “oh, I dunno.”
