Hey guys, new to this so bear with me here, i’ve got a client who is looking to pack on some serious muscle mass, i’ve got him to up his calorie intake, eating high protein foods, moderate carb intake, and the major mass building exercises, bench press, squat, deadlift, but after 6 months of training he’s not getting bigger. Hes strength has increased loads, his squat gone 90kg to 140kg, but as I said…hes not getting relativly bigger.
Any advice on how to change this would be much appreciated i’m at a loss here
i dont get how anyone can do that without getting bigger. i personally dont even care all that much for getting bigger yet my quads have already become quite big
I no what you mean i’ve never known this to happen before, ill try and up his food intake some more, thanks lordstorm88…and apologies for the wrong forum, wasn’t sure what to put it.
How many time per day does your client eat. How much protein fat and carbs? What kind of foods is he eating? What kind of job does he have? Is he doing cardio?
At the moment he is weighing at 78KG, I am demanding that his protein intake is 2g per KG of body weight so his intake for protein is 156g a day, meals only…his carb intake I will be honest, I am not monitoring as closely, I have him eating, Rice, Potatoes, Pasta, all the clean carbs, He was doing cardio until recently as he was swimming for a club, but he has stopped that.
My views on him gaining strength but not size… I too had that same problem for a while but I started to take supplements and since then I have packed on size, I do have him taking Creatine Capsules daily, 3 before training and 2 afterwards. I’m hoping that that will begin to make a difference?
[quote]premium.fitness wrote:
At the moment he is weighing at 78KG, I am demanding that his protein intake is 2g per KG of body weight so his intake for protein is 156g a day, meals only…his carb intake I will be honest, I am not monitoring as closely, I have him eating, Rice, Potatoes, Pasta, all the clean carbs, He was doing cardio until recently as he was swimming for a club, but he has stopped that.
My views on him gaining strength but not size… I too had that same problem for a while but I started to take supplements and since then I have packed on size, I do have him taking Creatine Capsules daily, 3 before training and 2 afterwards. I’m hoping that that will begin to make a difference?
I’m not a nutritionist so how does this sound?[/quote]
Sounds like poorly defined goals and competing objectives.
If he was swimming for a club, what was his goal with training? Honestly, if his strength increased while his weight remained the same, you have been successful with him.
Now that he has stopped, is his goal to get bigger? It’s going to happen now if he continues to eat the way he has been simply by cutting out the swimming.
[quote]premium.fitness wrote:
Hey guys, new to this so bear with me here, i’ve got a client who is looking to pack on some serious muscle mass, i’ve got him to up his calorie intake, eating high protein foods, moderate carb intake, and the major mass building exercises, bench press, squat, deadlift, but after 6 months of training he’s not getting bigger. Hes strength has increased loads, his squat gone 90kg to 140kg, but as I said…hes not getting relativly bigger.
Any advice on how to change this would be much appreciated i’m at a loss here
Many thanks and keep lifting.[/quote]
Why Moderate carbs? Any other activities going on? What is his caloric requirements and what have you got him eating? Is he actually eating what you tell him? Is he eating fats? Why cant you solve this yourself if you are claiming to be advaced enough to charge a fee?
[quote]Joe Joseph wrote:
premium.fitness wrote:
Hey guys, new to this so bear with me here, i’ve got a client who is looking to pack on some serious muscle mass, i’ve got him to up his calorie intake, eating high protein foods, moderate carb intake, and the major mass building exercises, bench press, squat, deadlift, but after 6 months of training he’s not getting bigger. Hes strength has increased loads, his squat gone 90kg to 140kg, but as I said…hes not getting relativly bigger.
Any advice on how to change this would be much appreciated i’m at a loss here
Many thanks and keep lifting.
Why Moderate carbs? Any other activities going on? What is his caloric requirements and what have you got him eating? Is he actually eating what you tell him? Is he eating fats? Why cant you solve this yourself if you are claiming to be advaced enough to charge a fee?
Joe[/quote]
easy now. Trainers while they should be well versed in anatomy/physiology, certifications don’t really cover nutrition much.
That being said, I think that any successful trainer should either have someone they can refer clients to for nutritional purposes, or be well educated on it themselves, while staying within their scope of practice.
I think the worst part about being a PT is you ultimately cannot control what they do outside of the time you spend in the gym with them.
that said, eat more.
if he’s looking to pack on some serious muscle mass, he needs to be drinking a gallon of milk a day, lbs of ground beef, pasta, bread, broccoli, fish oil, everything.
When I took my PT course it was pretty much made clear that we were NOT dieticians and that it was really out of our scope to give clients nutritional plans and recommend supplements. Of course, it seems crazy to those of us who train and diet as our lifestyle, but obviously you need to educate yourself more about nutrition before you give him anymore advice about what he should be doing.
If you give him the wrong info and he is unable to meet his goals because of your advice, you’re going to wind up losing a client and maybe your reputation.
i agree with Joe and why limiting his carbs at this point. pack on the cals and this point. if he doesnt want to put on extra BF, the it probably will take alot longer to put on size in my opinion. why not supp with BCAA, Fish caps, Surge and a whey product.
This guy is advising on diet though. And trained in nutrition or not, he doesnt know what he is doing diet wise (i am not judging his fitness training abilities).
I personally believe if i am to charge anyone for a service, i need to be a professional in every way in providing that service. Including legally qualified, insured, educated and experienced. Even if practicing training as in the early days, i would do those sessions for free.
I am a qualified nutritional advisor - this is the most basic level i believe, but it means i can advise basic stuff like macronutrients to a healthy adult for basic weight management, not micro nutrients, or diabetic individuals for example.
This trainer is charging this client for a full service including nutritional advice that he is neither qualified (i hope) or competent enough to give. That is where i disagree…
Like one poster said, he should either refer that part, or just admit “i am neither qualified nor insured to provide nutritional advice, sorry”
It is a matter of liability AND morality.
Recently IRL i met a PT who i had to TOTALLY re-assess his own form while benching and deadlifting (I mean totally, benching to neck thinking the armpit needed to be at 90 degrees, and deadlifting with the bar as ar away from the body as possible!!! seriously! He read the techniques ijn books over the past 10 years! can you believe that!?).
I am not TRYING to be an arsehole (i just am ;)) It is just this shit really pisses me off, when s many of us do the best possible job for our name and the name of PT in general. People give themselves a bad name often that client will be once bitten twice shy with the PT… word of mouth is a powerful thing.
[quote]nidu22 wrote:
When I took my PT course it was pretty much made clear that we were NOT dieticians and that it was really out of our scope to give clients nutritional plans and recommend supplements. Of course, it seems crazy to those of us who train and diet as our lifestyle, but obviously you need to educate yourself more about nutrition before you give him anymore advice about what he should be doing.
If you give him the wrong info and he is unable to meet his goals because of your advice, you’re going to wind up losing a client and maybe your reputation.
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I agree, but for insurance purposes he should shut his mouth i reckon (to be very very blunt). My qualification covered sports and general nutrition… obviously it is basic stuff, but that piece of paper stands up in a court when that client gets fat and tries to sue… lmao!
The client not reaching his goals is the least that could happen, what if he decides to sue because he has given nutritional advice to achieve a goal and because the trainer isnt qualified, that goal wasnt achieved and the client PAID MONEY OR A SERVICE THAT THE TRAINER WASNT CAPABLE OF GIVNG!.. that shit happens!
having been in the business, i hear what you are saying. yes your insurance coverage covers things associated with your PT certification, not nutritional advice. you gotta be carefull and cover yourself. you want to provide a good service to your current clientelle to increase your business not at the cost of legal troubles. upgrade your certifications and increase you knowledge of training.